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Where do you stand on accuracy vs euphonics wrt amplification

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Update - I went ahead and booked a Benchmark abh2 for the heck of it ... Now iam kindof scared not knowing what to expect having not heard it ..they dont even have dealers or showrooms in USA to hear it ....

hopefully it wont be too bad ...fingers crossed ...
 

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That's a good choice. I don't think you will be disappointed.


For me I am blissfully enjoying my Kali LP8 + Sabaj D5 combo. So no hurry for the Hypex I planned. Will wait out for some time.
 

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I do not think abh2 is going to be audibly so much better than others, say hypex ..but i wanted to own a well made piece of technology which is class leading for once in my life...

Was tired of 2nd hand components breaking down on me ..
 

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Update - I went ahead and booked a Benchmark abh2 for the heck of it ... Now iam kindof scared not knowing what to expect having not heard it ..they dont even have dealers or showrooms in USA to hear it ....

hopefully it wont be too bad ...fingers crossed ...
What is the plan for the speakers? Is this for the same ones you have (I guess KEF r300)?
 

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Oh i never had any upgrade plans ...my 2nd hand amp broke down so thats why i got these ....my speakers are kef r500 ...i might drop them much later ...for my room they seem to be ok.....
 

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If such a device evokes the same emotional connect you feel when listening to a live music event, I am in agreement. Otherwise it is only very academic, no ?
While you have a point, there is a flip side.
There is no guarantee that the "musically pleasing distortion" will affect each recording similarly (and thus please us)
 

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While you have a point, there is a flip side.
There is no guarantee that the "musically pleasing distortion" will affect each recording similarly (and thus please us)
How would you know it is " musically pleasing distortion " that you hear in all such systems ? Of course, there are some gear that adds a certain distortion to make all music sound pleasant. But not all " subjective camp " gear are like that. Accuracy and high fidelity are not confined to only one type of approach. Many designers use measurement as the bedrock upon which they build. Specs is not the end but the beginning for some designs.

For example, how would you explain a move from a amplifier like Rotel which measures great for all known parameters to a Leben or Kronzilla 300B ? I would say for all songs, the Leben or Kronzilla will sound way better. What spec gives you that information ?

Also a solidstate amp like Accuphase or Luxman will sound better than Rotel with almost any speaker. But for all known measurement parameters, the Rotel will measure as good as it gets. So, how do you take a decision ?

Not looking for an argument but it is just a typical predicament that one can land up in.... I usually use my ears in such a situation.
 
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update - 2nd day of using the benchmark abh2 + dac3 combo.

Personally its not like they improve the music x times their worth. But i do like what iam hearing.
My observations in 2 sleepless days of jetlag

1. The bass is improved a LOT
2. I now understand that instruments have a "reverb", above and beyond their basic sound. I can now hear those reverbs.
3. Music seems paced.
4. At higher decibels sound is clear like how it is , when we hear music at the dead of night

I picked these up when i travelled to SanJose in California. I had a colleague with me who picked a Yamaha rxv 385. He had also picked up a KEF Q150. So we tested if things worked before coming back and we did a small switch to compare gears, using a small sound meter i had with me to equalize it to the best possible we could.

The abh2 + dac3 combo made music clearer - not a wall of sound. Is it 10 times better compared to the avr price ? No ... but yeah its pleasing if you enjoy the feeling of being able to own a well engineered product maybe once in life. I would imagine that it will come very near this combo if the DAC alone in the avr is not used. The rxv was not even playing high res wav files. So i think that is a limiting factor for the AVR's.

I had also demoed a vandersteen Treo / Revel 208 at a dealer's place using mcIntosh gear, with an intention to compare the gear with the abh2 and also to maybe audition a speaker worth the abh2. But the connections did not work and i ended up not being able to connect the abh2 at his place. After coming back to India and listening to the same songs it seems to me, that the my speaker with the attached subwoofer are quite as good as what i heard at their place. (But not as natural - the Vandersteens are very good in that sense when i had compared with revels).

Anywayz iam so happy, that i really do not want to upgrade the speakers in a hurry coz iam happy to hear what iam hearing.

To get back to what we where talking in this thread though, I would say that there is definitely something good going for measurements.

cheers.
 
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For example, how would you explain a move from a amplifier like Rotel which measures great for all known parameters to a Leben or Kronzilla 300B ? I would say for all songs, the Leben or Kronzilla will sound way better. What spec gives you that information ?

Also a solidstate amp like Accuphase or Luxman will sound better than Rotel with almost any speaker. But for all known measurement parameters, the Rotel will measure as good as it gets. So, how do you take a decision ?

Not looking for an argument but it is just a typical predicament that one can land up in.... I usually use my ears in such a situation.
Curious to know, whether the said preference of sound was in full view of the amplifier or without the knowledge of it?
You know placebo is a real thing in medicine.
 

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Curious to know, whether the said preference of sound was in full view of the amplifier or without the knowledge of it?
You know placebo is a real thing in medicine.
You can keep the amps hidden and let the listener play their music in whatever way they want for about 10 minutes and then switch to the other amplifier. Each time they will identify the amp they prefer. This applies to people who are playing this game with full personal stake. I am referring to people who have extensive knowledge of the amps in question in their personal systems and what it can do to their music.
 

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Curious to know, whether the said preference of sound was in full view of the amplifier or without the knowledge of it?
You know placebo is a real thing in medicine.
Oops thght that it was addressed to me ...forum doesnt allow me to delete the post

I can say answer this though for the comparison we performed by pitting my source chain against the avr that the difference was so very evident we didnt bother doing any blinded test ...and it was impractical ....

I will also be the 1st to admit iam no golden ear ...far from it ....my friend was the only control factor ...
 

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Update :

Not all songs sound good - its brutal with songs that are not really recorded well - or even that are not well recorded.
All those lush sounding stuff you hear in clubs (maybe tubes? i havent heard them) will be sorely missed.
But anything thats well recorded is a pleasure.
Iam beginning to think i need to create a different playlist - of songs that sound well with this - thats how brutual it is.
Iam not sure how much of KEF's inherent brightness plays into this.

So i want to try and switch to roon or a room EQ and say use some treble controls.
 

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Iam beginning to think i need to create a different playlist - of songs that sound well with this - thats how brutual it is.
Iam not sure how much of KEF's inherent brightness plays into this.

So i want to try and switch to roon or a room EQ and say use some treble controls.
A very resolving and transparent system essentially gives you a deeper look into the recording. The art of the musician and the science of the engineer is laid bare in front of you. If the science is done well, you enjoy the music well indeed. If the science is not so great you still enjoy the music but you might ponder why the engineering is not so great. But either way, the art comes through and if you are a music lover, a good system will never make you turn off the system. End of the day, most music you like should sound good on your chosen system. A music system should never decide what music you should listen to. It may help you explore more music though.
 

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o_O .... deep man. Dont worry though, iam not abandoning my favs ....probably will create a sub list of favs that work better with this system .....
 

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@spaace

So happy for you man.

Don't forget to enjoy your musics. .....and also that mood and weather also influence how the music 'sound'. If you really want to enjoy to the fullest, get lots of sunshine (not the gears off course....I mean you) :D :D :D

Jokes apart, I do feel transparency improves with better measured gears. (I find my Kali LP 8 + Sabaj D5 quite enjoyable....and I have checked with mostly Pink Floyds 24 bit 196 khz )
 

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Thanks Enkay .. If i may ask ...Where did you get those tracks from ? Hd tracks ? Isnt that better than cd definition ?
 
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