Online customs duty calculator (detailed)

The indian govt duty calculator does not work if you do not know the CTH number and there is no easy search to see which one would apply.

I was reviewing the customs act and their notification from 2013 and they agreed the HS code for loud speakers with single woofer and tweeter should be 85182200. The basic duty is 10%, countervailing duty called CVD (applied to discourage dumping) of 12.5%, 4% additional CVD, education cess of 2% and secondary education cess of 1% (wonder if the education cess is really routed for education purposes).
The total rate is 29.5%
 
My parcel was sent on 22nd April to the customs . There is no entry on the tracking web page by customs indicating that it was received ! Till today , May 9th there has been no entry on the tracking page. If I call (like I did last time ) I'll get a polite standard reply that it's at customs and will take another two weeks for clearance. Last time after the entry showing 'sent to customs' , there were no other entries on the tracking page even after delivery !

This was not the case a year ago. Every single movement was recorded including "out for delivery" ! Wonder what has happened and who should be informed about the lapse in operation.
 
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The indian govt duty calculator does not work if you do not know the CTH number and there is no easy search to see which one would apply.

I was reviewing the customs act and their notification from 2013 and they agreed the HS code for loud speakers with single woofer and tweeter should be 85182200.

What would be the HS Code for individual drivers? Could you provide some link?
 
My class D kit was delivered today ( May18 th). Duty was Rs1,328 + Rs 30 postal delivery.
The duty is 41% of declared cost ( US$50/-). The cost is correct and the HS code for pcb was mentioned on the cover ( HS 8534 ) .
The web site says TOTAL duty is 17.39 % for HS 8534 ( and even for electronic parts ) .
There is 0% duty ! , but there is CVD etc.

I plan to meet the customs officer to ask why there is a discrepancy with the web duty calculator and what is actually charged. We should know this.

Does anyone know somebody in the postal customs or customs ( imports section).
 
Duty should have been 548 only. 17.39% in total.

Seems like they have incorrectly calculated it, unless ofcourse the web duty calculator is wrong in the first place.

The website is again https://www.icegate.gov.in and look for the customs duty calculator link on the right.
 
Indian customs charges multiple fees and taxes totalling up to as much as 33%. Yes, it is very expensive to import electronics. So the key to look for good bargains, in order to realize more value for the total spend inclusive of shipping and customs duty. The chart shared by Raj is correct. However, when I set out to buy stuff, I remembered one piece of golden advise shared by FM Santhosh (don't see him around these days on the forum) when I had the good fortune of visiting him in Bangalore, sometime ago - "Don't venture out into importing high-end stuff if you don't have the money to spend". Hence when I set out to acquire my Garrards and Technics turntables, I was aware of the high customs duty but did not really pay much attention to it :)
 
My class D kit was delivered today ( May18 th). Duty was Rs1,328 + Rs 30 postal delivery.
The duty is 41% of declared cost ( US$50/-). The cost is correct and the HS code for pcb was mentioned on the cover ( HS 8534 ) .
The web site says TOTAL duty is 17.39 % for HS 8534 ( and even for electronic parts ) .
There is 0% duty ! , but there is CVD etc.

I plan to meet the customs officer to ask why there is a discrepancy with the web duty calculator and what is actually charged. We should know this.

The Customs PAD assesses 41% duty for almost any populated board, regardless of function. It's largely a matter of the whim and fancy of the appraiser.

BTW, if you thought that importing stuff was painful, try exporting electronics - that's where stuff gets *really* painful. Most Post Office parcel counters will refuse to accept anything containing electronics or semiconductors in it for Airmail shipment, on the pretext that they are "dangerous and prohibited" items. If you challenge them to produce a circular or ruling to that effect, they won't be able to produce it - there is no such circular. The pretext was invented by someone in some post office somewhere on a misinterpretation of the ban on *batteries* inside appliances that are shipped by airmail only, and extended to cover all electronics.

Some of the NRI investors who're getting into Electronics Assemblies based on "Make in India" are going to get some nasty logistics surprises when they try to ship stuff out. But then again, it was never stated to be "Export from India", only "Make in India".

In comparison, exporters of small electronics sub-assemblies in China have a choice of multiple shippers (China Post, SwissPost, Deutsche Post, etc.) offering small packet electronics shipping at ridiculously low prices - that's how free Airmail shipping of EBay merchandise from China is so common. Things are so streamlined there that their bubble envelopes for shipping small electronics come pre-printed with customs form CN22 on the reverse, sometimes with the HS code and value already filled in with standard values ($1 to $20).

Compare that with IndiaPost, where the CN22/23 form is a long-wided declaration-form approximately the size of an A4 sheet of paper, and which cannot even be attached easily to the outside of the envelope.

A Chinese exporter in Shenzhen would have bulk-shipped maybe 1000 packages around the world in the same time as the desi exporter takes to stand in a queue at a single parcel counter, fill in a form CN23, argue with the counter clerk, etc.
 
Mr. Modi should really look into the customs operations. Why would any govt include shipping charges for customs duty assessment? As lame as it can get.
 
Mr. Modi should really look into the customs operations. Why would any govt include shipping charges for customs duty assessment? As lame as it can get.

Lame for sure, but probably done to prevent any loss of revenue from underinvoicing the price of the goods, and inflating the shipping charges. For example, instead of the correct value of say $40 + $10 shipping, the item could be declared (with the help of the shipper) as $10 + $40 shipping, thus causing the value of the goods to be understated for the purpose of assessing customs duty. By charging duty on the CIF value, this particular loophole is covered.

I don't think NaMo has the time for looking into customs, logistics and other nitty-gritty, in his short stop-overs in Delhi between his overseas trips to address the diaspora who are among the largest contributors to the remittances kitty - some $80B+ last FY. They have to be kept in a warm fuzzy with things like "Bullet Trains", "Smart Cities" and "Make in India", so that they can keep the inward cash flow coming in smoothly.
 
Lame for sure, but probably done to prevent any loss of revenue from underinvoicing the price of the goods, and inflating the shipping charges. For example, instead of the correct value of say $40 + $10 shipping, the item could be declared (with the help of the shipper) as $10 + $40 shipping, thus causing the value of the goods to be understated for the purpose of assessing customs duty. By charging duty on the CIF value, this particular loophole is covered.

I don't think NaMo has the time for looking into customs, logistics and other nitty-gritty, in his short stop-overs in Delhi between his overseas trips to address the diaspora who are among the largest contributors to the remittances kitty - some $80B+ last FY. They have to be kept in a warm fuzzy with things like "Bullet Trains", "Smart Cities" and "Make in India", so that they can keep the inward cash flow coming in smoothly.

Bullet trains are absolutely useless for India (track problems, maintenance issues, super expensive). Smart cities are an absolute waste of money as well (nice cachet terms but so expensive that India cannot afford it no matter what it thinks).
Make in India is something that can be done but ports and roads infrastructure, taxation, transfer pricing rules, customs, duty structures, export and import norms have to be streamlined for it to happen and the giant in the room, corruption has to be curtailed significantly to make that happen, which we know is only increasing and will only go on the upward trend.
 
Bullet trains are absolutely useless for India (track problems, maintenance issues, super expensive). Smart cities are an absolute waste of money as well (nice cachet terms but so expensive that India cannot afford it no matter what it thinks).

+1 - Spot on. What we need is Bus Rapid Transport (BRT) from suburbs/exurbs into city centers, which will help to reduce the population pressures on existing old urban infrastructure of "dumb" cities and help make them a bit more livable. But all the netas prefer to push metro rail which is probably 20x as expensive per passenger-mile.

Make in India is something that can be done but ports and roads infrastructure, taxation, transfer pricing rules, customs, duty structures, export and import norms have to be streamlined for it to happen and the giant in the room, corruption has to be curtailed significantly to make that happen, which we know is only increasing and will only go on the upward trend.

There are a lot of supply-chain, logistics, warehousing, stocking, distribution, marketing and branding issues that have to be worked out as well - nobody is going to buy an unknown brand made in India when there are equivalent proven products of well-known brands available worldwide.
 
Forget about foreigners buying local products. Our own kind do not buy local products for bone headed reasons (brand recognition, society prestige, resale value, bragging rights, bias, inferiority complex etc). Namo had "Make in India" idea to make us buy our own.
 
.....Our own kind do not buy local products for bone headed reasons (brand recognition, society prestige, resale value, bragging rights, bias, inferiority complex etc)......

We do make some good components and MANY bad ones ! Many good one's get exported and bad ones sold here. Take for example semiconductors that are 'leaded' or encapsulated here.
The basic chips are imported ( must be the lowest grade !). The leads corrode super fast and do not even solder well at all . I have thrown away LOTS of BEl IC's and BC transistors just because of this. It impossible to understand why they don't use better material since by now they must have got feedback about the poor quality.
Now, if the semi's are made in India, I don't touch them. I don't have the time and spare cash to throw away.
I have very old ( over 20 year old ) Jap semi's ( and European ones ) that still solder very well today !

Maybe our guys need to learn to make GOOD stuff rather than to skimp on quality of raw material to keep prices down. It is the typical way things have been done with 'everything' in our country till now.
Can't paint every manufacturer with the same brush but many raw material manufacturers do have a problem of attitude even now.
In the 80's in Japan you 'couldn't' buy bad material. It is over 30 years on and we haven't learnt anything ?
 
... I have thrown away LOTS of BEl IC's and BC transistors just because of this. It impossible to understand why they don't use better material since by now they must have got feedback about the poor quality.

BEL had a monopoly on various semiconductors in India until 1985. After that, they couldn't sell anything except to Sarkari customers, where it doesn't matter whether things work or not - it will only be found out during the next war or whatever.

I have no recollection of buying any BEL ICs or transistors after about ~1990. I could however use some of their export-quality vacuum tubes made for Mullard, like E88CC with gold-plated pins. However, those haven't been manufactured since the late '80s or so - the only stock now available is from EBay vendors abroad. BEL still sells some TO-3 power transistors like the 2n3773, but they've been obsolete for years and only useful for maintenance of old equipment.

There have been other manufacturers of high-quality components also, but several have had to shut shop because they couldn't compete on price or their volume orders dried up. Saha-KEIL made some great Silver-Mica and Polystyrene capacitors with very tight tolerances like 1% or better, but they were perhaps priced too high, didn't sell and the company folded.
 
Once on a visit to the local Electronics Bazaar in Trivandrum, I got into a discussion with an old time store vendor who is known to me. He told me, right up to the early 2000s, gentlemen from Delhi used to visit them with electronics spares manufactured in Delhi, UP and Punjab. Since the mid-2000s, these gentlemen started coming by with Chinese made components, rebranded with local names. The local electronics vendors picked up the clue and some of them have joined together and have started directly importing components from China. I still recollect the BEL Germanium transistors AC127, AC128, AC187, AC188 (Rs.5.50/- a piece in 1988) and silicon transistors, especially the BC 147, BC148 and BC149 series (Rs.2/- a piece in 1988). Also remember the BEL CA810 IC (Rs.25/- in 1988). The last tube which I bought from this market was a BEL EL84 for Rs.35/- in 1990.

BEL had a monopoly on various semiconductors in India until 1985. After that, they couldn't sell anything except to Sarkari customers, where it doesn't matter whether things work or not - it will only be found out during the next war or whatever.

I have no recollection of buying any BEL ICs or transistors after about ~1990. I could however use some of their export-quality vacuum tubes made for Mullard, like E88CC with gold-plated pins. However, those haven't been manufactured since the late '80s or so - the only stock now available is from EBay vendors abroad. BEL still sells some TO-3 power transistors like the 2n3773, but they've been obsolete for years and only useful for maintenance of old equipment.

There have been other manufacturers of high-quality components also, but several have had to shut shop because they couldn't compete on price or their volume orders dried up. Saha-KEIL made some great Silver-Mica and Polystyrene capacitors with very tight tolerances like 1% or better, but they were perhaps priced too high, didn't sell and the company folded.
 
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It is not for the lack of skill here to develop but creating the right kind of environment and rewards so that stuff gets made here. (ISRO is a fine example, dedicated engineers and scientists have made it happen).

India does not need to export anything, if it can just supply its own massive market, then it would be in very good financial health (massive foreign exchange reserves). Did you know India imports 78% of its oil, 99% of its gold (the biggest foreign exchange leachers). We do not produce the printing machinery to print our currency notes. It is imported.
 
India does not need to export anything, if it can just supply its own massive market, then it would be in very good financial health (massive foreign exchange reserves). Did you know India imports 78% of its oil, 99% of its gold (the biggest foreign exchange leachers). We do not produce the printing machinery to print our currency notes. It is imported.

The notion that India doesn't need to export is falacious, and based on a 1950s socialistic economic viewpoint foisted by Nehru, and also adopted by NaMo/BJP by default (this is largely based on trade isolationism and import substitution, neither of which worked then or at any time for any country).

India runs a massive trade deficit - we have no choice but to export more to try to balance the trade deficit. Most of the items that dominate the import bill are consumption items or cannot be resold for a profit: Crude oil, Vegetable Oil, Coal, Gold, Arms & Ammunition, Diamonds & Gems. Of these, crude can be refined to higher-value petroleum products which are exported at a profit (Reliance does this), and Diamonds & Gems can be cut, polished and exported. The rest of the stuff cannot be re-exported at a profit, and there's no inexpensive local substitute that can be utilized in place of imports. There's no viable defense industry that can equip the Indian Armed Forces with weapons that actually work effectively - the Ordnance factories cannot even make reliable small arms, which is why the Indian Army prefers its 20-year old imported Bulgarian AK-47s to the local (and unreliable) INSAS rifle, which is now being phased out.

The easiest way to balance trade would have been to promote private-sector production and export of light engineering and electronics, much like all the Asian Tigers did successfully from about 1985 onwards, after the Plaza Accord:

Plaza Accord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Plaza Accord failed in its original mission, but the Japanese succeeded in kick-starting large-scale electronics components and sub-assembly manufacturing in Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, China and Vietnam, which were then bit-players of little consequence in Electronics, but now dominate world trade in Electronics.

India did not liberalize sufficiently quickly to take advantage of the improved terms of trade due to the Plaza Accord, and missed the electronics export bandwagon. By the time it became necessary to liberalize in 1991, it was too late for India and it had little or no capital or forex to do so anyway. By the time it had sufficient forex (Y2000 and later), electronics had advanced too far for India to effectively enter the area - it had only obsolete plants manufacturing obsolete tail-market components.

When the Nokia plant in Sriperumbudur was established around 2005, it had to bring in an entire modern electronics manufacturing supply-chain infrastructure - and by some miracle, it succeeded! It manufactured about $150B worth of cellphones before it shut down last year. Had a few similar plants and supply-chains been established, the exports from those few plants alone could have balanced the ~$100B/year trade-deficit on their own. However, that's not feasible now, thanks to the UPA II and retrospective taxation, and most of the electronics majors are in exit mode. Without both exports as well as domestic sales, there won't be sufficient economies in scale to be competitive - that's why China promotes both.

It would seem logical that everything should be done to remove friction or impedances to the growth of this high-value sector, but that's not the case. As I cited earlier, there are huge logistics and other issues that would make it imposssible for a small, high-value niche exporter to survive in India. You're not going to find the equivalents of small Chinese export-oriented electronics firms among homegrown firms, leave alone the likes of Sony or Panasonic. Without the exports to balance out the imports, the trade deficit will continue to widen, as it did last month, when overall exports dipped by 14% Year-on-Year.

To summarize, exports are imperative - without exports of value-added manufactured electronics sub-assemblies and finished goods, there's no way to sustain the imports of the raw materials and components. We'll be back to the '60s in no time, with things like NMI (Not Manufactured in India) certificates, Licenses/Permits and so on.
 
The notion that India doesn't need to export is falacious, and based on a 1950s socialistic economic viewpoint foisted by Nehru, and also adopted by NaMo/BJP by default (this is largely based on trade isolationism and import substitution, neither of which worked then or at any time for any country).

India runs a massive trade deficit - we have no choice but to export more to try to balance the trade deficit. Most of the items that dominate the import bill are consumption items or cannot be resold for a profit: Crude oil, Vegetable Oil, Coal, Gold, Arms & Ammunition, Diamonds & Gems. Of these, crude can be refined to higher-value petroleum products which are exported at a profit (Reliance does this), and Diamonds & Gems can be cut, polished and exported. The rest of the stuff cannot be re-exported at a profit, and there's no inexpensive local substitute that can be utilized in place of imports. There's no viable defense industry that can equip the Indian Armed Forces with weapons that actually work effectively - the Ordnance factories cannot even make reliable small arms, which is why the Indian Army prefers its 20-year old imported Bulgarian AK-47s to the local (and unreliable) INSAS rifle, which is now being phased out.

The easiest way to balance trade would have been to promote private-sector production and export of light engineering and electronics, much like all the Asian Tigers did successfully from about 1985 onwards, after the Plaza Accord:

Plaza Accord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Plaza Accord failed in its original mission, but the Japanese succeeded in kick-starting large-scale electronics components and sub-assembly manufacturing in Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, China and Vietnam, which were then bit-players of little consequence in Electronics, but now dominate world trade in Electronics.

India did not liberalize sufficiently quickly to take advantage of the improved terms of trade due to the Plaza Accord, and missed the electronics export bandwagon. By the time it became necessary to liberalize in 1991, it was too late for India and it had little or no capital or forex to do so anyway. By the time it had sufficient forex (Y2000 and later), electronics had advanced too far for India to effectively enter the area - it had only obsolete plants manufacturing obsolete tail-market components.

When the Nokia plant in Sriperumbudur was established around 2005, it had to bring in an entire modern electronics manufacturing supply-chain infrastructure - and by some miracle, it succeeded! It manufactured about $150B worth of cellphones before it shut down last year. Had a few similar plants and supply-chains been established, the exports from those few plants alone could have balanced the ~$100B/year trade-deficit on their own. However, that's not feasible now, thanks to the UPA II and retrospective taxation, and most of the electronics majors are in exit mode. Without both exports as well as domestic sales, there won't be sufficient economies in scale to be competitive - that's why China promotes both.

It would seem logical that everything should be done to remove friction or impedances to the growth of this high-value sector, but that's not the case. As I cited earlier, there are huge logistics and other issues that would make it imposssible for a small, high-value niche exporter to survive in India. You're not going to find the equivalents of small Chinese export-oriented electronics firms among homegrown firms, leave alone the likes of Sony or Panasonic. Without the exports to balance out the imports, the trade deficit will continue to widen, as it did last month, when overall exports dipped by 14% Year-on-Year.

To summarize, exports are imperative - without exports of value-added manufactured electronics sub-assemblies and finished goods, there's no way to sustain the imports of the raw materials and components. We'll be back to the '60s in no time, with things like NMI (Not Manufactured in India) certificates, Licenses/Permits and so on.

I am sorry if we reduce reliance on our unwanted affection for gold/diamonds, a lot of trade deficit can go away. Will our public take some responsibility? Not a chance in hell.
Also our oil and gas policy and incentives are so backward, there is no aggressive push to expand areas for oil discovery. We are always at the mercy of middle-east monarchies.
Reason for non-promotion of local defence industry is because of lobbyists ferrying money to top folks and ensuring that we always buy externally and the dependency to continue forever.
 
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