Power Chord

[Thad E Ginathom]

Please explain.

If you calling me petty, then I object. Others probably will too --- on both sides of the electric-wire fence.

 

[captrajesh]

All of us have our beliefs and non-beliefs. The forum is a great place to express and discuss but that does not give anyone a right to insult other by using words that would hurt a person. Refrain from coining or calling names like audiophools.

There has been a long tradition of stuff in this business/hobby that it is worthy of nothing but derision. It used to be rocks and crystals, now it is network, and even SATA cables. Let us deride it. If any individual "believer" takes offence, then that is their problem: let them remain happy with their "beliefs" and avoid these conversations, or let them open their minds. I am not going to be rude to any individual, unless they are rude to me first, but if this thing is really going to be raised to the status of religion, and audiophile sensibilities are not to be offended, I think many of us will just be out of this forum.

Audiophilia is a hobby; some like me, may be somewhat serious while some may take it extremely seriously. For some, it is a passing phase while for some it is more than a religion. And for some more, it is just a 'time pass' thingy. To each, his own.

If those serious audiophiles find sonic differences in cables and are willing to spend their own money, that's their own business.

I don't think any of the people who are getting into it will buy anything blindly going by what is written on internet rather than the hard way i.e. of hearing with their own ears. Therefore be illogical for someone take it upon himself to rebuff anything written to buttress any post or article that says Cables make a difference IMO.

Notwithstanding the above, I still personally feel it is ok to put across ones views in a sensible manner but calling all those who do not toe one's line as "audiophools" & "ultra fools" is uncalled for.

 

[dheerajin]

Truth is bitter and it hits hard...so I can understand the reaction..

That post was not for any particular person, so no need to get affiliated with it..

And Yes I object having been called Petty...without any logical reasoning and that too for sake of an argument

Having said that..I dont think I will be able to participate more in the forum ..

 

[madbullram]

Please explain.

If you calling me petty, then I object. Others probably will too --- on both sides of the electric-wire fence.

Dear Thad, Nope, what I meant petty is discussing on about the word, origin etc not you! There is nothing wrong in discussing our beliefs. All one needs to ensure we don't call people with names, that's all. Even I don't believe much in these cables etc but I do not ridicule people who believe in it. A dear friend bought a cable paying some 3 lakhs. I could not hear any difference but he is able to, so I respect his belief and move on.

That's my point.

 

[jls001]

My reading of MBR's post is about the issue. Not about the person. So please, no misunderstandings here.

 

[Naturelover]

Yes, Thad and Dheeraj, the issue was termed petty and certainly not you guys. So chill and enjoy the festivities

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Even I don't believe much in these cables etc but I do not ridicule people who believe in it.

yes, I agree. Ridicule the product, not the person. Inevitably, though, some people identify with the product. What to do?

Peace...

 

[Ambio]

yes, I agree. Ridicule the product, not the person. Inevitably, though, some people identify with the product. What to do?

Peace...

Remember "bar" and "far" with and without visual aid. If you know the product then you can imagine hearing things that are not there.

 

[captrajesh]

Truth is bitter and it hits hard.

True that.

That post was not for any particular person, so no need to get affiliated with it.

I don't think there was anything personal to that post. Just it was in bad taste.

I dont think I will be able to participate more in the forum ..

The choice is entirely yours but IMHO that's an extreme reaction. You may like to reconsider your decision.

 

[jls001]

You may like to reconsider your decision.

+1 to that. Please reconsider.

There is no real need to withdraw when others disagree with you, or you don't agree with others, however vehemently. We live in the real world so there will always be divergence of ideas, opinions, beliefs, levels of individual experiences, the level to which we try to enforce our values or belief systems on others, and in/tolerance to other ideas/opinions.

This thread, though patently more contentious than most other "ideas" threads, stays relevant and meaningful, and hopefully didactic, as long as there is healthy interchange of ideas. We don't have to accept every idea thrown at us, nor do we have to reject everything that we do not agree with. It's not a bad practice to keep an open mind while keeping the BS filter fully engaged. Our differences boil down to the differences in our beliefs and values which are usually born of our experiences and/or what we are made to believe by authorities (read as professionals, experts, people with more experience than we do, people whom we implicity trust for guidance in particular areas of life). My point being: listen to others and use your own value and logic filters to separate the BS from the ocassional nuggets of truth and wisdom, while knowing full well that others may or may not accept your PoV. Further, your needs will differ from those of others so their experiential wisdom may not be directly or fully applicable to your needs.

Anyway, what do I, a bottom dwelling pseudophile, know about such things?

PS: it's ok to poke gentle fun at one another.

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

... Having said that..I dont think I will be able to participate more in the forum ..

Yes, Thad and Dheeraj, the issue was termed petty and certainly not you guys. So chill and enjoy the festivities

The choice is entirely yours but IMHO that's an extreme reaction. You may like to reconsider your decision.

Even I took offence and nearly stomped off. I still don't see why we should avoid a word, especially such a perfect one

If discussion of contentious subjects didn't get a little heated, they... wouldn't be contentious. And there's room for a misunderstanding or two to get thrown in.

It all comes out in the wash. And sometimes, someone says, "Hey, that could be right!" Which would never happen if the heated conversations didn't take place.

Remember: I never even thought much about this stuff until I joined this forum.

(So... guys... I blame you all. It's all your fault! ok? hyeah: )

 

[jls001]

Ridicule the product, not the person.

Ridiculing a product someone had chosen is tantamount to ridiculing the person who made that choice. Very difficult to draw a line here. One may think one is disparaging against the product but the owner will not understand it as such. For the same reason you don't call someone's wife ugly

 

[manoj.p]

Ridiculing a product someone had chosen is tantamount to ridiculing the person who made that choice. Very difficult to draw a line here. One may think one is disparaging against the product but the owner will not understand it as such. For the same reason you don't call someone's wife ugly

But, we might ridicule that person if he goes touting his wife as a beauty queen (most likely behind his back) :lol:

Same adage applies though - beauty is in the eyes of beholder.

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Requires a double blind test!



Actually...

There is, or was, an art exhibition in London (might have been the Royal Academy Summer Exhibition) where postcard-size originals would be on sale at a fairly low price for an original artwork. The one thing the buyer did not know until they collected it at the end of the show was... whose work it was. And some of them would be by quite well-known contemporary artists.

As far as I know, though, there is no way to do this with wives.

 

[asliarun]

Ridiculing a product someone had chosen is tantamount to ridiculing the person who made that choice. Very difficult to draw a line here. One may think one is disparaging against the product but the owner will not understand it as such. For the same reason you don't call someone's wife ugly

But but... we are not ridiculing the wife's beauty.. only her beauty product.
(Sorry, couldn't resist that one. I think I will burn in a special kind of hell if my wife found out I wrote this)

 

[manoj.p]

I have a rhetorical question. Which statement would make an audiophile more angry?

A: Your wife is ugly.

B: Your cables suck.

 

[arj]

i really get confused when folks say Audiophiles. AFAIK anyone who is excited about high-fidelity sound reproduction and tries to get superior sound via his/her setup is one.

So folks posting here are also laughing and poking fun and all of us including themselves ...so why get so worked up so its all within this group ?


Now if one were not enthusiastic about superior sound would in most probability not posting on this thread as am sure they will not need a power chord for the rice cooker to make more aromatic rice.

 

[arj]

+1 to that. Please reconsider.

There is no real need to withdraw when others disagree with you, or you don't agree with others, however vehemently. We live in the real world so there will always be divergence of ideas, opinions, beliefs, levels of individual experiences, the level to which we try to enforce our values or belief systems on others, and in/tolerance to other ideas/opinions.

This thread, though patently more contentious than most other "ideas" threads, stays relevant and meaningful, and hopefully didactic, as long as there is healthy interchange of ideas. We don't have to accept every idea thrown at us, nor do we have to reject everything that we do not agree with. It's not a bad practice to keep an open mind while keeping the BS filter fully engaged. Our differences boil down to the differences in our beliefs and values which are usually born of our experiences and/or what we are made to believe by authorities (read as professionals, experts, people with more experience than we do, people whom we implicity trust for guidance in particular areas of life). My point being: listen to others and use your own value and logic filters to separate the BS from the ocassional nuggets of truth and wisdom, while knowing full well that others may or may not accept your PoV. Further, your needs will differ from those of others so their experiential wisdom may not be directly or fully applicable to your needs.

Anyway, what do I, a bottom welling pseudophile, know about such things?

PS: it's ok to poke gentle fun at one another.

+1

This is a 2 way street..do not post onto others what you dont want to be posted about you ...as an individual and a group. personally does not make sense to leave the forum due to posts from people you may consider insufferable..just stop participating in those works for me. The mods anyway take care of those who do get obnoxious


NOt writing this specifically at Dheeraj - if a reference like this want to make one leave its good not to post words so others may not want to leave.
As it is we have lost some really good folks who used to add so much content in the this forum due to inane discussions and this is rapidly becoming a unidimensional forum where one hardly learns anything new other than existing views getting re-iterated !

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

So folks posting here are also laughing and poking fun and all of us including themselves

This is a 2 way street..do not post onto others what you dont want to be posted about you

Absolutely true. I tried green on on CDs (and where's the harm? It's free. No special-audio-grade $1,000 marker pens were involved), I unashamedly love the look and feel of certain audio kit, and yes, I even sometimes agonise over whether or not my reasonable-price, audio-transparent, Blue Jeans interconnects actually sound better or worse than the previous ones (but not enough to overcome the laziness and set up the test).

What gets me is the "irrationalists" don't just argue their case, but, a small minority of them resort to venom. I sometimes wonder if one or two (it isn't very many) would actually go so far as to strangle the "rationalists" with their damned cables! That is the point where it is probably better (and maybe safer? :lol to just exit the conversation. It's certain that the same conversation will come around again and we can all have another go

 

[dheerajin]

Gentleman..Uno Momento..

I dont have a problem , if some is not agree with my opinion( Proof-I am staying with my enemy under one roof)
simply I got a warning in PM for petty issue. Actually one time before, my thread for sale of cable went missing after two days of post. Reason-at the same time my bashing for the speaker cable was a hot topic.
After a PM to Mods , that thread again went live. So it is kind of unidirectional treatment I was pissed off with.
This is not to offend Mods but to explain my situation.

But this thread have given me some biggest laugh in a while-
first was Keith's statement-"it is same difference"
second Manoj.p

I have a rhetorical question. Which statement would make an audiophile more angry?

A: Your wife is ugly.

B: Your cables suck.

It explains the psychological state of an audiophile(spelling mistake) mind.

if a reference like this want to make one leave its good not to post words so others may not want to leave.
As it is we have lost some really good folks who used to add so much content in the this forum due to inane discussions and this is rapidly becoming a unidimensional forum where one hardly learns anything new other than existing views getting re-iterated !

This forum is no longer a unidimensional one.

We can give a new direction to any thread- see what happenned to thread
it has been converted to CVT discussion thread now and similar thing is happening with this thread too.

Anyway thanks to all for their opinion and I am happy that everyone dont have-"I DONT CARE" attitude and that
makes this forum wonderful. JLS001 thanks to you, for you know what.