Panasonic LED v/s Epson TW 8100

[prosenjit]

well i am also with the same opinion as Mr sanjay the tv picture looks bad..pj looks just fine
dont worry
but some more light would be super nice
are you sure you got a new bulb..you can call epson again to give you a demo with another bulb

on another note..if you want the same "light" as a tv..BIg TV on wall effect...you must try a hi gain like over 2.3 gain...from da lite..DA LITE HI POWER/DA LITE HI POWER HI CONTRAST..
but that TYPE OF HI GAIN screen also have problem of
1.screen mid point and pj mid point must match..H and V way both
2.less field of view(not a problem for single viewer)..colour shifts if viewer is not at screen mid point just like lcd panel tvs

and yes i always suggest everyone..it is much better to use a simple wall than entry/mid priced screens..

contact member soamz,he has a video uploaeded in somewhere..8100 performing on a wall..i forgot the link of the upload

and lastly thank you very much for an honest share of your gear performance...which maximum persons from international forums.. hide..and claim super performance

 

[prosenjit]

Honestly? It's the TV picture that looks like crap. Either way, I am sorry my friend, but comparing a direct view TV, that too a LED back-lit TV with a front projector and a 20" picture with a 120" picture, is pointless if not just plain silly. No decent Home Theater projector will produce the kind of brightness that a direct view TV can and that is not necessarily bad for the projector actually.

ekdum sahi baat...verry true..why we crave for pjs..to get the smooth stuff our eyes love..in theaters..
so why compare with a incandescant bulb(read TV) on wall which will give you headeach in just 10 minutes..
just enjoying the pj is a better option

 

[rbalagopalan]

In fact I have a panny AR100 PJ as against Samsung 6 series LCD. The performance of PJ is great for its given size and when it comes to 8100 Epson the actual ANSI is more than AR100 though both being a living room pj. IMO your pj's picture seemed to be better than your TV.

When it comes to my pj even if one 40W tube light is ON against the screen I will not find any major colour washout. I am using Dalite cosmopolitan screen with 90" projection. BTW what is the HDMI cable are you using? cause this can make a sea of difference as it is run for longer distance.

R. Balagopalan.

 

[theironhorse]

the projector might be lesser bright however the colours are soothing and gives that cinema experience..

that TV looks overbright. am sure you cant watch tv like that without straining your eyes. the picture of hawa mahal and streets looks natural on the projector bro.. the tv is bright to a level to badging it harsh.

i agree the comparo is not practical but both have their strong points and also try projecting from 10 feet and see. the brightness will increase but the screen size reduces too.

 

[ankitbhargava]

well i am also with the same opinion as Mr sanjay the tv picture looks bad..pj looks just fine
dont worry
but some more light would be super nice
are you sure you got a new bulb..you can call epson again to give you a demo with another bulb

Tried playing some very basic setting, kept on Normal power consumption instead of Eco and chose Dynamic color mode I can see improvement.

Did not ask Epson to demo with another bulb, the technician informed me that this is just 2nd installation of this Model in my Town. Fortunately other one is on my friend's place. I shall go and check his next sunday

on another note..if you want the same "light" as a tv..BIg TV on wall effect...you must try a hi gain like over 2.3 gain...from da lite..DA LITE HI POWER/DA LITE HI POWER HI CONTRAST..
but that TYPE OF HI GAIN screen also have problem of
1.screen mid point and pj mid point must match..H and V way both
2.less field of view(not a problem for single viewer)..colour shifts if viewer is not at screen mid point just like lcd panel tvs

I have centered to H but not V, its positioned to almost top of screen vertically :sad: , would using vertical lens shift make a big difference in clarity/sharpness?

and yes i always suggest everyone..it is much better to use a simple wall than entry/mid priced screens..

contact member soamz,he has a video uploaeded in somewhere..8100 performing on a wall..i forgot the link of the upload

Shall look for that

and lastly thank you very much for an honest share of your gear performance...which maximum persons from international forums.. hide..and claim super performance

Thanks I have been unhappy with my HT setup also since day one and have been finding ways to improve performance. Over an year now and I am much happier the sound quality I have been finally able to get ... thanks to FMs here.

 

[ankitbhargava]

In fact I have a panny AR100 PJ as against Samsung 6 series LCD. The performance of PJ is great for its given size and when it comes to 8100 Epson the actual ANSI is more than AR100 though both being a living room pj. IMO your pj's picture seemed to be better than your TV.

When it comes to my pj even if one 40W tube light is ON against the screen I will not find any major colour washout. I am using Dalite cosmopolitan screen with 90" projection. BTW what is the HDMI cable are you using? cause this can make a sea of difference as it is run for longer distance.

R. Balagopalan.

I am using HDMI from CablesEtc (Anil from Delhi), I have used his cables aerlier also and was quiet satisfactory.

There has been a war between opinion of HDMI cables could be high/low quality or not but I picked up this branded one, its 10 meters long.

 

[ankitbhargava]

the projector might be lesser bright however the colours are soothing and gives that cinema experience..

that TV looks overbright. am sure you cant watch tv like that without straining your eyes. the picture of hawa mahal and streets looks natural on the projector bro.. the tv is bright to a level to badging it harsh.

i agree the comparo is not practical but both have their strong points and also try projecting from 10 feet and see. the brightness will increase but the screen size reduces too.

Yes colors are soothing indeed however I am finding contract to be more disappointing and changing it is not able to produce the PQ I had imagined.

Yes probably on next holiday I will take off the Projector from mount and do some testing with projection distance

 

[manoj.p]

The big difference you are seeing in the PJ vs TV is that TV is set to high contrast and incorrect color temp. You need to set both to 6500 deg kelvin temp, set the gamma to 2.2.

Then grab the AVS Calibration disc from avsforum and do the basic brightness and contrast calibration for both. It would get then real close. It would not match it completely though unless you do color + greyscale calibration. Also, the picture on the TV will look more sharper because the image is much smaller. You can do a simple test, where try to make the picture of PJ same size as the tv.

Anyway, in the above pictures, TV looks washed out. PJ although less brighter, is looking soothing and shows all the details.

 

[ankitbhargava]

So here are moments to cheer and to ponder

Image 1 : I was happy to see vibrant colors, natural skin tone, sharpness

Image 2 : See the pink color "bleeding" near text? is this something to look into?

 

[ankitbhargava]

The big difference you are seeing in the PJ vs TV is that TV is set to high contrast and incorrect color temp. You need to set both to 6500 deg kelvin temp, set the gamma to 2.2.

Then grab the AVS Calibration disc from avsforum and do the basic brightness and contrast calibration for both. It would get then real close. It would not match it completely though unless you do color + greyscale calibration. Also, the picture on the TV will look more sharper because the image is much smaller. You can do a simple test, where try to make the picture of PJ same size as the tv.

Anyway, in the above pictures, TV looks washed out. PJ although less brighter, is looking soothing and shows all the details.

Thanks

Had been trying to grab the disc from avsforum but unable to locate correct URL.

For "how to use" is this the right thread?
http://www.highdefforum.com/hdtv-calibration/109385-how-do-i-use-dve-disc.html

 

[manoj.p]

This is the correct link -
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

As far as the color bleeding, its called LCD panel conversion. Your projector has 3 panels, each for Red, Green and blue. There is no way to match the 3 panels perfectly. Epson has a secret menu to access LCD alignment. You can google it and find the instructions. Its a nice tool to have and dial the convergence. By the way, what you are seeing is normal convergence. You should check out some of the pics of convergence on brand new machines at avsforum.

 

[ankitbhargava]

This is the correct link -
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

As far as the color bleeding, its called LCD panel conversion. Your projector has 3 panels, each for Red, Green and blue. There is no way to match the 3 panels perfectly. Epson has a secret menu to access LCD alignment. You can google it and find the instructions. Its a nice tool to have and dial the convergence. By the way, what you are seeing is normal convergence. You should check out some of the pics of convergence on brand new machines at avsforum.

Had been reading about this convergence issue but got scared going deep as I did not want to get more upset and confused hyeah:

Thanks for the URL,
I shall try out and report back here

 

[prosenjit]

dont worry about H and V mid point match
it is needed for hi gain screens
you are perfect now with the present screen

 

[Naturelover]

This is an album of pics of 8100 projecting on a wall.

 

[Naturelover]

I wonder if it is right to do such a comparison especially when projecting on a wall.
I have just done a comparison of the TW8100 projecting on a DaLite screen vs a Panasonic E6D. I have felt that such a comparison is intrinsically flawed. Now, if the pj quality is flawed on its own then there is definite cause for worry and remedy.
Follow my pics below taken with video on pause. These are:
1 Projector image
2 LED TV image
3 Both together with camera sensor in the middle
4 Both together with camera sensor on pj image
5 Both together with camera sensor on TV image
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gzhuf4ophfhn6c0/RprxKeQMA8
The pj image on its own looks vibrant but quite dull compared to the TV.
This setup was where the screen drops in front of the TV.
The pj and the TV are brand new while the screen is about 8 years old.

 

[ankitbhargava]

I wonder if it is right to do such a comparison especially when projecting on a wall.
I have just done a comparison of the TW8100 projecting on a DaLite screen vs a Panasonic E6D. I have felt that such a comparison is intrinsically flawed. Now, if the pj quality is flawed on its own then there is definite cause for worry and remedy.
Follow my pics below taken with video on pause. These are:
1 Projector image
2 LED TV image
3 Both together with camera sensor in the middle
4 Both together with camera sensor on pj image
5 Both together with camera sensor on TV image
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gzhuf4ophfhn6c0/RprxKeQMA8
The pj image on its own looks vibrant but quite dull compared to the TV.
This setup was where the screen drops in front of the TV.
The pj and the TV are brand new while the screen is about 8 years old.

Thanks for so much of effort, its pretty visible that PJ itself is great enough but put to comparison with LED things look different and subjective to choice.

I should audition more setups to be discerning

 

[prosenjit]

try to blackout your room.that will increase performance.

 

[ankitbhargava]

try to blackout your room.that will increase performance.

I generally watch Movies only after 9 PM and by then its already black out as far as external light is concerned. In the Room I do not turn on any other light, its just the light of PJ itself which brightens the Room and some reflection from floor.

Anything else recommended considering its not a dedicated HT Room but my Bed Room (already a mess for my wife hyeah: )

 

[prosenjit]

(already a mess for my wife hyeah: )

long live HT brotherhood...:beer:

 

[rajadeep]

This is an album of pics of 8100 projecting on a wall.

Srry for my late reply. Just wanted to make a small correction in ur statement. Those pics are of the a Epson 8500UB(US model number).Its india model number was TW4400 or TW4500. Something is wrong with ur projector coz my projector(8500UB) is a 1600 Lumens projector while urs is a 2400 lumens one... Mine even after 1000 hours+ of usage burns my eyes if I watch in dynamic mode in darkness. I project a 180inch image so in a 120inch image like urs plus with a 2400 lumens projector ur image should be much much much brighter. You have to file a complaint with epson regarding this issue.