Multi strand CAT5/6 wire

atharva

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I'm trying to get my hands on a 22 or 24AWG multi strand wire to rewire my preamp, phono and DAC. Changing the layout.

From one of the previous threads I found that a Cat 5/6 cable will work but is not guaranteed to be multi-strand. I picked up 2 cables (DLink and Belkin) only to realise they are single stranded and difficult to work with. No one locally has multi-strand CAT5/6 wire and I tried Kiran Sales in mumbai but they don't have it in stock either.

Does anyone know where to get it online? If not I hope 22AWG is fine too and I suspect it will be even easier to work with? Any recommendations on where to get a 22AWG? Kiran does not have that in stock either.
 
Use pro audio balanced cable. Multi stranded CATx cables are same/similar to what you'll find in pro audio cables. Personally, after trying various wires including OFC single stranded CATx wires, different makes of pro audio cables of pure copper as well as tinned copper multi strands, I prefer the sound of tinned copper wires. I use Helusound AES DMX cables extensively nowadays.

http://www.hifivision.com/diy/59385-kuartlotron-error-correcting-super-buffer-31.html#post689294
 
Joshua, can you send me the link to the exact product? Where do you get these and for how much?
 
Source is Promedia in Mumbai. I think one meter costs about Rs 85-90 (IIRC). Number +91 22 2635 4891. They will ship outstation.
 
@atharva: since you're proposing to rewire your circuit, do check out the wiring diagram I made on this page:

http://www.hifivision.com/diy/53964-dcb1-build-27.html

I do believe these are best practices for lowest noise. Also included is the ground isolation circuit for the PSU. On my latest amp build, I've also Incorporated extra RC filtering at the RCA input socket itself. I've used R and C values for about 235 kHz cut off, which is more than a decade higher than the highest audio frequency. I've seen others use even higher cut off like 400+ kHz.

Also, if you go back a couple of pages on the link given I've described why I chosen the Helusound AES DMX cable for internal wiring. I've tried others too, but found the Helusound subjectively the best sounding.
 
@Audiodoc, they only had solid core wire. Any other online (Indian) stores can I try?

@Joshua, yes, this is to reduce noise. Thanks for the link. What values of R & C did you choose for RC filter and how have you wired it? I'm having noise issues with the phono. The DAC is dead silent. I'm going a bit OT myself but it is a weird problem.

1. No phono cable connected (unbalanced). No hiss/noise from speakers. Volume is at 9-10 o'clock.
2. Connect phono cable WITH OR WITHOUT the cartridge there is significant hissing noise (not hum). This is high quality silver tonearm wire. If I connect older tonearm cable a shielded copper wire there is significantly less hiss. Looks like the silver wire is very sensitive and probably needs a copper braid shield or a filter like you described.

BTW, are you guys using 22 or 24 gauge?
 
The input RCA filter is here:
Low Pass Filter - Passive RC Filter Tutorial

Calculation is:

fc = 1/[2?RC]

One has to assume at least one of the above variables. For example, if we assume fc of about 200 kHz, and let's say we have a capacitor of 100 pF, then we can calculate value of R. Typically R is between 3.3K to 10K. Using a standard R value of 6.8K, we get about 225 kHz.

This value is not sacred. What input RC filter does is cut off induced RF energy which could be any frequency. Without proper test tools it's not possible to determine whether there actually is induced RF frequency at some frequency, say, 400 kHz. Every installation is different and the interfering frequency, if any, will be unique to that installation. We're, at best, taking a shot in the dark in the absence of proper test tools. One may ask why bother with such a high frequency? We should consider the wide bandwidths of modern line level preamps, or even amplifiers which stretch to MHz range. Now if there is an unwanted signal at say 400 kHz, it is going to do two things - first, it will consume some of the energy of the preamp/amp. We want to amplify only the audio signal and not waste energy in amplifying some spurious frequency. Second, it's going to produce an infinite series of harmonics below and above 400 kHz, and some of those harmonics will fall in the audio band, causing interference to the actual audio signal. The interaction between the undesired harmonic and actual audio frequency will produce it's own set of harmonics. This is inter modulation distortion. The amplitude of the harmonic that falls in the audio band is probably quite small already, and the corresponding IM distortion will also be quite small, but our ears are very sensitive to any sort of distortion, so it's best to kick out that source of distortion.

But this filter may not help reduce hiss in your analog chain if the noise is electrically induced. The analog chain, starting with tonearm wiring and grounding, needs to be carefully studied. In my limited experience, even well shielded tonearm cable from tonearm base to phono preamp can be very prone to electrically induced noise, especially if the cable passes near power cables or other electronics. One easy way to check if this is the source of your noise is to move the cable as far away as possible from nearby power cables and electronic gears. Have another person listen close to the speaker drivers while you move the cables. No need to play record to check. We're interested in the noise when nothing is playing. If the hiss level is high, you will hear drastic drop in hiss level as you move it away from the source of interference. As far as I recall, this type of induced noise does not change its volume when volume is turned up. It's just there irrespective of volume level. Personally I accept that phono preamp output will not be as silent as a line level output like CD or DAC. I think it's realistic to accept some amount of noise from most phono preamps. If it's dead quiet, then that's very nice, but probably not attainable unless one takes some extreme steps.

PS: shielded wire highly recommended for phono applications.
PS2: 22/24 AWG shouldn't make a world of difference. Most pro cables are either 22 or 24. 24 is easier to use when you have to insert a wire to a hole in a circuit board.
 
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Source is Promedia in Mumbai. I think one meter costs about Rs 85-90 (IIRC). Number +91 22 2635 4891. They will ship outstation.

Sorry for the OT. Do they also have cables for internal wiring of speakers? I wanted to buy some for the GRR speakers. I had used the one supplied by Danny is too rigid and very difficult to work with.
 
Use the supplied solid core wire, Capt. That's a very high quality Teflon insulated OFC.

We tested the speaker box after fixing xovers and the drivers when the raw boxes were just made; the supplied wires are so rigid that we feared that it would get ripped off the PCB. Hence was looking for alternative. Will test once more and see.
 
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