Rethm/Acoustic Portrait Setup Audition

Rethm will be much more demanding on your system. AP is a lot more forgiving. So you need to keep that in mind when deciding.

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Rethm is more suited to an advanced audio enthusiast.

AP is much more approachable in terms of cost and design.
The gear is far less demanding but delivers great sound for the money.
Excellent for someone looking for a taste of good sound quality

It's commendable that you are looking to buy something local.
Great brands in terms of what they offer.
 
Rethm is more suited to an advanced audio enthusiast.
And quite out of reach too. I hope to get a lottery like 75K sale of Maargas from a Mumbai FM.

It's commendable that you are looking to buy something local.
Great brands in terms of what they offer.

I have this thought that money that I pay would serve better purpose as profits than as import duties. I am all for indigenous products as long as there is quality.
 
Arunkvivek, those Maargas which came up for sale was a compromised design. Also I believe there were some issues with the speaker. Which is why it was offered at such a low price.
 
Arunkvivek, those Maargas which came up for sale was a compromised design. Also I believe there were some issues with the speaker. Which is why it was offered at such a low price.

Then I have to pray for real lottery now :lol:
 
I am all for indigenous products as long as there is quality.

Arun if the above is true then I strongly suggest you give shout to the DIY guru in Bangalore who made phenomenal speakers. Not sure of any commercial offerings or such,Neither Am I promoting it.

But for the highest quality stuff made locally No one can beat him (with everything made via DIY route in Bangalore,Not some imported branded drivers put in boxes and presented as Indian).

Here's his latest project : http://www.hifivision.com/diy/62974-arrival-sonatmagnas-mirum.html

PM me for the contact details.
 
audition stuff - ONLY - which you can buy.

dont audition and fall into a trap - if its out of budget.

Else the endless loop of upgrade and purchase starts.

Draw the lines well and firm.

specify the budget here and maybe FM's can suggest options.
 
audition stuff - ONLY - which you can buy.

dont audition and fall into a trap - if its out of budget.

Else the endless loop of upgrade and purchase starts.

Draw the lines well and firm.

specify the budget here and maybe FM's can suggest options.

You have raised a very pertinent point. The budgets are always approved by WAF. One of my family members alway accompany when I audition. I trust them to drive sanity into me even if I go overboard.
The reason that I haven't quoted a budget here is that I do not have anything in mind. I am going evaluate all the three options mentioned earlier and make a table of options and cost. Gonna be a slow process!
 
Lyrita tube amp and horn speakers can also probably be added to the audition. It's reasonably priced, sounds nice and will give u a different flavour from AP and Rethm
 
Lyrita tube amp and horn speakers can also probably be added to the audition. It's reasonably priced, sounds nice and will give u a different flavour from AP and Rethm

Lyrita is in radar as well. I am likely to visit Delhi in a couple of months. So, I shall fix up appointment once the plan is finalized.
 
arun,
Music systems can be put together in a hodge-podge way or the ecosystem way.
The path you are exploring is ecosystem way. Good to hear you are laying groundwork judiciously.
Keep monetary and space budgets in mind and explore to hearts content.
Then have wife/mother-in-law/uncle's CA vet the costs :D

Cheers,
Raghu
 
I had been to Siva place today. Lovely experience. There was a power cut when I reached and so I had to wait. There was one other gentleman who busy in conversation with Siva. As he signed off, he introduced himself as Venu. It was a pleasant surprise. I am mentioned that I knew him from the forum and he was equally surprised.
We talked about GST, Import duties etc for some more time before Venu left.

The power came back and we started with the audition. I was very to see that his room was mostly untreated but for a diffuser or something like that on the front wall. I made a note of the room's geometry. It was pretty square and the speakers had a lot of breathing space. Mr.Siva had pulled up an integrated amp (solid state) right from factory line for a demo and so it had not broken in. He also opened up the casing and showed me the power supply for each of the section (not that I understood what it meant).

We started with Ilayaraja's nammura mandara hoove CD. The music was wonderful. Vocal Imaging was bang at the center and separation was brilliant. The bass was tight but not boomy. I told Siva about the magic that was being created which was missing at my place. Siva mentioned that it could be because of a lot of things starting from transport, to DAC, to AMP, to speakers and to the room as well. I wouldn't blame my AVR completely as I get some magic while playing vinyl. I made a mental note that the el-cheapo dvd player should no longer be a transport even though I just use the digital out from the player. So, one more item in the shopping list.

After listening to a couple of more tracks, we switched over to digital files. Aruna Sairam's Kalinga Narthanam has become my reference file in the recent times. AP's DAC and integrated amp brought the song to life. I had heard it last in NAD C375BEE + Tannoy Revolution combination. AP's performance matched the output in terms of detail and texture. Only difference I can recall is that Tannoy's output was least a couple of feet closer to me than AP. I would give the benefit of the doubt to AP as the amp was brand new. AP's system revealed Arun Sairam taking breath to leap over one of the difficult segments of the Thillana.

Overall thought I had was that AP's DAC and Amp were really good but it wasn't a giant leap from what I have. After that Siva played Hindustani recording made at his place. That's where the system revealed what it was capable of. The huskiness of the voice, beauty of harmonium reeds were so appealing. I am never a big fan of harmonium music as I usually find them too jarring. I realised that with good content, the DAC and AMP would take us to a different world. Now, please do not ask me about bit rate, format, etc of the content nor the sampling capability of the DAC. I am an accountant and all that I can record is my subjective experience.

One more song was played. It was a recording made in open air in a school function. A young girl was rendering a Hindustani piece. The innocence of the voice and amateurness of the pakhawaj was evident.

One common point with all these listening was that I had a doubt about how much his speakers were contributing to the experience. I requested Siva if I could bring my bookshelves next time around to see if the magic conjured by his DAC + Integrated Amp would have the same impact even without his wonderful speakers. Mr.Siva and his wife Mrs.Jaya were great hosts. It was an afternoon well spent.

Next in line, I would like to fix up an appointment with soundsgreat and explore his creations.

P.S: Sorry guys, no pics this time as I was too much in awe. I shall request him and click a few the next time.

P.P.S: An afterthought after starting the P.S as "Sorry guys" - Is Audiophile community strictly men-only group? should this be a separate thread? :D
 
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Nice write up Arun. Always enjoy your observations during an audition.
What exactly are you missing in your current setup? Is it real or perceived?
Drop in sometime (I remember you stay close by) to hear another setup in another untreated room.
Cheers,
Raghu
 
Nice write up Arun. Always enjoy your observations during an audition.
What exactly are you missing in your current setup? Is it real or perceived?
Drop in sometime (I remember you stay close by) to hear another setup in another untreated room.
Cheers,
Raghu

Dear Raghu,
Thanks for your comments! I am missing two things for real:
The density of detail. The detail coming out of my present system is basically saying: " I am here..but pay attention". The stereo systems I have listened are saying: "I AM HERE. Sit wherever you want, I shall come to your desk".

Imaging: I am getting the stereo separation and the bang in center presence that I have listened in other system.

The reason I am confident that it is not perceived is because, I occasionally listen to music in Philips DH215 (the ones sold with powerhouse series) to reset/cleanse my auditory memory. When I switch back to Elacs or Tannoy, I am able see the difference in the range in frequencies but above two factors are missing.

I am out of town for the next couple of weekends. Would first week of September work for you?
 
Arunkvivek, don't get stuck on things like imaging, staging, details, resolution, etc.

To start with, shortlist systems which are more musical. The ones that connect with your emotion. After that, get into stuff like details, resolution and other hifi attributes and choose one that appeals to you as a complete package.

At the end of the day, music is all about conveying a mood or emotions.
 
Arunkvivek, don't get stuck on things like imaging, staging, details, resolution, etc.

To start with, shortlist systems which are more musical. The ones that connect with your emotion. After that, get into stuff like details, resolution and other hifi attributes and choose one that appeals to you as a complete package.

At the end of the day, music is all about conveying a mood or emotions.

Dear Prem,
I am shuffling all these jargons in an attempt to express what I am missing or what the stereo systems showcase better. Something that I wanted to listen when I started. In a couple of places where I listened to stereo systems before AP, I had the same experience. This is the starting point of my quest.

Before I made any serious investment, I wanted to be sure about what is that I am missing. I also want to be sure if I am consistent about what is lacking.
 
I have taken a pause due to work pressure and have got distracted with few other things. I had spoken to Aurobindo about the AP speakers and he had invited for a listening session. But due to paucity of time, haven't sought an appointment for listening to his system. :o I owe visits to Raghu and Aurobindo's place now. Hopefully, I should do it before September ends.

In the meanwhile, I took time to reflect on my sources which are TT and digital.

With an assumption that DAC of my AVR (1994) being outdated, I bought the Explorer DAC put on sale by mpw. I received it yesterday and the excellent packing ensured safety of the gear :signthankspin:. I got the drivers installed in my dad's laptop (I use a PC) and used it through headphone out into the AVR. The DAC was definitely more revealing. It was a new experience and am sure that I cannot go back to listening music directly from inbuilt sound cards. I did not hear the drum snares in 'Muskaane Jhooti hai' (Talaash) before using the DAC. The bass is tight and focused. The newly heard details caused some fatigue. I guess it would take some time get used to this fidelity. But, I still did not get the vocals bang in the center and the forward imaging like I did in all other auditions. I shall post my experience on optical out tomorrow. I am sure that this exercise would reveal how bad or good the DAC in the AVR is. So, that's digital story.

Next is the TT. The CNC thread got me excited because of the passion demonstrated by FMs. My dad looked through the circuits and volunteered to execute the project (both funding and soldering). He was an electrician before he did his PG and pursued a career of lecturer of Mathematics. Now, after retirement, music is his favourite passtime and he uses the TT the most. He has the confidence to do the phono stage. So, I have requested for the CNC kit which Mr.Sachin has shipped. The bandh tomorrow is going to delay the delivery by a day. I shall be visiting SP road to purchase a few materials. If we don't end up frying the kit, there would be posts on CNC thread in a couple of weeks.


Also, WAF have become a challenge for my dad as their TV time interrupts his music time (they think that it is the other way around :D). So, he has asked for another setup in his bedroom. He also wants a TT so that the TT in the living room is undisturbed, but doesn't have the guts to say so in front of WAF (men will be men!!!). So, a new storm is brewing up at my place.

I think that from here on this thread is going to be a digression from original topic. What I have understood clearly is that I have to optimize all my parts of my chain fixed. DAC has brought an improvement over the existing source quality (and CNC should also being doing so). CD Player is one other thing that is coming into equation as we have a lot of CDs as well. My mind is also thinking about HTPC as a cheaper alternate. Until all the sources are fixed, I am not going to think about the interconnects for now.

Though a digression, I shall continue in this thread on how things progress.....
 
For CDs use a decent cheap DVD player like pioneer or similar and feed its output to your DAC. This will take care of your CDs.
Other option is rip your music to FLAC format or directly play CD from laptop and feed that signal into DAC.
 
For CDs use a decent cheap DVD player like pioneer or similar and feed its output to your DAC. This will take care of your CDs.
Other option is rip your music to FLAC format or directly play CD from laptop and feed that signal into DAC.

I have an Onida DVD player which has DAC out. But, the quality of the sound is bad (too bright). It might be because the AVR's DAC is old or the DVD player isn't good enough.

I also am able hear noticeable difference between FLAC and CD when played from my PC. But, this is the realistic compromise that I might end up making. But, definitely a point in consideration!
 
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