AV Receiver

[112rajesh]

Hi!

Looking for best budget 5.1 / 7.1 AV Receiver (which includes most of the modern features like Network streaming, Built in WiFi, Zone 2, etc) to hook with Pioneer - Andrew Jones Speakers 5.1 (AJ-5235XT)?

Listening preference's - 1. Music 60%
2. DTH/TV/Movies 40%

Budget for AV receiver between - 20 to 45K ( After sale and service should also be taken care off)
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Plz. also advise that buying 7.1 AV receiver is worth in india. B'coz I think still 7.1 source is rare to find or available.

Looking forward for your Valuable suggestions.......

 

[112rajesh]

Hi,

Best receiver in your kind of budget will be denon AVR 2000 which has features like Internet radio USB and you can do Zone 2 also and denon has the best processor ever made so give it a try.

Regards

Homi
Imperial Sound
Mumbai.

Thanks for your suggestion. But I have read in many posts that Denon has warm sound and Lack of Mid Range sound........Actually I like Balanced and Natural Sound....Not Too much bright & not Warm. Also Read about Yamaha AV receivers are on Brighter Side.

About Pioneer I have read that Entry Level aur Below 50K AV receivers are not Relaible.

Thanks!

 

[spirovious]

Thanks for your suggestion. But I have read in many posts that Denon has warm sound and Lack of Mid Range sound........Actually I like Balanced and Natural Sound....Not Too much bright & not Warm. Also Read about Yamaha AV receivers are on Brighter Side.
Thanks!

Yamaha are Natural sounding and not bright if paired with correct speakers.Use warm speakers and Yamaha outputs pleasant sound.

 

[efernand1]

Hi 112rajesh

There are a lot of good AVRs out there, Yamaha, Pioneer, Marantz, Cambridge Audio, Denon etc....it all depends on what features, connectivity options, setup 5.1 or 7.1 or 7.2 or 9.2 you require. A good AVR with all the features you are looking out for would cost above the 40k mark....if you have a few models in mind or already auditioned a few models....share the same, perhaps we can provide further guidance....There are demo videos uploaded over You Tube....you can also read posts on HFV.

End of the day, it all depends on your budget and what appeals to you....you need to be satisfied in enjoying your music and movies using the said AVR.

 

[hemantwaghe]

Yamaha are Natural sounding and not bright if paired with correct speakers.Use warm speakers and Yamaha outputs pleasant sound.

What is Natural sound? How come you decide something is natural sounding or not??

 

[112rajesh]

@Homiyar,

I viewed the specs of Denon AVR-X2000 , and it seems impressive and in a budget with all necessary features, I am planning to Hook Pioneer Andrew Jones Speakers 5.1, Model (AJ-5235XT).....So it works with Wow Factor or you have something else to say.

Thanks...

 

[112rajesh]

Thanks for this Valuable Information piece.

 

[spirovious]

What is Natural sound? How come you decide something is natural sounding or not??

You had asked me the same question in past and I had answered that its Yamaha mentions it(Natural sound) as feature.When I compared so many AVRs in past,to my ears Yamaha DAC does better job in budget section.If you hear back to back AVRs(Denon,Onkyo,Pioneer,Marantz),you will agree that Yamaha is very close to natural sound(close to original recording).Please note I am not comparing it with hi-end products.But in given limited options,Yamaha delivers better sound.Only it lacks is a power.

 

[hemantwaghe]

You had asked me the same question in past and I had answered that its Yamaha mentions it(Natural sound) as feature.When I compared so many AVRs in past,to my ears Yamaha DAC does better job in budget section.If you hear back to back AVRs(Denon,Onkyo,Pioneer,Marantz),you will agree that Yamaha is very close to natural sound(close to original recording).Please note I am not comparing it with hi-end products.But in given limited options,Yamaha delivers better sound.Only it lacks is a power.

Again my query is same - how come you know these recording are original ? I mean the logic of reference is ( May be different for music)

i )Recording Engineer records Human sound / Music / Natural Sound
ii )These sounds are familiar to you like you know how the actors sound , how the instruments sound and how the natural events sound
iii ) You recreate the sound on your AVR ,and realize it is the same.

is there something not logical?

When you use the test disk mostly made of Hollywood clips and some chinese how do you determine the natural sound?

Now many people enjoy action movies for 5.1 effects
Now there are some sounds and tell me you heard it "naturally"

1) Thunderstorm - a real thunderstorm is really scary and irritating , I never found that in any sub effect
2) A real jet noise can break glass and it is extremly irritating

Jet Fighters Shatter Glass on the Brazilian Supreme Court Building (Video)

Fighter plane breaking glass - YouTube

Read about sonic boom

Sonic boom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But I never heard regular wndows breaking in jet fighters scene at yamaha ( or any other AVR) owners place?

3 ) Sound energy released during bomb blast can cause hearing loss in one / both ears ( I have a friend who suffered this in Mumbai train blasts ) So the same "Natural" effect achieved in AVR??

4) Gunshots are so noisy , while practicing professionals use ea protection !


First thing to keep your frame of reference have you heard these natural sounds like gunshots , bomb blast , fighter jet in person?

Also any actors in person?

So the point is the "Natural" is your perception as very very few of us ( not me ) must have experienced the natural events. And most of the time this is built because of carefully built AD taglines , so Yamaha writes "Natural Sound" and you start feeling it is natural

Or else prove otherwise

 

[spirovious]

So the point is the "Natural" is your perception as very very few of us ( not me ) must have experienced the natural events. And most of the time this is built because of carefully built AD taglines , so Yamaha writes "Natural Sound" and you start feeling it is natural

Or else prove otherwise

As said earlier,Yamaha sounds close to original recording.How can a device produce different sound than recorded originally?I don't find much coloration with Yamaha sound.I am not arguing with recording techniques and also comparing with much better DACs.I simply say that Yamaha sound is reliable as far as DAC part is concerned.No device can produce Natural sound out from oddly recorded files.OP is asking about the same.He simply needs a sound which is not too bright or very warm.

 

[hemantwaghe]

As said earlier,Yamaha sounds close to original recording.How can a device produce different sound than recorded originally?I don't find much coloration with Yamaha sound.I am not arguing with recording techniques and also comparing with much better DACs.I simply say that Yamaha sound is reliable as far as DAC part is concerned.No device can produce Natural sound out from oddly recorded files.OP is asking about the same.He simply needs a sound which is not too bright or very warm.

What is original recording? Recording is copying - mastering - reproducing process ... so "original ' to what reference? and when YOU claim to be " Natural" one should say " what is natural ? Define it ? And prove it is natural... second part is prove same sound appearing from your source - avr - speakers combo.

For human voice too about which song you can say I know singer in person , I heard him singing ( preferably unamplified - as people on forum say ) and he sounds same on my stem

MOST OF US CANNOT SAY THAT . that is point I ma making. "You " feel it is right - which may or may not be .

Remember this quote?

Morpheus: What is real? How do you define 'real'? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

From Matrix

Again from same movie

Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?
[Takes a bite of steak]
Cypher: Ignorance is bliss.


So it is "PERCEPTION " of natural , like Hush Puppies claiming to be most comfortable shoes ( No I FOUND Rockport and even some Indian shoes are far more comfortable FOR ME ) And iPhone considered as best phone when arrived ,and people realized that you cannot forward a SMS!


So my saying is same

So the point is the "Natural" is your perception as very very few of us ( not me ) must have experienced the natural events. And most of the time this is built because of carefully built AD taglines , so Yamaha writes "Natural Sound" and you start feeling it is natural

Or else prove otherwise

 

[spirovious]

What is original recording? Recording is copying - mastering - reproducing process ... so "original ' to what reference? and when YOU claim to be " Natural" one should say " what is natural ? Define it ? And prove it is natural... second part is prove same sound appearing from your source - avr - speakers combo.

By word 'Original' I mean what is recorded in CD/DVD or BD and not how singer was singing in studio. How its recorded is a total different story.What you are pointing is the recordings and techniques used.I am telling the second part at AVR level.Whenever I judge the sound quality,I always play a music/video file in many ways.I use Headphone,I use sound card.Compare with AVR out,also AVR Phone out.To me Yamaha sound is reliable in given options(Denon....).If I am putting impression by saying "Natural sound"as out of world(very real),its only possible if a CD/DVD/BD is recorded in that way.

 

[hemantwaghe]

By word 'Original' I mean what is recorded in CD/DVD or BD and not how singer was singing in studio. How its recorded is a total different story.What you are pointing is the recordings and techniques used.I am telling the second part at AVR level.Whenever I judge the sound quality,I always play a music/video file in many ways.I use Headphone,I use sound card.Compare with AVR out,also AVR Phone out.To me Yamaha sound is reliable in given options(Denon....).If I am putting impression by saying "Natural sound"as out of world(very real),its only possible if a CD/DVD/BD is recorded in that way.

How come confidently you say that recording is right? Have you been to any recording event? Which artist you heard unamplified live? I mean u heard the artist - heard his recording - check recording on your system - and say that is "CORRECT" reproduction..

In amplified sound I have been to concerts of Ghulam Ali and I can say that NOTHING beats that experience.

Or we have number of people who play particular instrument and that is why can comment on certain sound with an authority ... so tell us which instrument sound is faitfully receated...

And you NOT EVEN says Recording - you say "NATURAL" which can be defined as existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind... so tell me your natural experience first and then say how faithfully it is recreated on your AVR.

Or else it is YOUR perception , without experiencing or even knowing what natural is

 

[spirovious]

And you NOT EVEN says Recording - you say "NATURAL" which can be defined as existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind... so tell me your natural experience first and then say how faithfully it is recreated on your AVR.

Or else it is YOUR perception , without experiencing or even knowing what natural is

I have already explained my views and never claimed that Yamaha is doing special.Repeating 3rd time,in given options only I am saying Yamaha is better.Lets meet one day and check in details.
I have only attended Indian events.The live experience is certainly different.We have limitations at Home and we need to get better options.Journey continues.
If someone can recorded in better way,the result will be far better.
The question of FM was simple ".Actually I like Balanced and Natural Sound....Not Too much bright & not Warm." and so my answer was.
Lets ask him what he expects by "Natural sound".

 

[hemantwaghe]

But on what basis you say YO KNOW what is Balanced and Natural Sound ?
One can say that YOUR definition of Balanced and Natural Sound is totally wrong - it is just a perception....YOUR PERCEPTION....

Your references are weak ( good recorded material according to YOU ) where you never seen "Master " or "the Process" so how dou KNOW recording is right ? IT IS JUST A FEELING....

 

[spirovious]

But on what basis you say YO KNOW what is Balanced and Natural Sound ?
One can say that YOUR definition of Balanced and Natural Sound is totally wrong - it is just a perception....YOUR PERCEPTION....

Your references are weak ( good recorded material according to YOU ) where you never seen "Master " or "the Process" so how dou KNOW recording is right ? IT IS JUST A FEELING....

Let me know yours views of Natural sound. Dont be so technical as its not what I am talking about.Which AVR do you like personally?Whats your answer to the FM question?

 

[vnmathur57]

Does natural sound really exist in the audio world? The moment a singers voice or an instruments sound is recorded on a media, coloration is already done, as recording technicians make lot of adjustments in those banks of mixers while recording, to give us a presentable track on the media. Many people like AV systems with good bass, some like good midrange. How come? The track should sound as it was recorded or, one adjusts the controls to his personal likings. IMO, natural sound exists in live performances only.

 

[hemantwaghe]

Does natural sound really exist in the audio world? The moment a singers voice or an instruments sound is recorded on a media, coloration is already done, as recording technicians make lot of adjustments in those banks of mixers while recording, to give us a presentable track on the media. Many people like AV systems with good bass, some like good midrange. How come? The track should sound as it was recorded or, one adjusts the controls to his personal likings. IMO, natural sound exists in live performances only.

Right said
that is what I am saying .. also things become murkier in AVRs where people test with sounds of thunder , gunshot ,blasts etc
Now in reality these sounds are unpalatable or more harmful..

So how come it is natural?

Also for music or spoken word too these words used too liberally ... unless you hear the singer in person only then you can comment whether the reproduction ( system output ) is true to the source.. or else it is just YOUR PERCEPTION of sound where you may like "processed" sound ... no harm in that --- you must buy WHAT U LIKE


@spiro I do not know what is natural sound . really and in some cases I do not want to know how gunshots , bomb blasts , building collapses ,weapons , jet engines , choppers , cars chasing at 250 kmph sound ...i do not want to turn deaf or play with my life ! I will like to experience "romanticized" and "stylised" approximation of sound output which I LIKE ...

 

[kneo]

I am sure the OP is wondering what happened to his original request

 

[hemantwaghe]

Least he will know "trust noone - only yourself!"