Prem, request you to share a picture of the cubes along with how you have placed them near the window.
A few tweaks that have worked for me
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Hi cmsajith
The glass has to be inverted. Its not the same as a pot which has the open side on the top. If you keep a glass with the open side on the top, nothing happens. Its only when you invert it does it act as a resonator.
What is it specifically that you did not understand about the cube. The cube is a Franck Tchang design. Here is the link Franck Tchang.com: SugarCubes
Hi Santhol2 the attached link will explain how the cube works. Go through the review. Many make a grid of 17 cubes on the front wall. I only use one cube on one window pane or mirror. I attach it about half an inch from the corner. Do not use more than one cube per glass.
The glass has to be inverted. Its not the same as a pot which has the open side on the top. If you keep a glass with the open side on the top, nothing happens. Its only when you invert it does it act as a resonator.
What is it specifically that you did not understand about the cube. The cube is a Franck Tchang design. Here is the link Franck Tchang.com: SugarCubes
Hi Santhol2 the attached link will explain how the cube works. Go through the review. Many make a grid of 17 cubes on the front wall. I only use one cube on one window pane or mirror. I attach it about half an inch from the corner. Do not use more than one cube per glass.
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Guys, the tweaks that i have mentioned are not my ideas. The rosewood cube as well as the inverted glass is Franck Tchangs suggestions. His company Acoustic System makes resonators and cables.
The sandstone suggestion is from Silent Running Audio who are a specialist rack and platform manufacturer for high end audio.
I use Acoustic System resonators and cables as also the Silent Running Audio Craz rack and VR Isobases.
The sandstone suggestion is from Silent Running Audio who are a specialist rack and platform manufacturer for high end audio.
I use Acoustic System resonators and cables as also the Silent Running Audio Craz rack and VR Isobases.
hi prem,
was thinking, in fact almost finalised on herbies audio labs stuff, the isocups for the set amp and phonostage. sent him a query today afternoon, received a detailed guide of what i could explore for the turntable. all in one day. love interacting with these guys abroad. simply superb service through and through. this is in sharp contrast to the indian guy for vibrapods in pune whom i called up. he took my number and no word after that
no guesses for where my money's going
know someone who has used herbie's stuff? most of the reviews seem to be good.
thanks to you i overcame my inertia and put a set of spikes i had lying around, under the SET amp. instant diff. sounds a bit hard and harsh though cos the spikes are touching the amp directly. but will do as a temp measure. after that will try the rosewood cubes.
regards
edit: took out the spikes. couldn't stand the sound. it was much clearer and tighter but harsher and vinyl sounded like end groove distortion right from the middle! digital sounded like an mp3 ripped at a bad bit rate in many places.
was thinking, in fact almost finalised on herbies audio labs stuff, the isocups for the set amp and phonostage. sent him a query today afternoon, received a detailed guide of what i could explore for the turntable. all in one day. love interacting with these guys abroad. simply superb service through and through. this is in sharp contrast to the indian guy for vibrapods in pune whom i called up. he took my number and no word after that
no guesses for where my money's going know someone who has used herbie's stuff? most of the reviews seem to be good.
thanks to you i overcame my inertia and put a set of spikes i had lying around, under the SET amp. instant diff. sounds a bit hard and harsh though cos the spikes are touching the amp directly. but will do as a temp measure. after that will try the rosewood cubes.
regards
edit: took out the spikes. couldn't stand the sound. it was much clearer and tighter but harsher and vinyl sounded like end groove distortion right from the middle! digital sounded like an mp3 ripped at a bad bit rate in many places.
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ranjeetrain
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Prem, you are doing a fantastic job. Keep it up, buddy!
Hi Stevieboy
The Herbies Audio stuff is supposedly very nice. I have never used them but have heard a lot of good things about them. Also while you are at it, try their tube dampers.
When you used spikes what was the surface below the spikes? Sandstone works very well for this application.
The Herbies Audio stuff is supposedly very nice. I have never used them but have heard a lot of good things about them. Also while you are at it, try their tube dampers.
When you used spikes what was the surface below the spikes? Sandstone works very well for this application.
hi prem,
i actually went to their site for tube dampers then saw the isocups and stuff. had been there very very long back. very affordable stuff.
the spikes were on the concrete ground directly, and touching the amp directly too. not ideal, just a temp measure. getting low slung tables made for the amp and phonostage and turntable and the isocups for amp, tenderfeet for phonostage and grungebuster dots for turntable feet and motor. ought to be good.
do you think if i get a table made and get the isocups, adding the sandstone slab on top of the table will help? was toying with the idea of making sandboxes for all my components...
just can't make up my mind
regards
i actually went to their site for tube dampers then saw the isocups and stuff. had been there very very long back. very affordable stuff.
the spikes were on the concrete ground directly, and touching the amp directly too. not ideal, just a temp measure. getting low slung tables made for the amp and phonostage and turntable and the isocups for amp, tenderfeet for phonostage and grungebuster dots for turntable feet and motor. ought to be good.
do you think if i get a table made and get the isocups, adding the sandstone slab on top of the table will help? was toying with the idea of making sandboxes for all my components...
just can't make up my mind
regards
hi prem,
i actually went to their site for tube dampers then saw the isocups and stuff. had been there very very long back. very affordable stuff.
the spikes were on the concrete ground directly, and touching the amp directly too. not ideal, just a temp measure. getting low slung tables made for the amp and phonostage and turntable and the isocups for amp, tenderfeet for phonostage and grungebuster dots for turntable feet and motor. ought to be good.
do you think if i get a table made and get the isocups, adding the sandstone slab on top of the table will help? was toying with the idea of making sandboxes for all my components...
just can't make up my mind
regards
This seems like a superb idea! I have heard equipment on this kind of racks. and it is well worth it! The only thing is, its kinda dangerous if the sand leaks into the equipment.....
Hi Steven,
came across a very interesting article on isolation and vibration experienced by tuntables. It has a very interesting test.
"The first and most important issue to address is unwanted vibration. As we know, the stylus is a vibration-recording machine of incredible delicacy, able to read minute shifts on the order of just a few microns (i.e. you'd need an electron microscope to see the scale it's tracking). Obviously any additional vibrations are going to to be a key source of degradation. One of the most significant sources of spurious vibrations is the room itself and the floor on which the turntable stand actually sits. If your turntable stand doesn't pass the "glass of water" test (that is, put a full glass of water on the shelf beside the turntable and jump up and down heavily beside it - if you get a ripple in the glass then the support fails) you need to look carefully at other options."
I am going to try this water test today. I have to make sure nobody is around because you can imagine what they will think.
Here is the complete article.
6moons audio reviews: In vinylo veritas - Vignettes in Vinyl
Thanks.
came across a very interesting article on isolation and vibration experienced by tuntables. It has a very interesting test.
"The first and most important issue to address is unwanted vibration. As we know, the stylus is a vibration-recording machine of incredible delicacy, able to read minute shifts on the order of just a few microns (i.e. you'd need an electron microscope to see the scale it's tracking). Obviously any additional vibrations are going to to be a key source of degradation. One of the most significant sources of spurious vibrations is the room itself and the floor on which the turntable stand actually sits. If your turntable stand doesn't pass the "glass of water" test (that is, put a full glass of water on the shelf beside the turntable and jump up and down heavily beside it - if you get a ripple in the glass then the support fails) you need to look carefully at other options."
I am going to try this water test today. I have to make sure nobody is around because you can imagine what they will think.
Here is the complete article.
6moons audio reviews: In vinylo veritas - Vignettes in Vinyl
Thanks.
santhol
a sandbox is nothing but a rectangular/square box like a drawer. in it you fill sand and on top you place a sheet of wood/slab of stone. this top sheet should not touch the outer edges of the box but rest solely on the sand. on this top sheet you place your component. i think galibier recommends a metal strip on the underside of this top sheet so there's more contact between the top sheet and the sand and the top sheet sort of anchors itself in the sand.
The TNT SandBlaster 1.0
Galibier Design - Frequently Asked Questions
regards
a sandbox is nothing but a rectangular/square box like a drawer. in it you fill sand and on top you place a sheet of wood/slab of stone. this top sheet should not touch the outer edges of the box but rest solely on the sand. on this top sheet you place your component. i think galibier recommends a metal strip on the underside of this top sheet so there's more contact between the top sheet and the sand and the top sheet sort of anchors itself in the sand.
The TNT SandBlaster 1.0
Galibier Design - Frequently Asked Questions
regards
hi malvai,
yes a sandbox is quite an alternative if you don't want to spend on a dedicated rack. re the leaking of sand, one can put a plastic sheet and place the top plank so no sand can come out. shouldn't be an issue unless one fiddles around too much too often
regards
yes a sandbox is quite an alternative if you don't want to spend on a dedicated rack. re the leaking of sand, one can put a plastic sheet and place the top plank so no sand can come out. shouldn't be an issue unless one fiddles around too much too often
regards
Hi Steven,
came across a very interesting article on isolation and vibration experienced by tuntables. It has a very interesting test.
"The first and most important issue to address is unwanted vibration. As we know, the stylus is a vibration-recording machine of incredible delicacy, able to read minute shifts on the order of just a few microns (i.e. you'd need an electron microscope to see the scale it's tracking). Obviously any additional vibrations are going to to be a key source of degradation. One of the most significant sources of spurious vibrations is the room itself and the floor on which the turntable stand actually sits. If your turntable stand doesn't pass the "glass of water" test (that is, put a full glass of water on the shelf beside the turntable and jump up and down heavily beside it - if you get a ripple in the glass then the support fails) you need to look carefully at other options."
I am going to try this water test today. I have to make sure nobody is around because you can imagine what they will think.
Here is the complete article.
6moons audio reviews: In vinylo veritas - Vignettes in Vinyl
Thanks.
hehe mahiruha jumping around furtively looking to see if anyone's noticing him
yeah read bout that didn't try it yes cos i can feel the base of my temp table vibrating quite a bit so pretty much of a lost cause with me right now by the way check out the mintlp website. they have a nice 10x loupe so you can see what you're doing with the cantilever. i'm planning to order the protractor. they have a ready one for project 9 tonearms.
regards
regards
square_wave
Well-Known Member
hi malvai,
yes a sandbox is quite an alternative if you don't want to spend on a dedicated rack. re the leaking of sand, one can put a plastic sheet and place the top plank so no sand can come out. shouldn't be an issue unless one fiddles around too much too often
regards
Hmmm, the thing is I'm all fiddly until things are totally dang diddly!
But how is one supposed to notice 'little' ripples in glass of water while jumping up and down at the same time.
hehehe... This vibration test is too good and tempting not to try. To save embarrassment will get a fat guy from my building to do this while I watch the glass water, will tell him future of analog sound reproduction is depended on this test..... :lol:
Just suggest this very very tactfully... you don't want to be the floor that the said person wants ot jump on!
Thanks malvai,
No problem. These guys are normally jolly in nature and will do anything for a glass of cold beer
:beer:Hi Stevieboy
I had the Brightstar sandboxes long back. I think you should try the sandstone slab. Take a 3cm thick slab. It should cost you about 300 bucks. Do not have it polished. I would personally prefer the equipment with the Herbies footers directly on the sandstone slab and no wooden platform underneath the slab
I had the Brightstar sandboxes long back. I think you should try the sandstone slab. Take a 3cm thick slab. It should cost you about 300 bucks. Do not have it polished. I would personally prefer the equipment with the Herbies footers directly on the sandstone slab and no wooden platform underneath the slab
Prem,
I was just wondering one itty bitty thing: what would be good for the Thorens TD 124 mk1 plinth? Sandstone? Granite? Marble? Slate? Strengthened glass? Acrylic?
As a part of my DIY efforts on restoring the said TT, I am trying to figure out the most sonically efficeint option. And also, visually pleasing one!
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