Power Chord
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+1 to above. Do stay.
That is just ridiculous. No need to take such extreme measures Thad.
We're all on this forum to exchange opinions - just to learn to take as well as you can give.
I for one would be very disappointed to see you leave ...
Soundstage
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Sir,
I have always enjoyed reading your posts. Nothing wrong in being forthright in defending one's point of view, especially when one does it in such a mature, balanced and, yes, humorous manner. You also put in considerable efforts to explain why you feel any particular way, without just making blanket statements, which I feel is very creditable.
Your moving away will only be a loss to this forum!
Thad E Ginathom
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Guys, thanks ...and don't worry about it. I certainly hope to be around. I seem to have stepped on someone's toes: let's just leave it that I'll tread more carefully in future.
I was reminded, tonight, about the days when we didn't even think about such things
I was reminded, tonight, about the days when we didn't even think about such things
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Great! For a while I was getting worried there. Love reading your lines.
ranjeetrain
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Thad, for the record's sake, I disagree with your part and agree with Joshua's completely. You shouldn't leave.
People from the believer camp have strong opinions as well. Their posts are more strongly assertive than yours, making them more offending if differing opinion were to be considered offensive. There is nothing wrong if you have a strong opinion or sound assertive in your posts.
I firmly believe in Newton's third law of forces. I believe the theory that "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" is the one of the most fundamental theories of nature. The entire universe is working because there are forces that balance it.
On a forum, it is very important that there is a balance of varied opinion. And it is most important that all opinions be treated with respect (so long as it's not a personal attack/attempt to humiliate others/take a dig at others directly or indirectly).
And please don't take posts jumping into the pool with the hey-I-told-you-so attitude too seriously. When people spend money, they buy boasting rights with it. And with that comes a subtle arrogance which more often than not results in a visibly overstated jingoism.
If you leave, it will be a wrong person's turn to leave.
Wasn't he like the Bose of audio accessories in uk ? I used to be a member of the hifiplus forum in uk for a long time until it closed down ( and the members formed hifiwigwam) and mr Andrews was healthily beaten up there regularly ! And somehow veered right away from the mans products.
I also first heard of the tannoy prestige series so there so am thankful to that forum..they had their own power cord thread as well !
This is why I suggested two channels each with its own followers. LoL.
Come on Thad. I don't see any reason for anyone to become upset with your posts nor I think somebody will be glad not to have you around. I enjoy reading your thoughts and opinion and the humour in them. Debates do get hot but as long as participants stay close to substance than plain belief and don't get personal, it will be enjoyable for both the sides. I remembered a quote from the movie World War Z, roughly put, " When nine people agree on something, its the 10th mans DUTY to disagree no matter how improbable the idea". ln fact I admire your skills to disagree strongly and efficiently without even accidentally insulting anyone.
Come on Thad. I don't see any reason for anyone to become upset with your posts nor I think somebody will be glad not to have you around. I enjoy reading your thoughts and opinion and the humour in them. Debates do get hot but as long as participants stay close to substance than plain belief and don't get personal, it will be enjoyable for both the sides. I remembered a quote from the movie World War Z, roughly put, " When nine people agree on something, its the 10th mans DUTY to disagree no matter how improbable the idea". ln fact I admire your skills to disagree strongly and efficiently without even accidentally insulting anyone.
https://app.audiogon.com/listings/ac-cables-elrod-statement-gold-power-chord-2013-12-06-power-spain
I wonder how these Power Cords would be ?
Has anyone tried them ?
ha ha! i think half the disbeleivers are having a heart attack now!!!
sometime back i had written on these forums how a monster power center made an audible improvement to my music system (i felt that the sound became more focussed and less noisy - though lost a bit of the volume) but somebody rebuked me for that. it would be good if we have an open mind. maybe somebody is right. maybe somebody is wrong. but nothing wrong in hearing such an opinion. maybe somebody else will try and benefit. maybe others will not feel the same. but knowledge will not grow without contradicting opinions.
typically happens when you have a very clean signal as earlier what you were hearing was loud distortion as well. this is what i always see happening with battery power as well
Did you mean get Banned or something Thad. dont worry will we all do a "Dharna" to get you back
whats a forum without disagreement ! some 2 years back we lost a couple of really good audio folks with great knowledge who got upset due to some unsavory comments and went out of the forum and even deleted their posts...the forum has only been Poorer without their views and experience.
I'll quote Voltaire (despite him being french) here
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Thad E Ginathom
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Quite possibly! I didn't really come to hifi forums on the net until this one in just the past few years. That's partly why I have actually only just started learning some of the stuff, despite having been a listener for a long time.
Russ Andrews is a dealer for Kimber. Sceptic thought I remain, Kimber seems to get more respect from level-headed sources (see Audioholics for instance) than some of the wire pureyors. It is years since I looked at their range, but I do seem to remember things like oak supports and stuff ---but do I have to look very far to find people who believe that putting your ss amplifier on different woods makes it sound different?***--- and all sorts of magic plug-in power cleansers and stuff. I say nothing, now, for or against, because, simply, I haven't looked for a long time: no idea what they sell now, what's good, what's bad, what's (if anything) voodoo. All I know is that the company still exists.
Finally, let me say that, if, after spending big money on amplifier, etc, I still had a swollen wallet, then, rather than buying wire, I personally would be looking at the power supply options some of those companies offer. And if they don't, then I'd congratulate them on having confidence in the psu as fitted (or that the whole unit was expensive enough that everything in it was first class already). I've heard power supplies make a difference. I'd probably have bought the Cyrus option if wallet had permitted.
I'd also, in a city where anything can come out of the wall socket (from 440v to termites, in my experience), invest in power protection. Money well spent!
***Oh, wait... sure, density and acoustic deadness matters. No dispute. How much it matters for equipment other than turntables and some valves would be a discussion for another time. Also no dispute that all furniture should look beautiful!
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Great to see the positive vibes in this thread !!!
Thad and to all others,
I read most of your posts with lot of interest. The simple reason is I want to learn a lot from this forum. Since I am a novice, I am not in a position to contribute back to this forum until I feel I have acquired some basic knowledge. I can say one thing - This forum is a great learning center for me. There are lot of guys like me who are silent readers/learners. So next time if any one of you decide to leave this forum, it will be a big disappointment for all silent learners like me.
My position on this issue - Based on what I learnt (and of course in theory), my logical reasoning is leading me to conclude that a decent cable (ability to carry enough current amp, fitting properly into the sockets, etc) is sufficient enough. This is my understanding based on my logical reasoning. At the same time, few have (Nikhil, nandac) have experienced the other way. Some times I also believe that we should not fully go our logical reasoning because it also has some limitations (I do not want to go for another debate on why that limitation exist ..
).
Having said that, I want to suggest an idea. Can we create a separate thread where cable believers can post their experience ? I guess only few of them have shared their experience in another thread related to power chords.
May be - the actual truth is some where in the middle between these two camps. That's the beauty of the nature (and it's deep secrets) which is beyond one's logical/scientific reasoning or perceptions.
Thad and to all others,
I read most of your posts with lot of interest. The simple reason is I want to learn a lot from this forum. Since I am a novice, I am not in a position to contribute back to this forum until I feel I have acquired some basic knowledge. I can say one thing - This forum is a great learning center for me. There are lot of guys like me who are silent readers/learners. So next time if any one of you decide to leave this forum, it will be a big disappointment for all silent learners like me.
My position on this issue - Based on what I learnt (and of course in theory), my logical reasoning is leading me to conclude that a decent cable (ability to carry enough current amp, fitting properly into the sockets, etc) is sufficient enough. This is my understanding based on my logical reasoning. At the same time, few have (Nikhil, nandac) have experienced the other way. Some times I also believe that we should not fully go our logical reasoning because it also has some limitations (I do not want to go for another debate on why that limitation exist ..
). Having said that, I want to suggest an idea. Can we create a separate thread where cable believers can post their experience ? I guess only few of them have shared their experience in another thread related to power chords.
May be - the actual truth is some where in the middle between these two camps. That's the beauty of the nature (and it's deep secrets) which is beyond one's logical/scientific reasoning or perceptions.
karthi1000
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whether changing the power chord of my projector or bluray player will improve pic quality ?
Thad E Ginathom
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That was the suggestion that I got into trouble for responding to.
I would say no, to it, because what's the point in two camps just telling each other they are right?
HiFi WigWam is the current UK forum. the earlier one was by Hifi Choice which overgoverned itself and then shut down.
when using a 'audiophile powercord' ultimately all anybody can claim is either 'i hear a difference' or 'i don't hear a difference' (ofcourse there are some who have never used such cords but still would voice a negative or even positive opinion). so if people can't hear any difference what is the point in them playing spoilsport to those who can hear a difference? while those who indeed can hear a difference, can debate about the merits of various such power cords. i remember somebody who sometime back noted on this forum that anybody aspiring for a good hifi should atleast consider the chord crimson interconnect and carnival silverscreen speaker cables as the basic requirement for a good system (i totally concur). probably we should also add the pangea 9 and 14 to this list - though even according to experts this is the last thing to be worked on while trying to improve your hifi. btw i also discovered some taiwan and hongkong power cords at a similar price level as pangea - i will try to get that information.
btw i would like to note this point : hearing is hardly a simple phenomenon. those who have learnt 'music by ear' will know what i mean. when you hear a song over stereo your perceptual faculties can hardly grasp the whole array of sounds coming through. at the best you only have a sense of it - that's all. pick your favorite guitar or piano or sax solo which you have listened to a hundred times in awe - try to whistle or hum or sing it back. a trained ear can poke several holes in your rendition. normally when you try to learn music by ear, you have to hear a same passage several times (probably like 20 to 30 times or even more) to get a good grip of its complexities and nuances (which are what make that sound so special and effective). and it is an exertion of the senses - similar to what weighlifting is physically or a mathemetical workout is to your brain. so to simply claim 'i can't hear any difference' doesn't really mean much. maybe you are not listening well enough. also just like there are natural musicians, maybe there are natural audiophiles who can hear better (btw i don't count myself as one such - i am only a music lover). seymour duncan, a famous electric guitar pickup maker, is supposed to have better ears than a dog!!!
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