AV Max Expo 2013 (Delhi)
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No special discount on any product, as confirmed by different dealers.... Whereas av max promoted this event as special discounts will be available!
Anyways the price quoted for 8100 was 1.7lakh.
Few notes from my visit yesterday :
- must audition electrostatic speakers from Martin logan and floor standers from golden ears(think)
- paradigm Ct100 available for audition
- dali fazon was no connected, if someone audition it pls share your experience.
- food is just ok n quite expensive..
Thanks
- must audition electrostatic speakers from Martin logan and floor standers from golden ears(think)
- paradigm Ct100 available for audition
- dali fazon was no connected, if someone audition it pls share your experience.
- food is just ok n quite expensive..
Thanks
Please post your review about the product demonstrated and about the price details if any.
Thanks
Thanks
Did manage to hear the fazon along with Rahul, Kamal and Nitin.
Didn't get a chance to hear at length, but they sounded pleasant enough and were surprisingly full sounding. The price however left much to be desired (2L+).:lol:
Thanks do you remember the exact model number... Cause fazon 1 should be close to 1.2 lakh.
These were the F5s (99% sure, didnt ask them the model number then, just checked with the models online.)
My experience:
Food: expensive & not good taste.
Music:
Audire Ascendo was something I liked the most. But it was very costly.
Dali FS something = too bright for me.
Paradigm Shift: sounded little congested/closed to me (maybe because it was new). Price = 45k/pair
Martin Logan Electrostats: Sounded pretty open and full ranged.
Food: expensive & not good taste.
Music:
Audire Ascendo was something I liked the most. But it was very costly.
Dali FS something = too bright for me.
Paradigm Shift: sounded little congested/closed to me (maybe because it was new). Price = 45k/pair
Martin Logan Electrostats: Sounded pretty open and full ranged.
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Did someone listen to the Magicos ?
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After auditioning all demo rooms I found JBL Synthesis speakers best..
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aashish351
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Heard the magico but not at length. Very good but not extraordinary as they are made out to be. Could be because of the small rooms. Nothing sounded very great. All the speakers were placed improperly because of the rooms.
The focal scala utopia were good too. Very balanced detailed sound. Golden ear triton were connected to an avr so can't comment on its true sound. But the sound was good still.
The focal scala utopia were good too. Very balanced detailed sound. Golden ear triton were connected to an avr so can't comment on its true sound. But the sound was good still.
panditji
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Very disappointed with the Magicos but maybe the room and setup were a problem....However for a 25 lakh speaker which has the world raving about it, I expected it to sound a lot better een though the room was not suitable....
The JM Labs were by far the best sound of the show although there was a slight boom due to the room acoustics but it showed what it's capable of....
The Sonus Faber venere bookshelfs and floorstanders were the best VFM speakers along with the NuForce DDA-100 amplifier...
I am very intrigued by the Nuforce amp as it is a tiny box with 75 Watts of power per channel and you play your computer music via a USB cable eliminating the need for a DAC....Definitely the way forward I think...
The JM Labs were by far the best sound of the show although there was a slight boom due to the room acoustics but it showed what it's capable of....
The Sonus Faber venere bookshelfs and floorstanders were the best VFM speakers along with the NuForce DDA-100 amplifier...
I am very intrigued by the Nuforce amp as it is a tiny box with 75 Watts of power per channel and you play your computer music via a USB cable eliminating the need for a DAC....Definitely the way forward I think...
My of the expo accompanied by Vinay, Ranjeet, and a few new friends with whom I had met during the expo.
As the AV Max Expo was to be held from the 8-10th of March (heard about this at the New Delhi Meet earlier this year) so was waiting in anticipation of this event for a long time. I decided to take the day off from office so that I avoid the weekend rush and have a listening the demo rooms to my hearts content. Well soon the D-Day arrived and having arranged to have an ride (alongwith an collegue who has his office in Okhla) to the venue, I arrived at the place at around 11 am or thereabouts. Most of the stalls were laid out in the ground floor and Basement. Further some stalls were being given finishing touches. Well soon thereafter the guests arrived and the show was ingurated by the 3G stars Neil Nitin Mukesh and Sonal Chauhan who cut the red ribbon and lit the lamp.
Stalls
Impressions regarding the stalls in the Ground Floor : More or less Sid has already laid down what to expect. I spent a bit of time at the Acoustic Arts display where I saw the Tannoy Glenaire speakers also the speaker from the Prestige series and the Olive players and the monstorous Krell amps. The stall from the Prince av had a scropio speakers with built in amps and works over wifi / blue tooth. Next I really liked the Lakozy stall which had the Ultimate Stereo System (consisting of the JBL Everest speakers and Mark Levinson Electronics and source) priced at an mind blowing 99 lakhs. The Focal stall, the Traingle stall apart from the one with the Martin Logans and Dali were by far the good displays. Well I thought the episilon was a rip off of the Anthony Gallo design or is it vice versa ?? The basement had stalls by Bass and Treble with both Denny and Jenny going all out to present the various brands they stock in all their glory. The Deftech stall was rather low key one though it had a majority of the models on display. One more thing was that there were around 2-3 stall showcasing recliners and mirror tvs which are good accessories for movie buffs.
Demo Rooms
Moving on to the demo rooms next. As I did not fancy anything in HT so I stuck only to the rooms with stereo gear. The first room I visited was the Sonus faber room with Jeff Rowland electronics. The source was music server. The floor standers and bookshelves did sound good and had a nice presence to them. The prices were 95k for the bookshelves and 235k for the floorstanders. The floorstanders had a bit of grunt in the lower frequencies. Both the FS and BS managed to create a good soundstage and presence in the room. There was also a nice battery powered speaker on display which was a novel concept.
Thereafter I visited the Legacy Audio demo room and speakers though had a lot of energy was too much of an overkill for the room and could not deliver the magic which I can see it delivering in large rooms. These were driven by parasound Halo amps. The speakers were quoted at 1500k a pair. Then I went to listen to the Magico Q3s (2500k a pair) well though the speakers had something different they definitely were not sounding as to what my expectations were. Maybe it was room or the amps but my feeling was these could sound much better than they were sounding in the room.
Next was the Guru Speakers from Sweden. Well these exquisitely finished beauties sounded far more bigger than they really were. There should be nice WAF for these speakers alongwith good sound. The Ascendo speakers were in an adjacent room but it could not be set up as the room had a power supply problem and so could not listen to these speakers. Next I went to hear the Martin Logans (183k a pair) which were powered by the Peachtree (pre-power) hybrid electronics. These were one of the best sounds of the show maybe the electrostats had a thing which cannot be put to words. Next wandered to the room Triangle speakers they had the Magellan series speakers (800k a pair) powered by Primarie electronics and connected with a CDP and clearaudio concept TT. These speakers were quite good and had a very huge (sound stage) and very musical to hear to Jagjjit singh and gulzar on them. Well I also went to the room where Quadral speakers were powered by Cambridge Audio amps. The sound of the broken in speaker (which had been burnt in for close 300 hrs) was way better than the brand new speakers costing twice as much from the same brand.
Then I went to the Focals demo room where they had the utopia on demo (scala one if I am not mistaken) powered by a Halcro amp. The source was an Accuphase CDP connected through a NAD M1 DAC which was being used as a pre. The sound was good but there was something missing which I cant figure out. By this time headed down to the display area and heard the Glenaire (approx400k a pair) speakers being played with an K R audio amp at the acoustic portrait stall. The distinctive warm sounds of the Tannoy bought a smile to our faces. Further I had an opportunity to hear the Ultimate stereo system at lakozy stall. I think this probably was one of the best sounds of the show though not being properly set up having just being switched on after some requests from us. The setup consisted of JBL Everest Speakers , Mark Levinson monoblocks, Mark levinson pre and a Mark Levinson CDP.
Not to mention that the Lunch at Nathus was equally delicious.
As the AV Max Expo was to be held from the 8-10th of March (heard about this at the New Delhi Meet earlier this year) so was waiting in anticipation of this event for a long time. I decided to take the day off from office so that I avoid the weekend rush and have a listening the demo rooms to my hearts content. Well soon the D-Day arrived and having arranged to have an ride (alongwith an collegue who has his office in Okhla) to the venue, I arrived at the place at around 11 am or thereabouts. Most of the stalls were laid out in the ground floor and Basement. Further some stalls were being given finishing touches. Well soon thereafter the guests arrived and the show was ingurated by the 3G stars Neil Nitin Mukesh and Sonal Chauhan who cut the red ribbon and lit the lamp.
Stalls
Impressions regarding the stalls in the Ground Floor : More or less Sid has already laid down what to expect. I spent a bit of time at the Acoustic Arts display where I saw the Tannoy Glenaire speakers also the speaker from the Prestige series and the Olive players and the monstorous Krell amps. The stall from the Prince av had a scropio speakers with built in amps and works over wifi / blue tooth. Next I really liked the Lakozy stall which had the Ultimate Stereo System (consisting of the JBL Everest speakers and Mark Levinson Electronics and source) priced at an mind blowing 99 lakhs. The Focal stall, the Traingle stall apart from the one with the Martin Logans and Dali were by far the good displays. Well I thought the episilon was a rip off of the Anthony Gallo design or is it vice versa ?? The basement had stalls by Bass and Treble with both Denny and Jenny going all out to present the various brands they stock in all their glory. The Deftech stall was rather low key one though it had a majority of the models on display. One more thing was that there were around 2-3 stall showcasing recliners and mirror tvs which are good accessories for movie buffs.
Demo Rooms
Moving on to the demo rooms next. As I did not fancy anything in HT so I stuck only to the rooms with stereo gear. The first room I visited was the Sonus faber room with Jeff Rowland electronics. The source was music server. The floor standers and bookshelves did sound good and had a nice presence to them. The prices were 95k for the bookshelves and 235k for the floorstanders. The floorstanders had a bit of grunt in the lower frequencies. Both the FS and BS managed to create a good soundstage and presence in the room. There was also a nice battery powered speaker on display which was a novel concept.
Thereafter I visited the Legacy Audio demo room and speakers though had a lot of energy was too much of an overkill for the room and could not deliver the magic which I can see it delivering in large rooms. These were driven by parasound Halo amps. The speakers were quoted at 1500k a pair. Then I went to listen to the Magico Q3s (2500k a pair) well though the speakers had something different they definitely were not sounding as to what my expectations were. Maybe it was room or the amps but my feeling was these could sound much better than they were sounding in the room.
Next was the Guru Speakers from Sweden. Well these exquisitely finished beauties sounded far more bigger than they really were. There should be nice WAF for these speakers alongwith good sound. The Ascendo speakers were in an adjacent room but it could not be set up as the room had a power supply problem and so could not listen to these speakers. Next I went to hear the Martin Logans (183k a pair) which were powered by the Peachtree (pre-power) hybrid electronics. These were one of the best sounds of the show maybe the electrostats had a thing which cannot be put to words. Next wandered to the room Triangle speakers they had the Magellan series speakers (800k a pair) powered by Primarie electronics and connected with a CDP and clearaudio concept TT. These speakers were quite good and had a very huge (sound stage) and very musical to hear to Jagjjit singh and gulzar on them. Well I also went to the room where Quadral speakers were powered by Cambridge Audio amps. The sound of the broken in speaker (which had been burnt in for close 300 hrs) was way better than the brand new speakers costing twice as much from the same brand.
Then I went to the Focals demo room where they had the utopia on demo (scala one if I am not mistaken) powered by a Halcro amp. The source was an Accuphase CDP connected through a NAD M1 DAC which was being used as a pre. The sound was good but there was something missing which I cant figure out. By this time headed down to the display area and heard the Glenaire (approx400k a pair) speakers being played with an K R audio amp at the acoustic portrait stall. The distinctive warm sounds of the Tannoy bought a smile to our faces. Further I had an opportunity to hear the Ultimate stereo system at lakozy stall. I think this probably was one of the best sounds of the show though not being properly set up having just being switched on after some requests from us. The setup consisted of JBL Everest Speakers , Mark Levinson monoblocks, Mark levinson pre and a Mark Levinson CDP.
Not to mention that the Lunch at Nathus was equally delicious.
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Heres my slightly long round-up:
First of all, the show was organized pretty well. Static demos + the demo rooms were well marked and the flow was very pleasant. Cons- which are an occupational hazard, I suppose, were that the rooms were small and close together, with high noise floors and lots of bass leaking through, especially for those unfortunate enough to be near HT demos, with explosions going off every 5 seconds. I gravitated to the expensive rooms, of course and didnt bother with the multichannel rooms for the most part.
Magico/Devialet: What most people were looking forward to, I think. The Audire guys were very friendly, and had an audiophile CD to give away for free. The Devialet looks gorgeous, especially mounted on a wood wall. The fake wall, however, caused some room issues, in my opinion. They also had very cute wooden cable risers, which I wanted immediately. The sound was- well, ok, especially on one choral male vocal track, where the imaging was pinpoint. Very laid back, though, and not very engaging. The tracklist was also the usual audiophile dreck- female vocals et al, but maybe thats just me.
Ascendo/Playback Designs/Ayre: This was nicer, somehow, and the Ascendos are very striking to look at. Nice separation, although the tweeters were firing past me in the nearfield configuration in which theyd set these up (Apparently, thats how they are supposed to be. Rearfiring tweeter, maybe?) Also, these had no bass, which is weird for a big ported sub. Sandeep from Audire was also very friendly- thumbs up. The front end gear was super of course- you cant get much better than Playback Designs.
PSB- Ive heard this at the Mumbai store many times, so didnt spend much time here. I dont know why the Synchronys dont get more audiophile love- superb measurements, warm, dry, room tunable bass. For the price, theyre fantastic.
Martin Logan/Peachtree Audio: They had the cheaper Logans, so there was the usual discontinuity between bass and midrange. Super airy sound, though, especially considering how close to the back wall they were. Made my miss my Maggies, and wonder why I had let them go! The Peachtree Audio gear looks very nice, btw, and the Norstone stands also looked very cool, in an understated Scandinavian sort of way.
Sonus Faber/Nuforce/PS Audio: Burge was very nice this time; he normally looks very busy. I loved the bookshelves- the best bang for the buck at the show (92k), although the anaconda sized cabling they were connected to probably cost more than the speakers. They also had a supercool mini-Rack of Silence type rack, which Burge said was for 20k, and their other room (GoldenEar) said was for 75k, so Im not sure what was going on. The mini Nuforce looks very tempting. The PS Audio music server they had music streaming from had a very nice UI- this is usually my bugbear with those sorts of devices, but this one was very clean and intuitive.
JM Focal: There were literally 70 thousand people in the room when I went, so I didnt bother going in.
Legacy/Parasound/WireWorld: This was a beast of a setup. Ribbon tweeter, ribbon mid, MTM 8 mids, and 2 12 woofers actively amped with 1000wpc ICEpower modules, into an active room correction module, into Parasound monoblocks, with a sub as big as my apartment to further improve (!!) the low end. It was way too loud, however, and there was some fatigue after a point, with excessive detail, in a hammer the point in sort of way. They demoed it using this ultra boring drum track, that Ive now heard at 4 different demo rooms, I think. Give it a break, guys
This was the only setup to accurately play both my torture test discs, however, so Ill have to give it Best Sound of Show for me. Its a slightly unfair comparison, though, because they did have room correction, but its part of the system they sell, so why not?
Test discs:
Gordian Knot- Arsis (solo fretless bass). Arsis- Gordian Knot - YouTube
This has lots of open E string work, which most systems struggle to reproduce, without either farting out or going into boomy, one note bass mode.
Pat Metheny Group- The Way Up. Pat Metheny Group 2005 *The Way Up* - YouTube
This has lots of layered instruments, which are a killer to image properly (vibraphone, synth, guitar, marimba, drums, guitar, trumpet, overdubbed several times). Plus, right in the beginning, there is a car horn, which should correctly be reproduced around 4feet wide of the left speaker. The Legacy got this spot on.
First of all, the show was organized pretty well. Static demos + the demo rooms were well marked and the flow was very pleasant. Cons- which are an occupational hazard, I suppose, were that the rooms were small and close together, with high noise floors and lots of bass leaking through, especially for those unfortunate enough to be near HT demos, with explosions going off every 5 seconds. I gravitated to the expensive rooms, of course
and didnt bother with the multichannel rooms for the most part.Magico/Devialet: What most people were looking forward to, I think. The Audire guys were very friendly, and had an audiophile CD to give away for free. The Devialet looks gorgeous, especially mounted on a wood wall. The fake wall, however, caused some room issues, in my opinion. They also had very cute wooden cable risers, which I wanted immediately. The sound was- well, ok, especially on one choral male vocal track, where the imaging was pinpoint. Very laid back, though, and not very engaging. The tracklist was also the usual audiophile dreck- female vocals et al, but maybe thats just me.
Ascendo/Playback Designs/Ayre: This was nicer, somehow, and the Ascendos are very striking to look at. Nice separation, although the tweeters were firing past me in the nearfield configuration in which theyd set these up (Apparently, thats how they are supposed to be. Rearfiring tweeter, maybe?) Also, these had no bass, which is weird for a big ported sub. Sandeep from Audire was also very friendly- thumbs up. The front end gear was super of course- you cant get much better than Playback Designs.
PSB- Ive heard this at the Mumbai store many times, so didnt spend much time here. I dont know why the Synchronys dont get more audiophile love- superb measurements, warm, dry, room tunable bass. For the price, theyre fantastic.
Martin Logan/Peachtree Audio: They had the cheaper Logans, so there was the usual discontinuity between bass and midrange. Super airy sound, though, especially considering how close to the back wall they were. Made my miss my Maggies, and wonder why I had let them go! The Peachtree Audio gear looks very nice, btw, and the Norstone stands also looked very cool, in an understated Scandinavian sort of way.
Sonus Faber/Nuforce/PS Audio: Burge was very nice this time; he normally looks very busy
. I loved the bookshelves- the best bang for the buck at the show (92k), although the anaconda sized cabling they were connected to probably cost more than the speakers. They also had a supercool mini-Rack of Silence type rack, which Burge said was for 20k, and their other room (GoldenEar) said was for 75k, so Im not sure what was going on. The mini Nuforce looks very tempting. The PS Audio music server they had music streaming from had a very nice UI- this is usually my bugbear with those sorts of devices, but this one was very clean and intuitive.JM Focal: There were literally 70 thousand people in the room when I went, so I didnt bother going in.
Legacy/Parasound/WireWorld: This was a beast of a setup. Ribbon tweeter, ribbon mid, MTM 8 mids, and 2 12 woofers actively amped with 1000wpc ICEpower modules, into an active room correction module, into Parasound monoblocks, with a sub as big as my apartment to further improve (!!) the low end. It was way too loud, however, and there was some fatigue after a point, with excessive detail, in a hammer the point in sort of way. They demoed it using this ultra boring drum track, that Ive now heard at 4 different demo rooms, I think. Give it a break, guys
This was the only setup to accurately play both my torture test discs, however, so Ill have to give it Best Sound of Show for me. Its a slightly unfair comparison, though, because they did have room correction, but its part of the system they sell, so why not?
Test discs:
Gordian Knot- Arsis (solo fretless bass). Arsis- Gordian Knot - YouTube
This has lots of open E string work, which most systems struggle to reproduce, without either farting out or going into boomy, one note bass mode.
Pat Metheny Group- The Way Up. Pat Metheny Group 2005 *The Way Up* - YouTube
This has lots of layered instruments, which are a killer to image properly (vibraphone, synth, guitar, marimba, drums, guitar, trumpet, overdubbed several times). Plus, right in the beginning, there is a car horn, which should correctly be reproduced around 4feet wide of the left speaker. The Legacy got this spot on.
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Not that my view means anything when it comes to Audio technology, I love listening to music and it was a pleasure to be a part Av Expo listening to so many brands under one roof. One of my fav turned out to be GURU, but for almost the same price, The Martian Logan's Electrostatic speakers were really good as well.
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Does anyone remember the name of the recliner dealers that participated in the expo? There were three. One was reclinersindia, other rock n chair. Can't remember the third one. They were manufacturers only and didn't even have a showroom iirc. Only a factory. Anyone remember the company name or other details?
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Here is the whole list of exibitors try searching here
http://avmax.in/2013/02/23/expect-av-max-expo13/
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