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I frankly would not care about that as i perform very badly under test conditions prefer taking weeks evaluating differencesNow I wonder do we Indians ever done a double blind tests of any of the audiophile gears.....would be interesting.
A double blind tests of not only the experrienced listeners but also of any common consumers.
*Though I won't be surprised of there is none*
Benchmark DACs have always measured great but sounded sterile and the very opposite of EuphonicI have been talking to benchmark team themselves about abh2. I posed the same qn to them and here is their response ...
Qn.Are subjective qualities(soundstage depth and width, separation etc, which do not require polluting the base signal eg for warmth of tube) a direct result of a better measuring amp ?"
Annswer : Not so. The measurements are extremely important. If the measurements that we deem important are outstanding (as the AHB2’s are), these subjective qualities of soundstage depth, width, black background, etc. will be present. This would be transparent to the music file. Gear that doesn’t necessarily measure well can give a false sense of spaciousness that isn’t transparent to the original file. I hope that helps some.
I agree, I bought a benchmark dac1 in 2007 (mainly based on stereophile's glowing objective measurement review) but could never warm to it - pun intended. It was the most sterile/cold/lifeless digital component I had heard. Since then whatever is written about benchmark (or any other studio equipment manufacturer, including cables), I do not decide till I hear it (and probably the reason why most studio equipment manufacturers who make domestic equipment have 2 separate model lineups - like ATC domestic/professional).Benchmark DACs have always measured great but sounded sterile and the very opposite of Euphonic
There is (yet) another subjective element called "bragging rights" so no self respecting audiophile will ever be caught using random wires.Usual suspects are 200 $ dacs, random electric wire etc.
People trained or experienced can perform much better in blind tests conducted to identify whether there are differences in A, B, and X. There is yet another subjective element in this - namely, human aural acuity varies wildly. In other words, some people are innately better than others at making out differences between two sounds. For example, many people cannot identify a phase reversal while for some others it stands out like a sore thumb.If double blind test is the only validation criteria, experienced audiophiles or sound engineers should not prefer the results of option 1 consistently. But they almost always do.
W.R.T cables, there are camps in the sound engineering community. Some do, some don't. But the preferences for recording gear of various types and amplifiers irrespective of measurements etc.. are legendary in this field. Only thing is that they are finicky about the engineering bit too because they know quite a bit of it themselves.Is that a fact, that sound engineering community belives that cables ( assume matching impedance etc) makes a big difference ?
So it is the difference between "Eat to live" vs "Live to eat"There is (yet) another subjective element called "bragging rights" so no self respecting audiophile will ever be caught using random wires.
People trained or experienced can perform much better in blind tests conducted to identify whether there are differences in A, B, and X. There is yet another subjective element in this - namely, human aural acuity varies wildly. In other words, some people are innately better than others at making out differences between two sounds. For example, many people cannot identify a phase reversal while for some others it stands out like a sore thumb.
Here's a great TEDTalk highly recommended for folks who believe and treat the world as purely mechanistic, ignoring the emotional and subjective aspects of human senses.
... Oh ... Hmmm ...i wish i could hear what that sounded like too ...this is the most frustrating thing about this hobby imo ...at least for folks in India ...until some poor sod buys it we dont get to audition anything at all.I agree, I bought a benchmark dac1 in 2007 (mainly based on stereophile's glowing objective measurement review) but could never warm to it - pun intended. It was the most sterile/cold/lifeless digital component I had heard.
What i audibly experienced beyond attaining the sound that I liked without further change of gears/cables did not in anyway throw off the balance.The challenge is to get the balance right. All frequencies should sound balanced. For example, by cleaning the power supply, certain frequencies may open up but the balance can go. How to get the balance back then becomes the huge challenge. Understanding that is very critical to get a musical sound.
I don't use any power conditioners or any types of voltage regulators. Only thing I have done is to run a dedicated supply from mains, added a 1KVA isolation transformer and removed all SMPS supplies from the chain. Moved from laptop based transport to ALLO Digione Signature.Kannan, I haven’t yet heard a single power conditioner I have liked. Each and every one of them I owned messed up the sound in some way. The negatives to my ears outweighed the positives it bought. I have owned Shunyata Hydra, BPT, Running Springs Audio Jaco, Alan Kafton Powerwing. In addition I have tried a locally manufactured CVT, an isolation transformer and some ground devices like Akiko Audio and Entreq. None worked for me. They all messed up the balance and made it non musical. I just couldn’t get them to sound correct in my system. I have owned each of the above power conditioners for over a year. So I did give it enough time. But no luck. Maybe I was doing something wrong
Very true although practically speaking in the end Is High end audio perception even worth the effort of research would be the question. even coffee beans which are a much bigger market are done by the "Tongue" and "eye" as is Wine or tea, so we might well accept and move on that good music will always be by the "ear"
Very sound advice.Enkay78, always look at an amp speaker combo when you are looking at numbers. For example most class D amps will have a very high damping factor. There are many speakers that don’t like a high damping factor. Class D amps work by constant switching. I am very sensitive to this as I find the sound becoming mechanical as a result of this constant switching. But there are many who may not be sensitive to this. Music is a sensory perception so there is going to be a lot of variance between how people perceive sound. There are no set rules by which you can play this game. Many members in this forum have been playing this game for decades and over the years have developed their own preferences.
As a thumb rule, try and keep source neutral. Amp-speaker combo, buy according to what floats your boat.