The Roaring Yamahas

[anooj30299301]

I think amol is right.

And yes 663 does not upscale beyond 480p or let me say only upto 480p.

Most other features should be similar to 863 as Venkatji said and not rundown.

On a not 663 is pretty good for music too, when cd or flac files are player.

 

[marsilians]

marsilians,
at least in terms of yamaha,
Upconvert = convert from analog to digital (HDMI)
Upscale = scale from lower resolutions to higher (or from i to p)

Can you point me to where Yamaha states this? Also as I mentioned earlier, marketing guys brought out this term when HD hit the mass market in a big way. Previously the term used for this was progressive scan which would take a 240i or 480i and try to get it 480p

 

[amol12]

Can you point me to where Yamaha states this? Also as I mentioned earlier, marketing guys brought out this term when HD hit the mass market in a big way. Previously the term used for this was progressive scan which would take a 240i or 480i and try to get it 480p

I went through the owners manuals of 663 and 863 and spotted this difference clearly. The 863 Manual has a menu "HDMI resolution" which manages the scaling which is absent in 663.
I too had a lot of confusion as these terms are used synonymously on forums. I googled these terms and did a lot of reading and the above meanings seem more logical. When I went through manuals for 663 and 863 I found them to be correct at least for Yamaha.

 

[venkatcr]

I think there is a lot of confusion in all our minds on the difference between upconversion and upscaling. I have done some research, and given a detailed reply in the following new thread.

http://www.hifivision.com/av-enhancers-room-acoustics/3017-upconversion-vs-upscaling.html#post27238

Bazee, to answer your question - to go to 1080p without a Blu-Ray player, you need an AVR that can scale upto 1080p. Amongst the manufacturers, the following players are the minimum models you must look at for this feature:

Onkyo - 706/705
Denon - 1909 (The 588 does not scale at all)
Yamaha - 863

With regards to Marantz, it is very confusing. The 5003 and the 6003 have i-Chips Technology that can scale all video to 1080p. But no claim to scaling is made in any other model, including higher models. They have what Marantz calls, 'Up-Conversion (w/TBC) to HDMI with 480i/480p Converter.' I am not sure I understand what this does, but it does not look like a scaler.

Choose your weapons carefully !! Make sure they have the correct ammunition (technology) !!

Cheers

 

[prakasse]

Bazee, to answer your question - to go to 1080p without a Blu-Ray player, you need an AVR that can scale upto 1080p. Amongst the manufacturers, the following players are the minimum models you must look at for this feature:

Onkyo - 706/705

Cheers

Hi Venkat,

A small doubt. I am not sure if Onkyo 705 upscales the video to 1080p.

Thanks, Prakash.

 

[venkatcr]

A small doubt. I am not sure if Onkyo 705 upscales the video to 1080p.

You are absolutely correct. The 705 does not scale upto 1080p. It uses a DCDi Deinterlacer, while the 706 uses a DCDi Cinema that does both deinterlacing and scaling.

Silly of me really as I now remember, one our members has the 705, and he said he was surprised it does not scale to 1080p.

Regret the error.

Cheers

 

[roy]

I am using the RX-V563 currently, this is currently not available in India and features only up-conversion to component and hdmi pass through. However I am extremly pleased with the sound for both movies and music, especially at this price point.

 

[amol12]

Bazee, to answer your question - to go to 1080p without a Blu-Ray player, you need an AVR that can scale upto 1080p. Amongst the manufacturers, the following players are the minimum models you must look at for this feature:

Onkyo - 706
Denon - 1909 (The 588 does not scale at all)
Yamaha - 863

Price wise 1909 seems sensible if one can do without extra features offered by others.

 

[bazee]

For a good AVR,
It seems the choice is between :

Onkyo 705/706
Denon 1909/2309(?what's the difference)
Yamaha 663


All cost around 40k.

regards

 

[venkatcr]

For a good AVR, It seems the choice is between :

Onkyo 705/706
Denon 1909/2309(?what's the difference)
Yamaha 663

A little correction based on your previous queries and your list above:

If you want a good AVR, your choices are

Denon 1909, 2309, Yamaha 663, and Onkyo 705 or 706.

If you want an good AVR with 1080P upscaling capabilities, your choices are:

Denon 1909, 2309, Onkyo 706, and Yamaha 863.

Denon differences:

Denon 2309
Power - 100W7ch 8ohm 20-20kHz 0.08%
Composite In/Out - 5/2
S-Viedo In/Out - 5/2
Audio In/Out - 9/2
RS-232C - Yes
Trigger out - +12V,150mA1

Denon 1909
Power - 90W7ch 8ohm 20-20kHz 0.08%
Composite In/Out - 4/2
S-Viedo In/Out - 3/2
Audio In/Out - 8/2
RS-232C - No
Trigger out - None


Cheers

 

[bazee]

It seems 2309 does not justify the price raise.

Just to confirm, some say 2309 has PRE out some say it hasnt.

whats the consensus?

 

[prakasse]

It seems 2309 does not justify the price raise.

Just to confirm, some say 2309 has PRE out some say it hasnt.

whats the consensus?

As i told in another thread 2309 has only sub pre out.

Thanks,
Prakash.

 

[prakasse]

A little correction based on your previous queries and your list above:

Denon differences:

Denon 2309
Power - 100W7ch 8ohm 20-20kHz 0.08%
Composite In/Out - 5/2
S-Viedo In/Out - 5/2
Audio In/Out - 9/2
RS-232C - Yes
Trigger out - +12V,150mA1

Denon 1909
Power - 90W7ch 8ohm 20-20kHz 0.08%
Composite In/Out - 4/2
S-Viedo In/Out - 3/2
Audio In/Out - 8/2
RS-232C - No
Trigger out - None


Cheers

Bazee,

one more is that Denon 2309 has audyssey dynamic volume. Further Dolby Digital, dts and DSP Modes use Analog Devices, HammerHead SHARC

No info on 1909.

Have a full comparision in this link.

Denon | Product Comparison Contents

Thanks,
Prakash.