J Play 5.1 - 2 Box on Win 8 with ULTRA Mode & Hibernate ON
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
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@Sidvee - Congrats on your purchase. Hope to hear it in the next audio meet :yahoo:
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@Sidvee - Congrats on your purchase. Hope to hear it in the next audio meet :yahoo:
Thad E Ginathom
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
Nikhil, good idea. But we have many audio nonsense threads. Perhaps this could be tacked on/ Or made into a biggest audio nonsenses thread.
Bhagwan, you probably contribute more than most of us to the audio industry economy than many of the rest of us put together. I understand the urge to experiment, even to try the unlikely just in case, but you, and others, could contribute to the cause of honesty, decency and sanity by not buying such items.
Even a junior in any tech or IT dept could tell you that there is no way that a network cable can change the sound. Our engineers can explain why better than I can (a jack-of-all-trades systems manager, and not a hardware expert, let alone much of a theorist) but it is so obvious that it barely takes any need to justify. The onus of justification (scientific explanation, and not pseudo science either) should be on the sellers. But it is impossible. Of course, I haven't looked, but I I cannot imagine that they have any relevant proper measurements to offer.
So, even the techie kids know that this cannot and will not work --- but some pernicious marketing man can introduce doubt into the minds of rational adults that maybe. And that maybe is enough to make them spend their money. It's like sending cash to Nigeria-scam emailers! The purpose of these cables is single: transmitting cash to the seller. Fake viagra would be a better buy and, given the magic of the placebo effect, would probably work, too!
I continue to use the word criminal.
Nikhil, good idea. But we have many audio nonsense threads. Perhaps this could be tacked on/ Or made into a biggest audio nonsenses thread.
omg. I know that the myth exists on the internet, I didn't know that anyone had done anything about it.
Bhagwan, you probably contribute more than most of us to the audio industry economy than many of the rest of us put together. I understand the urge to experiment, even to try the unlikely just in case, but you, and others, could contribute to the cause of honesty, decency and sanity by not buying such items.
Even a junior in any tech or IT dept could tell you that there is no way that a network cable can change the sound. Our engineers can explain why better than I can (a jack-of-all-trades systems manager, and not a hardware expert, let alone much of a theorist) but it is so obvious that it barely takes any need to justify. The onus of justification (scientific explanation, and not pseudo science either) should be on the sellers. But it is impossible. Of course, I haven't looked, but I I cannot imagine that they have any relevant proper measurements to offer.
So, even the techie kids know that this cannot and will not work --- but some pernicious marketing man can introduce doubt into the minds of rational adults that maybe. And that maybe is enough to make them spend their money. It's like sending cash to Nigeria-scam emailers! The purpose of these cables is single: transmitting cash to the seller. Fake viagra would be a better buy and, given the magic of the placebo effect, would probably work, too!
I continue to use the word criminal.
bhagwan
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
a]
Sidvee - I am sorry - I too propose this thread to be split - how / from where - please do decide; Shall Appreciate.
b]
Certain basic things;
1 - I do NOT KNOW if the Cat 7 Cable will make any differance;
I am just ordering it - so that I can give it a try. Only if I use, will I know.
2 - If the Cable change does not affect the sound - I will endorse all that you say - criminal / honest / nigerian / viagra etc. etc.
3 - I have not used any Hi- End [so called] Ethernet Cable as yet - so I will reserve my comments - until I have.
4 - I know I have tried USB Cables - 5 + of them - more than 2 + years back & each cable sounded different to my ears.
Therefore, I am giving this a try - maybe there is no change in the sound - if there is no +ve more - I will report it - if there is a -ve move - I will report that too.
5 - kindly be a bit patient - let the product come to me - I will install it & then will report on it.
6 - any / all FM's are welcome for a 'blind' test @ my place - doors are open.
This 'branch' off [OT] was done by me - with Sidvee's permission to comment on 2 Computer with J Play Mini version - '[02.04.2013] JPLAY v5.1 adds new ULTRAStream playback Engine for Windows 8.'
This made a huge change to the sound in my set up for the better - it was too much of a change not to talk about / report - hence I wrote about it - just to share with all - so that all can try it - trust me - really woth the money spent;;;
I am truly sorry - if I have hurt any persons 'sensibilities'
I have no intent of offending anyone or any person.
Have a Super Weekend - one that is filled with music;;;
God Bless;
:clapping:
a]
Sidvee - I am sorry - I too propose this thread to be split - how / from where - please do decide; Shall Appreciate.
b]
Certain basic things;
1 - I do NOT KNOW if the Cat 7 Cable will make any differance;
I am just ordering it - so that I can give it a try. Only if I use, will I know.
2 - If the Cable change does not affect the sound - I will endorse all that you say - criminal / honest / nigerian / viagra etc. etc.
3 - I have not used any Hi- End [so called] Ethernet Cable as yet - so I will reserve my comments - until I have.
4 - I know I have tried USB Cables - 5 + of them - more than 2 + years back & each cable sounded different to my ears.
Therefore, I am giving this a try - maybe there is no change in the sound - if there is no +ve more - I will report it - if there is a -ve move - I will report that too.
5 - kindly be a bit patient - let the product come to me - I will install it & then will report on it.
6 - any / all FM's are welcome for a 'blind' test @ my place - doors are open.
This 'branch' off [OT] was done by me - with Sidvee's permission to comment on 2 Computer with J Play Mini version - '[02.04.2013] JPLAY v5.1 adds new ULTRAStream playback Engine for Windows 8.'
This made a huge change to the sound in my set up for the better - it was too much of a change not to talk about / report - hence I wrote about it - just to share with all - so that all can try it - trust me - really woth the money spent;;;
I am truly sorry - if I have hurt any persons 'sensibilities'
I have no intent of offending anyone or any person.
Have a Super Weekend - one that is filled with music;;;
God Bless;
:clapping:
Re: Ayon Skylla II
Bhagwan, I have to say that you are a rare type - your ruthless approach to your audio journey needs no explanation or apologies. I still can't get over the fact that you had the balls to try and better a dCS stack and (going by your feedback) have actually achieved it.
Thad, we can all understand your position but there was a time when digital was considered "perfect" and jitter was not known. Its guys like Bhagwan who push the theories by testing and actual observation. Its expensive but if he has the cajones to try something based on a hunch we all benefit. Who knows if he's onto something we might chance on to the next big discussion in network audio!
My suggestion to split the thread is so that we can expand on this discussion without treading on Sid's original post.
Bhagwan, I have to say that you are a rare type - your ruthless approach to your audio journey needs no explanation or apologies. I still can't get over the fact that you had the balls to try and better a dCS stack and (going by your feedback) have actually achieved it.
Thad, we can all understand your position but there was a time when digital was considered "perfect" and jitter was not known. Its guys like Bhagwan who push the theories by testing and actual observation. Its expensive but if he has the cajones to try something based on a hunch we all benefit. Who knows if he's onto something we might chance on to the next big discussion in network audio!
My suggestion to split the thread is so that we can expand on this discussion without treading on Sid's original post.
Thad E Ginathom
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
As I say, sometimes the implausible turns out true. Over the past couple of years I've learnt a lot about cables and stuff that I never knew, and I am still finding out why and why not about certain cable features ...but networking, no, that's not audio.
Sadly, the interest shown suggests that here we have a myth that will run, and some people will always pay the price, just in case.
Of course not! No offence at all. But I am offended that this stuff even exists in the world. Yes, it makes me angry ...and I'll shut up now.
In this instance, I know, as do many others
As I say, sometimes the implausible turns out true. Over the past couple of years I've learnt a lot about cables and stuff that I never knew, and I am still finding out why and why not about certain cable features ...but networking, no, that's not audio.
Sadly, the interest shown suggests that here we have a myth that will run, and some people will always pay the price, just in case.
Of course not! No offence at all. But I am offended that this stuff even exists in the world. Yes, it makes me angry ...and I'll shut up now.
anm
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
huge changes happen with each upgrade. wow!!! I wonder if the reproduced sound becomes better than recording after 3-4 HUGE changes? can kumar sanu sound better than kishore kumar on this system? or atif aslam will be better on this system than mohd rafi on a radio?
huge changes happen with each upgrade. wow!!! I wonder if the reproduced sound becomes better than recording after 3-4 HUGE changes? can kumar sanu sound better than kishore kumar on this system? or atif aslam will be better on this system than mohd rafi on a radio?
anm
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
has anyone thought enough about the air between speakers and ears? If silver wire for sata can do a huge upgrade, I am sure that filtering air, or removing it altogether is going to be the hugestest change ever in audio history. Imagine, no air - means very high noise floor, no port noises, no fan noises - just bliss.
has anyone thought enough about the air between speakers and ears? If silver wire for sata can do a huge upgrade, I am sure that filtering air, or removing it altogether is going to be the hugestest change ever in audio history. Imagine, no air - means very high noise floor, no port noises, no fan noises - just bliss.
bhagwan
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
@ Nikhil - Thanks for those words - I appreciate it;
I need to make some basic clarifications;
a]
The dCS Scarlatti is very very hard to beat; 3 box config with RME Card i.e.
The DAD AX-24 cannot beat the dCS Scarlatti.
THIS HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD & ACCEPTED.
b]
I sold the dCS Scarlatti for Financial Reasons - if I could afford to have it - I would have 100 % kept it - no 2 ways about that.
It is still the best Digital front end I have ever heard - period.
The Vivaldi may be better - but I have not heard it - missed a chance in Munich with the Avalon & Transparent rig;
c]
OT - The Stahl Tek - Opus is the 2nd best digital front end I have ever heard & the Ypsilon [Greece] Transport & DAC is the most musical digital front end I ever heard.
d]
The Improvement in my sound has happened due to a change in the Transport - Computer Audio.
Now, if I had the dCS Scarlatti with these 2 computers - what would have happened - I do not even want to imagine that...:licklips:
e]
I still want to say & state - what I have done is a 'gamble' [7 up / 7 down]
All logic dictates that Ethernet Cable should not make any difference to the sound;
Mostly it will not - but maybe it will;
Therefore I am giving it a try;
I was to buy the Audio Quest Diamond Cable - but it was just too expensive for me - so I watered down my need & will try what I have ordered;;;
@ Nikhil - Thanks for those words - I appreciate it;
I need to make some basic clarifications;
a]
The dCS Scarlatti is very very hard to beat; 3 box config with RME Card i.e.
The DAD AX-24 cannot beat the dCS Scarlatti.
THIS HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD & ACCEPTED.
b]
I sold the dCS Scarlatti for Financial Reasons - if I could afford to have it - I would have 100 % kept it - no 2 ways about that.
It is still the best Digital front end I have ever heard - period.
The Vivaldi may be better - but I have not heard it - missed a chance in Munich with the Avalon & Transparent rig;
c]
OT - The Stahl Tek - Opus is the 2nd best digital front end I have ever heard & the Ypsilon [Greece] Transport & DAC is the most musical digital front end I ever heard.
d]
The Improvement in my sound has happened due to a change in the Transport - Computer Audio.
Now, if I had the dCS Scarlatti with these 2 computers - what would have happened - I do not even want to imagine that...:licklips:
e]
I still want to say & state - what I have done is a 'gamble' [7 up / 7 down]
All logic dictates that Ethernet Cable should not make any difference to the sound;
Mostly it will not - but maybe it will;
Therefore I am giving it a try;
I was to buy the Audio Quest Diamond Cable - but it was just too expensive for me - so I watered down my need & will try what I have ordered;;;
bhagwan
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
Sir,
I do not believe in the link I am to post - but it may shed some light on what you talk about - try and read up on it - I have seen / heard it in operation - I may not have liked the result 'sonically' but it can change the sound;
Steinmusic H2 Harmonizers And Magic Stones A uniquely original approach to a better sounding listening room. Review By Wayne Donnelly
stein music harmonizers
Steinmusic Harmonizer's American Debut | Stereophile.com
Gentlemen - I have drifted - I apologise;
The issue here is not audio cables / data cables / ethernet cables etc.
All that is not important.
What am I trying to say & communicate to all of you ?
It is simple;
a]
The J Play Mini - Version 5.1 HAS to be Tried - Free Demo on Win 8 - Ultra Mode with Hibernate ON
b]
It has been a huge change in sound - for the better to my ears.
c]
I was a Foobar - ASIO & J River Event Style @ 25ms person for 4 + years.
Now, I have shifted to what I stated above & there is no looking back.
This entire OT started off to add to & to help Sidvee to improve on what he has purchased;
A great DAC was purchased by him & it was to be used with a computer - that is what I understood.
Now that computer imho can / could be improved upon - therefore I posted about the 2 computer set up.
We got dragged into SATA Cable Cat 7 Cable etc.
All that is not tested & therefore the outcome is not known - so why are we going into it - let us drop that.
I just want ever computer audio person to give this 2 machine set up a chance - listen & then decide...J Play Version 5.1
That is all that my humble submission is;;
:licklips:
Thanks All.
Let us try and be +ve - we will all gain from this - no one has any commercial angle in any of this - we are here to share experiences & listening test inferences - so that we all get wiser & can get a better result from the music that we love so much;
:sad:
Sir,
I do not believe in the link I am to post - but it may shed some light on what you talk about - try and read up on it - I have seen / heard it in operation - I may not have liked the result 'sonically' but it can change the sound;
Steinmusic H2 Harmonizers And Magic Stones A uniquely original approach to a better sounding listening room. Review By Wayne Donnelly
stein music harmonizers
Steinmusic Harmonizer's American Debut | Stereophile.com
Gentlemen - I have drifted - I apologise;
The issue here is not audio cables / data cables / ethernet cables etc.
All that is not important.
What am I trying to say & communicate to all of you ?
It is simple;
a]
The J Play Mini - Version 5.1 HAS to be Tried - Free Demo on Win 8 - Ultra Mode with Hibernate ON
b]
It has been a huge change in sound - for the better to my ears.
c]
I was a Foobar - ASIO & J River Event Style @ 25ms person for 4 + years.
Now, I have shifted to what I stated above & there is no looking back.
This entire OT started off to add to & to help Sidvee to improve on what he has purchased;
A great DAC was purchased by him & it was to be used with a computer - that is what I understood.
Now that computer imho can / could be improved upon - therefore I posted about the 2 computer set up.
We got dragged into SATA Cable Cat 7 Cable etc.
All that is not tested & therefore the outcome is not known - so why are we going into it - let us drop that.
I just want ever computer audio person to give this 2 machine set up a chance - listen & then decide...J Play Version 5.1
That is all that my humble submission is;;
:licklips:
Thanks All.
Let us try and be +ve - we will all gain from this - no one has any commercial angle in any of this - we are here to share experiences & listening test inferences - so that we all get wiser & can get a better result from the music that we love so much;
:sad:
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bhagwan
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
Sir,
Let me start by stating that I am 'impressed' - with a few things;
a] You do 'read' what people write on this forum - super.
b] You should be a 'judge' on a Q & A - Beauty Pageant - just kiddin;;
c] I was under the impression that I was putting in this effort & the intent of what I wanted to get across was getting lost; Thank You - I would be most glad to address your question.
The ST-Opus is a brilliant product - as a 'set' !
No 2 ways about it.
It does an excellent job of data extraction from a CD & represents it in 100 % Audiophile manner. It was designed with only 1 intent - to play in a high end audiophile set up & that is all....
The Ypsilon is a combination that was designed for a 100 % music lover - no audiophilic intentions - what so ever;
If you listen to Chamber Music - Solo Piano - Small ensembles & you want to get 1 with the performance - this is the CD Player for you. Very Musical.
This is the only CD Player in the world I would say is 'analogue sounding' & mind you - I am not a lover of Analogue by a mile & 3/4th - except the Cobra + Continuum etc. [I could write an essay on that topic - separate issue]
So there you have a 'break down' of the 2 CD Players.
However, I still have not answered your question - what would I choose;
Before I tell you what I would choose - let me tell you why I would not be in a position to use / choose any of these;
a]
I have stopped using a CD Player - 4 years back
b]
I have my CD's [not sold a single] but I do not know where they are [i.e. how they are filled] & I would never be in a position to find a song & play it as and when I wanted to - computer & ipad has 'spoilt' me
c]
None of the 2 DAC's can work without its partner - I have tried. They have to go together; It is a long explanation & I can get into it - but will bore you & others - call me & we will talk on it - if you are keen to know. I am serious...
d]
The Player of my Choice / Lust as of now is a Swiss Machine that is made by Request & it is called The Beast - this is the best & the most sophisticated computer based - transport / server / interface that I have ever heard;
Request is a video server maker from USA but the Swiss Distributor has developed this machine / box & boy is it brilliant - 35K Euro is list - so that is a huge [mammoth] road block.
But, if I had to have a wish in audio granted - this would it;
:yahoo:
Thanks again for reading all these meanderings....:clapping:
Sir,
Let me start by stating that I am 'impressed' - with a few things;
a] You do 'read' what people write on this forum - super.
b] You should be a 'judge' on a Q & A - Beauty Pageant - just kiddin;;
c] I was under the impression that I was putting in this effort & the intent of what I wanted to get across was getting lost; Thank You - I would be most glad to address your question.
The ST-Opus is a brilliant product - as a 'set' !
No 2 ways about it.
It does an excellent job of data extraction from a CD & represents it in 100 % Audiophile manner. It was designed with only 1 intent - to play in a high end audiophile set up & that is all....
The Ypsilon is a combination that was designed for a 100 % music lover - no audiophilic intentions - what so ever;
If you listen to Chamber Music - Solo Piano - Small ensembles & you want to get 1 with the performance - this is the CD Player for you. Very Musical.
This is the only CD Player in the world I would say is 'analogue sounding' & mind you - I am not a lover of Analogue by a mile & 3/4th - except the Cobra + Continuum etc. [I could write an essay on that topic - separate issue]
So there you have a 'break down' of the 2 CD Players.
However, I still have not answered your question - what would I choose;
Before I tell you what I would choose - let me tell you why I would not be in a position to use / choose any of these;
a]
I have stopped using a CD Player - 4 years back
b]
I have my CD's [not sold a single] but I do not know where they are [i.e. how they are filled] & I would never be in a position to find a song & play it as and when I wanted to - computer & ipad has 'spoilt' me
c]
None of the 2 DAC's can work without its partner - I have tried. They have to go together; It is a long explanation & I can get into it - but will bore you & others - call me & we will talk on it - if you are keen to know. I am serious...
d]
The Player of my Choice / Lust as of now is a Swiss Machine that is made by Request & it is called The Beast - this is the best & the most sophisticated computer based - transport / server / interface that I have ever heard;
Request is a video server maker from USA but the Swiss Distributor has developed this machine / box & boy is it brilliant - 35K Euro is list - so that is a huge [mammoth] road block.
But, if I had to have a wish in audio granted - this would it;
:yahoo:
Thanks again for reading all these meanderings....:clapping:
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bhagwan
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Re: Ayon Skylla II
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It is the Best Music Server / Computer Transport - I have ever heard - not heard too many - but this was the 'best' of the lost;
This is the Player I would get for my own system;;
This is my dream machine ; if ever it could come my way...
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It is the Best Music Server / Computer Transport - I have ever heard - not heard too many - but this was the 'best' of the lost;
This is the Player I would get for my own system;;
bhagwan
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re: J Play 5.1 - 2 Box on Win 8 with ULTRA Mode & Hibernate ON
Sir,
I am not so sure if I understood your comment correctly;
You asked what I would choose between the ST-Opus & the Ypsillon & I said 'neither'
None can work for me.
Therefore I supplied you with an answer - what can work for me - The Request The Beast;
If I have missed some 'nuance' in your question - kindly shed some light - yellow button on the lapels;;
Hi,
I wonder if you did really ' read' my question.
Why am I reminded of Paul Klipsch and his famous yellow button?
Regards
Rajiv
Sir,
I am not so sure if I understood your comment correctly;
You asked what I would choose between the ST-Opus & the Ypsillon & I said 'neither'
None can work for me.
Therefore I supplied you with an answer - what can work for me - The Request The Beast;
If I have missed some 'nuance' in your question - kindly shed some light - yellow button on the lapels;;
bhagwan
Well-Known Member
Re: Ayon Skylla II
Exceptional Digital Front End Solution...:licklips:
In My System i.e.
3 box - DAC + Upsampler + Clock [Siltech G-7 Firefire Cable & Bertram Proxima BNC Digital Cables - Echole Obsession Power Cords]
I would prefer my old dCS Scarlatti;
Exceptional Digital Front End Solution...:licklips:
In My System i.e.
3 box - DAC + Upsampler + Clock [Siltech G-7 Firefire Cable & Bertram Proxima BNC Digital Cables - Echole Obsession Power Cords]
re: J Play 5.1 - 2 Box on Win 8 with ULTRA Mode & Hibernate ON
All I can say after reading this is one needs to have an open mind. Pre conceived notions aside, computer based audio is a nascent field. I am learning and right now am commiting bigger and bigger sums of money, as I move on, and at the stage I am in, my setup handily beats Cd playback from an ayon Cd2 s, which is a $ 6500 player. Just as Bhagwan, I experimented with usb cables ( actually had a thread in hfv, for which there was huge derision and ridicule). Regardless I plowed on (settled on a $6o audioquest usb cable btw, and I will be the first to admit that in my system I hear more of a difference with coax rather than usb), and I believe I am getting somewhere now. Mine is a different path, where I am concentrating on isolating the usb to coax conversion outside the computer device entirely with its own power and clock. Now Bhagwan has indicated a different method. Perhaps I will try it, perhaps not, but I will keep an open mind, and make an attempt to atleast try and audition it, before making any judgements.
Cheers,
Sid
All I can say after reading this is one needs to have an open mind. Pre conceived notions aside, computer based audio is a nascent field. I am learning and right now am commiting bigger and bigger sums of money, as I move on, and at the stage I am in, my setup handily beats Cd playback from an ayon Cd2 s, which is a $ 6500 player. Just as Bhagwan, I experimented with usb cables ( actually had a thread in hfv, for which there was huge derision and ridicule). Regardless I plowed on (settled on a $6o audioquest usb cable btw, and I will be the first to admit that in my system I hear more of a difference with coax rather than usb), and I believe I am getting somewhere now. Mine is a different path, where I am concentrating on isolating the usb to coax conversion outside the computer device entirely with its own power and clock. Now Bhagwan has indicated a different method. Perhaps I will try it, perhaps not, but I will keep an open mind, and make an attempt to atleast try and audition it, before making any judgements.
Cheers,
Sid
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