Doors dude, My point is I don't see the advantage in one going from an integrated amp to an avr for music listening. I understand you have an AVR and you use it for music listening.Why not??? Tons of people are doing it. I do it. There are ways to improve the SQ as compared to the usual config. Use pure direct, by pass the AVR's dac and the preamp (this is the biggest culprit, I connect the asus essence output straight to the external decoder output, only volume control in AVR is effective). There are good quality AVRs too, just get the arcam AVR and see it beat the nads and marantz integrateds to a pulp. so you cant make a general statement that all avrs are bad and all integrateds are good.
OK.The AVR vs integrated (or pre-power) might make a difference when your speakers are above a certain threshold. If you try this with a 10k polk, you probably wont find a different in sound quality, specially due to the amp. pre-amp might be a different ball game though.
Almost all mid-fi/ hi-fi stereo amplifiers don't have a sub out as the music they sound the best usually don't need a sub. I'm sure someone spending a Lac rupees on a stereo system won't be buying it just to listen to Bollywood dance numbers.I dont know dude, why dont you tell why? I dont own an integrated, so dont know.
There are hi-fi sub amps which work with hi-fi passive subs and active subs which have a built in amplifier.Dont forget that each and every speaker in the world (except a full range driver based speakers) has a high pass filter. Other wise your tweeter (and mid in a 3way) will not last a day:lol:
The only additional device in this case will be a hpf. the signal does not pass thru an amp, it just connects to an amp. this option is only available on subs with speaker level input and output and then also its not necessary.
Dude, the sub amp exists in every active sub. if you ever get to see an active sub, you will find it in the back of the sub. so buy a sub that has this feature.
I saw a sub amp with that feature (user selectable HPF and LPF) which cost 495+ 375 for a passive sub in UK . But I'm yet to see an active sub which takes speaker level signal and has a speaker out terminals with HPF to free the speakers from handling the lower frequencies. I demoed a REL G-1 sub costing 2L INR but even that didn't have that feature though it has hi level inputs. Show me at least one sub which has that feature. Speaker level inputs are just a provision to connect to amps which have no sub out or pre amp out. REL says speaker level inputs which connect parallel to the speaker terminals are the best way to connect the sub to make sure the sub integrated well. But that can't stop the speakers from handling those LF's unless you have an AVR.
Go and look back at your post I'm not the one who suggested active crossover. :lol:They exists inside almost every speaker thats a part of any stereo system in the world. what do you have against your hpf? do you have any personal experience with it or just what you heard from someone.
An active crossover cannot be a part of an amplifier as for this you need two amps not one. so how can you make it a part of it?
Most of the subs have a phase control switch or dial.
Of course it will increase the cost. who said hifi is cheap.
Even I'm talking from experience. Here are some pics of my set-up what I tried. https://picasaweb.google.com/ravik350/MyHiFi?authkey=Gv1sRgCKqtiI-qocrdjAE#My point was regarding the placement confusion that people seem to crib about. Point is that if you keep the sub just below the BS, it kind of operates like a 3way in a sense that the point of origin of sound is almost similar to a 3 way.
Regarding the 2way better than 3way, I am on record in hfv on this already. Of course it will sound better in a given price point, as you can buy a higher series BS with better quality components. e.g. B&W CM series FS cost as much as 8 series BS.
BTW, I am talking from experience, I am running BS with AVR and a sub. Are you? have you tried it?
I initially thought my speakers have less bass and adding a sub would make them sound hi-end. But to my surprise listening to The Doors, Pink Floyd, Eric Clapton, Elton John, The Eagles, Scorpions, Dire Straits, Guns n Roses etc sounded crap with the sub connected. Even without sub the sound is not to my taste and hence sold the speakers and returned the sub to the dealer buy M-S Mezzo 2 speakers. The new speakers are more musical with prominent bass and wider sound stage. Well it took me two months trying two stereo amps, two pairs of speakers and a sub to arrive at the present combination.
OK let me put it this way. If you have listened to a well paired stereo amp + book shelf speakers combo from a proper source you would know what I'm talking. That's my experience but it may not work that way for every one.