Oustanding range of veneers available

[GeorgeO]

Folks

I was blown away when I visited Jacsons Veneers and Panels on Ring Road not far from Hennur Road(Welcome to Jacsons - Manufacturers of igh Quality Veneers and Doors). They offer about 70-80 types of natural and some original patterns using timber sourced form all over the world.Many of these are quite exotice. These are available with plywood backing and are 4 mm thick(IIRC). Well worth a visit for people wanting to build speakers..


I dont have their phone number will try and get it

 

[GeorgeO]

Their Bangalore Ph number is 25440173

 

[anilva]

Thanks George. I have been looking from some unique veneers.

 

[soundnovice]

hi George, good discovery! thanks for the link and phone no.

 

[kaushik]

To decorate the senoritas body we have easy to buy shops ..

but getting hold of the lady ,making her your own is tough job!

 

[exljp]

I visited Jacsons to check on Veneers two days ago for my x-ls-encore cabin build. I was looking for a darker shade which they did not have. The thickness of the board is 3mm or more. Do we get anything less than 3mm?. Is it not difficult to paste 3mm board on MDF?

 

[doors666]

i called them up, they have paper thin veneers also, though the range is very much limited and prices are very high, something like 90 bucks per sqft. I checked a shop on infantry road also (balajai plywood), he has only teak in paper veneer (i think its 0.8mm or 1mm or something like that), prices was some 60 bucks per sqft. its difficult to use 4mm veneer unless preplanned with speakers. and the number mentioned didnt work for me, found another number on google. number on their site also didnt seem to work.

 

[exljp]

i called them up, they have paper thin veneers also, though the range is very much limited and prices are very high, something like 90 bucks per sqft. I checked a shop on infantry road also (balajai plywood), he has only teak in paper veneer (i think its 0.8mm or 1mm or something like that), prices was some 60 bucks per sqft. its difficult to use 4mm veneer unless preplanned with speakers. and the number mentioned didnt work for me, found another number on google. number on their site also didnt seem to work.

Jacsons quoted me Rs 120 per sqft and they said they have only 3mm+, nothing less than that. The prices you quoted are much less, let me start searching other places.

 

[doors666]

Jacsons quoted me Rs 120 per sqft and they said they have only 3mm+, nothing less than that. The prices you quoted are much less, let me start searching other places.

Please keep updating here if you find any good resources for this. it looks like its pretty hard to find good veneer, i asked some shops on cmh road also, no one has thin veneers.

 

[AmitKumar]

Today i called up Sree Balaji Plywoods on Infantry Road Bangalore to check about the availability of paper veneer. They mentioned the same is available at price of about inr 65/-- per square feet.

Just thought to update here for the use of FMs who might be looking for the same.

 

[abhijitnath]

Wow. Just went through the site- very impressive. Is the 4 mm once it is stuck to the ply, or the thickness of the veneer itself?

 

[GeorgeO]

The veneer is sliced to about 0.3 mm(using a veneer slicing machine) and when pasted onto plywood, in a heated hydraulic press you get 3mm, 4mm or 6 mm or 12mm decorative plywood.

 

[abhijitnath]

Got it. Thanks!

 

[Staxxx]

Thanks George. I actually was looking for some exotic veneers to make a partition and some swinging doors. Now if only I had a carpenter who shows some attention to detail .....

 

[GeorgeO]

Or to get a little more technical, the non decorative layers are used for making what in the trade is called "commercial plywood", which is much lower priced. Because it is lower priced it is "peeled" using a peeling lathe, something like how the wood on a pencil is peeled while the tip is sharpened. These are then dried and then joined and layered and edges trimmed and pressed. Being of significantly lower value the peeling process produces plies that are much thicker than the much higher value veneer which is sliced much thinner.

If decorative (which is mfd as one side or both sides decorative-for example OST(eak) or BST(eak) if the decorative veneer is teak), then all the layers and the veneer are assembled and presed-normally plywood is not made first and then the veneer pressed onto it-it is double the process if done that way.

Hope this helps a bit more!

 

[AmitKumar]

Thanks George. I actually was looking for some exotic veneers to make a partition and some swinging doors. Now if only I had a carpenter who shows some attention to detail .....

do check the veneers(decorative ply) sold by century ply.

I m not related to them anyway, but felt they sell some of the exotic and even the costliest veneers in the country.

 

[AmitKumar]

Or to get a little more technical, the non decorative layers are used for making what in the trade is called "commercial plywood", which is much lower priced. Because it is lower priced it is "peeled" using a peeling lathe, something like how the wood on a pencil is peeled while the tip is sharpened. These are then dried and then joined and layered and edges trimmed and pressed. Being of significantly lower value the peeling process produces plies that are much thicker than the much higher value veneer which is sliced much thinner.

If decorative (which is mfd as one side or both sides decorative-for example OST(eak) or BST(eak) if the decorative veneer is teak), then all the layers and the veneer are assembled and presed-normally plywood is not made first and then the veneer pressed onto it-it is double the process if done that way.

Hope this helps a bit more!

i always had an info that the most of the reputed plywood companies india import the paper veneers in large quantities and press them to their 3mm plywood.

Another firm called Kelachandra industries on bannerghatta road manfactures their own veneer and press then on plywood, they also sell veneered doors and paper veneer. I visited this factory abt 2.5 yrs back.

 

[tcpip]

4mm veneer is fine for speaker building

Thanks for the thread, GeorgeO... some of us really need pointers in this area.

I've always used this ply+veneer combo for my speaker projects, because that's what Indian carpenters know when they say "veneer". I have never found a problem. Our western friends get rolls of paper-thin veneer, but why should 4mm be a problem for us? Roll-on veneer is easier to work with than 4mm sheets, because you can use a craft knife instead of a saw. But then in India, most DIYers get a professional carpenter to help with the woodworking (we switch to GID (Get It Done) from DIY whenever needed), so I never faced a problem. And Indian carpenters are experienced in working with the ply+veneer combo -- asking them to switch to the paper-thin type may cause them hardships.

Adding 4mm extra thickness on each side of your enclosure changes the dimensions, but not enough to impact measurements or acoustics. Therefore, you can build using MDF and ply as per plans you have, and then simply add the veneer sheets on all surfaces, and the small dimension change does not impact anything.

It is my belief that an additional wrap of 4mm ply improves the sealing of joints. When we make a box using thick sheets (e.g. my practice of using 25mm MDF everywhere), the joints at right angles may not be as perfect as we want them to be. I generously apply a layer of Araldite on all joining surfaces, but even then, sometimes the carpenter may have missed out a spot, etc. Wrapping the box externally later with a 4mm-thick separate sheet improves the sealing of the box, IMHO, by covering all the inner joints with a new layer... the joints in the veneer are not at the same spots as the joints in the underlying MDF, thereby achieving a kind of double-sealing.

Prices you guys have heard seem to be par for the course -- I used to use Rs.40/sqft sheets when I did the Asawari I seven years ago, but now I am seeing good veneer varying between Rs.80/sqft and Rs.125/sqft. For the Darbari, I have discovered a massive warehouse/ wholesaler of top quality veneer in Vashi, New Bombay. He has a first-floor room with a few dozen raw veneer sheets for display, and they are awesome. These veneers are also far, far better looking than the cheaper teak veneers we used to use most of the time earlier. Therefore, my cost of veneer sheet and labour+parts for PU polish is between 1/3 and 1/2 of my total cost of enclosure construction, but I am happy -- I am getting spectacular appearance as a result. (My prices are from New Bombay, BTW, not Bangalore.)

 

[GeorgeO]

Thanks Tarunbhai for the inputs. I agree with you about the second layer, it also, as a side benefit, help promote constrained layer damping by virtue of the layer of glue to join the two layers. What is CLD? Well since this is a process of education( and not spoon feeding) if you really want to know more, please look it up!

BTW, I'm hoping to meet you at Delhi.

 

[GeorgeO]

constrained layer damping with MDF and Ply - diyAudio