sachin.shiva
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Please add demo of some hindi songs also
Please add demo of some hindi songs also
The ear piercing sound he is suggesting is from the forwardness of the ATC in the mid range, its slightly less in the 3-way design but thats more or less the ATC sound. Having owned the SCM11 for almost 3yrs now and counting and also hearing the scm20 and scm40 on other occasions, the lack of low end in the sealed design and the tweeter being a few DB's lower than the mids makes the sound more piercing or forward for someone looking for a more balanced sound. Toe-in to the listening position definitely helps but the sound still remains mid focused, The soft dome tweeter is just too soft to offend any ears. I have tried the ATC's with accuphase E-270, sugden a21se signature, eam lab musica 102i with matrix, audionote and lumin dac. The results were the same with the mid range having the tendancy to come at you and sound forward. With the accuphase in play the tweeter just left the party even before it started, it was all mids jam with accuphase playing.
If your listening levels are 65-68db you donot need a 300w mono block to drive any atc speaker. No where did I mention the high's to be piercing please read again as to what I have written. More watts can make your speakers play louder but it cannot change the sound of the speaker.You used all the wrong amps with ATC and then you complain. You need more current to drive an ATC. Mine came alive only after I fed them with 300W/ch monoblocks. There is absolutely no ear piercing highs or fatigue if you setup an ATC correctly. If your chain has a flaw, it will show up. Could be the amps you used or your source.
It does matter. I am saying first hand as I had a 125W/ch McCormack DNA power amp earlier and it struggled to drive the ATC, made it sound exactly as you say - upper mid range forwardness. The very same amp is now working beautifully driving a pair of dyns in my second system. This is quite a high current amp that had driven punishing speakers before but failed with the ATC.If your listening levels are 65-68db you donot need a 300w mono block to drive any atc speaker. No where did I mention the high's to be piercing please read again as to what I have written. More watts can make your speakers play louder but it cannot change the sound of the speaker.
It Doesn't end there, it needs everything upto a certain standard. Gryphon Diablo and ATC synergy is absolutely fantastic, as good as McIntosh with B&Ws or SFs. Class D (Peachtree Amp500 in my case) will show its weakness in favor of class AB.ATC needs current - a lot of current. None of the amps you mentioned - sugden which is a 20W pipsqueak, or an accuphase e270
I still have the speakers with me, you still haven't read what I have written or maybe not made the effort to understand it. The power reserve does help alot as you pointed but that reserve will not change the sound of the speaker. The difference here lies in the fact that I have posted my comments above after using all this stuff and still owing it, you on the other hand are commenting on these brands through your assumptions on reading specsheets. Good for you if you like your ATC.It does matter. I am saying first hand as I had a 125W/ch McCormack DNA power amp earlier and it struggled to drive the ATC, made it sound exactly as you say - upper mid range forwardness. The very same amp is now working beautifully driving a pair of dyns in my second system. This is quite a high current amp that had driven punishing speakers before but failed with the ATC.
ATC needs current - a lot of current. None of the amps you mentioned - sugden which is a 20W pipsqueak, or an accuphase e270 which is their entry level and again has a quasi compromised PSU making it lack drive or the eam integrated will do justice to this speaker. It needs current and a lot of drive. Once you give it that, it really sings. The electronics the speaker requires probably costs as much or more than the cost of the speaker.
There is a reason why ATC mentions 75-300W as the power range of the SCM19 that I own - it absolutely needs the grunt. The power reserves help it. Most people discard these speakers without even bothering to put the right amps on them and then complain.
So when you don't have a point to contend with, you end up name calling?I still have the speakers with me, you still haven't read what I have written or maybe not made the effort to understand it. The power reserve does help alot as you pointed but that reserve will not change the sound of the speaker. The difference here lies in the fact that I have posted my comments above after using all this stuff and still owing it, you on the other hand are commenting on these brands through your assumptions on reading specsheets. Good for you if you like your ATC.
This is so so true. Way too many times people discount these speakers but the they are doing is that they are revealing speakers are doing is revealing issues in the chain. Source, pre, power everything needs to be absolutely sorted else they will not sing.If you dont want to play around with the amplification, get the active versions and a good preamp. For me, ATCs are highly neutral, brutally revealing speakers that needs good source components to really shine. But once you have everything sorted, you can really enjoy them.
Sachin sir please find one.Please add demo of some hindi songs also
Sachin sir please find one.