32" EX500 or 32" LD650

[shredder]

No, not that much.

I think you are right again. If anything I think LEDs are brighter (some might say more vibrant) than CCFL LCDs

 

[adder]

Hence i prefer Plasma, no matter what the LCD it will definitely look like a torch in a dark room.

I disagree Lcd has the potential to be bright if the need arises,you can always reduce the backlight or brightness and they can be quite dim if you want.The pictures posted by me of the Sony does it look like its in torch mode its calibrated to brightness levels of plasma.
In most lcds if one finds the brightness still bright even at 0 backlight settings in the night one can switch on the light sensor or power saving which makes the backlight go way dim,i have personal tested this feature in Philips 5605 and V,EX series from sony, for those people who watch without lights.

proof?

I was being sarcastic the Samsung lcd have undefeatable dimming in certain model,when screen is black.
The main point was the pixel level blacks are still no where near VA based.

All the pics look random with very less proof that they belong to the quoted brands or even models. Even if they are the pic being shot looks way off angle in the "claimed" Philips and LG models and seems to be taken standing directly opposite to the Sony one.

The Flag ship Philips of is the 9705 and it cannot be compared with the HX800 since the former is leaps and bounds ahead in terms of pic processing , back lighting, features, motion processing and what not.

Well the reviewer who shot those images knows better then you and me .He himself saw the backlight induced light seepage in the philips and LG.In the Sony he said the
"clouding is missing" and " Note here the absence of cloud".

Google greek translation
Google Translate sony review

This from another site taken with LG its taken ON-AXIS withe quote
The downside is that the relatively low number of LEDs was visible in certain tests, like the one below. Especially with largely dark images, some lighter objects end up with glowing halos around them, meaning we can't describe the overall results as 'perfect'. To avoid this problem, you need to turn off the local-dimming backlighting. http://www.digitalversus.com/lg-42le8900-p364_9086_35.html

Here is a comparison from a well known site:

Philips 8605H


Out-of-Box , After calibration
Black level : 0,07 cd/m2 , 0,04 cd/m2
Brightness : 289 cd/m2 , 120 cd/m2
Contrast ratio : 4129:1 , 4000:1



After calibration I measured a black level of 0.04 cd/m2. This is a very good result and one of the best results we have yet seen from an Edge LED model. Samsungs Edge LED models such as the C8000 have black depth of 0.05 cd/m2. The best plasma-TVs (Pioneer KURO) we have measured to 0.02 cd/m2 (thats the limit of our equipment, so its probably lower).




Philips 8605H has no problems with backlight bleeding or clouding at all. Very positive


source : Philips 8605H review - FlatpanelsHD


Sony HX800


Out-of-Box , After calibration

Black level : 0,09 cd/m2 , 0,06 cd/m2
Brightness : 229 cd/m2 , 132 cd/m2
Contrast ratio : 2545:1 , 2200:1[/CENTER]

After calibration I measured a black level of 0.06 cd/m2 which is good but not fantastic. This is more or less the same as the Samsung Edge LED models such as the C8000.

Shadow detailing is fair but not fantastic. Because the gamma tracking is not perfectly accurate HX800 is not able to reproduce all shades of dark grey


Unfortunately Sony HX800 has some visible clouding and too much for a perfect result. The clouding is mostly visible in the lower left corner and can be distracting in dark rooms. I didnt see it during daytime.


The "2010" 9 series from Philips( 32" and 46") is considered the best what LCD has to offer and the only drawback is the price. It even has won many awards from many websites.

The Clouding that flatpanels HD is talking about is a manufacturing defect,all lcds have some kind of clouding,some are lucky to not have it like me.

The "clouding LIKE effect" aka halos i am talking about is the light seepage.

The 8605 doesn't have any form dimming localized capability so it won't have clouding or halos .

Lastly i am not comparing the lcds directly ,you are always make it as this vs that .
The reason i posted those images are to show the problems induced with local dimming lcds and the fact that the tvs with IPS panels have lesser ability in stopping light.
I also said irrespective of the brand all local dimming lcd have some kind of clouding like effect due to light seepage.



I know the the 9705 is the flagship model where as the HX800 isn't the flagship model,it doesn't have full local dimming capability ,nor does it have the image processing of Sony higher end models.
Also i am glad philips have started to move away from IPS panels for their flagship models.It got 10 out of 10 in PQ in trusted reviews,so have tvs from other companies including the 2010 Sony HX900 in 2D PQ,i don't want to crap the thread with links of Sony ,philips or lg not related to the OP question.

HX800 needs to be compared to the lower 8 series of Philips.

If you insist ,the comparision of HX800 and philips 8 series

 

[longshanks]

"clouding is missing" and " Note here the absence of cloud".

I am not sure how you read or understand a statement so dont know you got your quoted meaning from this below sentence.

Unfortunately Sony HX800 has some visible clouding and too much for a perfect result. The clouding is mostly visible in the lower left corner and can be distracting in dark rooms

i don't want to crap the thread with links of Sony not related to the OP question.

u've already done that so i guess no point in stating this now.

If you insist ,the comparision of HX800 and philips 8 series

Never heard about the Greek site so could not care less.

The Philips black level and the Sony black level numbers look unbelievable.Also these numbers differ largely from what ive read about HX800 and personally seen myself, Even the flagship HX9 series has clouding effect from what ive seen in few screen shots.The same Greek website said this about the philips 9 series "It is the perfect LED LCD TV"


Also you forgot to post the pics taken on axis from the same website, what does that mean?

Philips:





LG:









LG is doing really well globally and they are the only real competition for Samsung now, this means they are doing things right in-spite of their tv's priced as expensive as Samsung.

False marketing about a panel's advantage is not only done by LG it also done by Samsung and Sony.

Samsung Edges Out TV Rivals - WSJ.com

 

[karandex]

is this all comparison apply to 40 - 42 inch to ?
what about samsung

 

[adder]

I am not sure how you read or understand a statement so dont know you got your quoted meaning from this below sentence.

Unfortunately Sony HX800 has some visible clouding and too much for a perfect result. The clouding is mostly visible in the lower left corner and can be distracting in dark rooms
The clouding he talking about

The clouding he is talking about is different ,i am talking about the implementation of local dimming by LG which shows the clouding like effect CAUSED BY ITS LOCALIZED DIMMING.Did you even read the review from them and Digital versus.

u've already done that so i guess no point in stating this now.

Well unlike you i posted those images to show that local dimming IPS lcds still won't show deep blacks as the VA based ones and secondly to show the problems induced with local dimming.

Never heard about the Greek site so could not care less.

The Philips black level and the Sony black level numbers look unbelievable.Also these numbers differ largely from what ive read about HX800 and personally seen myself, Even the flagship HX9 series has clouding effect from what ive seen in few screen shots.The same Greek website said this about the philips 9 series "It is the perfect LED LCD TV"

You say you never heard of the greek site and could not care less.

Yet you accept that the philips 9 series " is the perfect LED LCD TV"

Wern't you the one who said in the other forum or this forum that you haven't heard about flatpanels HD.

Also you forgot to post the pics taken on axis from the same website, what does that mean?

Philips:





LG:

Well in on axis the effect is less,in off axis the effect is worse more so in LG .
despite using a low shutter time,then the philips which uses a slightly higher time.Why didn't the reviewer find the same effect in Sony.He specfically add the clouding is missing aka halos.

Digital versus picture shows that even on axis it can be seen

LG is doing really well globally and they are the only real competition for Samsung now, this means they are doing things right in-spite of their tv's priced as expensive as Samsung.

False marketing about a panel's advantage is not only done by LG it also done by Samsung and Sony.

Samsung Edges Out TV Rivals - WSJ.com

No idea how that relates to this thread.

In lcd samsung has been the leader in sales since 2006 or 2007 and Sony and lg have been trading second and third positions,which has been discussed here.

currently Sony is in second position world wide in lcd sales ,since lG sells both lcd and plasma their market share is higher(except samsung which still sell more lcds then sony) But sony still sells more lcds then LG.
Its lcd business went from loss to profit this year.
http://www.displaysearch.com/cps/rd...ntinued_growth_but_some_regions_weakening.asp

 

[longshanks]

The clouding he is talking about is different ,i am talking about the implementation of local dimming by LG which shows the clouding like effect CAUSED BY ITS LOCALIZED DIMMING.Did you even read the review from them and Digital versus.

Why is the clouding happening in HX800 then?

No matter local dimming , edge LED clouding happens due to back lighting is what i understand so how can that be different? or may be i understood incorrectly.

Then why did you post a pic stating there is no clouding in HX800 when it does not even have local dimming? arent you supposed to post a pic of a sony tv having local dimming to compare? what did you miss there?

Are you contradicting to your way of comparison?

Apples to Apples.

Local dimming TV to Local dimming TV

Not Local dimming to Edge led

Is what you should have done to justify that statement in your reply.

You say you never heard of the greek site and could not care less.

Yet you accept that the philips 9 series " is the perfect LED LCD TV"

Wern't you the one who said in the other forum or this forum that you haven't heard about flatpanels HD.

Seriously i don't care much about any review site, hence unlike you i don't impose thoughts into people's mind reading stuff in the internet unless otherwise ive seen it in person. I posted the reviews from flat panel hd or that greek site since you posted , i am not agreeing that Philips 9 series is the best from that greek website statement, it was just to imply that the same website u have as a source prefers Philips, how ever from what ive seen personally in LCD's i prefer Philips any day over Sony expect for the re-sale value.


you should stop stalking my post in all various forums and seriously get some rest.

Why didn't the reviewer find the same effect in Sony.

I am guessing ive already posted enough about the sony clouding issue from flatpanel HD, so best of luck with your ignorance and its obvious u will lean towards any site which favors sony.

 

[adder]

Why is the clouding happening in HX800 then?

No matter local dimming , edge LED clouding happens due to back lighting is what i understand so how can that be different? or may be i understood incorrectly.

Then why did you post a pic stating there is no clouding in HX800 when it does not even have local dimming? arent you supposed to post a pic of a sony tv having local dimming to compare? what did you miss there?

Are you contradicting to your way of comparison?

Apples to Apples.

Local dimming TV to Local dimming TV

Not Local dimming to Edge led

Is what you should have done to justify that statement in your reply.

Clouding or flashlighting can happen in any lcd tv,be it philips,samsung or Sony etc lcd monitors ,laptops,mobile phones etc whether it has a LED backlight.LED edge lit or CCFL lit.Which is due to manufacturing defect. www.mademan.com/mm/how-repair-flash...ghting+occur+in+lcds&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in

So if you have the same tv and i also have the same tv,yours may have the problem where as mine doesn't.

Where as the pictures are illustrating the light seepage cause by local dimming LED ,this problem as i mentioned earlier is more so in the 2010 models then the LH90.
A completly local dimming set will dim the backlight so you get even blacks when the input is blank or completely black.Where as non dimming sets and limited local dimming sets will show some kind of clouding if there is a manufacturing defect.

If you look at the HX800 vs philips 8series lcd objective data image,you can see that philips has lesser uniformity then the Sony HX800 .So it varies from one particular review piece to other.

The Sony HX800 still is called a local dimming lcd like the samsung C8xxx or 9xxxx.I had posted in this very forum how their LED dimming works.But they have limited zones compared to Say the LH90 or the high end philips and Sony/samsng B8500.

And again the main reason the pictures were posted was to show that local dimming lcds based on IPS don't have pixel level advantage over VA based NON-local dimming sets.In areas such as non Dimmed zones and light seepage zones

Seriously i don't care much about any review site, hence unlike you i don't impose thoughts into people's mind reading stuff in the internet unless otherwise ive seen it in person. I posted the reviews from flat panel hd or that greek site since you posted , i am not agreeing that Philips 9 series is the best from that greek website statement, it was just to imply that the same website u have as a source prefers Philips, how ever from what ive seen personally in LCD's i prefer Philips any day over Sony expect for the re-sale value.


you should stop stalking my post in all various forums and seriously get some rest.

Well i am not stalking you,it is you who came here and highlighted a post of mine.
Unfortunately some individual here just cook up thinks from their bottom,there is no proof that they actually saw the product.The fact that they always post BS about a certain company ,even before its has been launched or seen.
The fact that they only have to post negative things about a company and not one positive thing,its very hard to take their posts seriously.

The fact the persons post things such as they have never heard of anandtech or never heard of HDTVtest.co.uk ,well atleast i don't buy that.Or the fact that they completely dismiss a particualr site + points of one company,yet post stuff from the same site to post the drawbacks of the same company product or use the same site to defend /praise the product of another company

If you prefer philips lcd good for you,i have nothing against philips never have posted anything against them,unlike you i Don't bash any company.

I am guessing ive already posted enough about the sony clouding issue from flatpanel HD, so best of luck with your ignorance and its obvious u will lean towards any site which favors sony.

I have never said there is no clouding issue in sony or any other lcd cause by manufacturing defect.

 

[longshanks]

Unfortunately some individual here just cook up thinks from their bottom,there is no proof that they actually saw the product.The fact that they always post BS about a certain company ,even before its has been launched or seen.
The fact that they only have to post negative things about a company and not one positive thing,its very hard to take their posts seriously.

Right back at you.

The fact the persons post things such as they have never heard of anandtech or never heard of HDTVtest.co.uk ,well atleast i don't buy that.Or the fact that they completely dismiss a particualr site + points of one company,yet post stuff from the same site to post the drawbacks of the same company product or use the same site to defend /praise the product of another company

Right back at you.

have nothing against philips never have posted anything against them

Read first comparison post in this tread or is it short term memory loss?

I have never said there is no clouding issue in sony or any other lcd cause by manufacturing defect.

Read first comparison post in this tread or is it short term memory loss?

 

[venkatcr]

Rajapraveen and Adder. Both please back off. I think both of you have made your points very eloquently. Every TV has it's merits and demerits. Let readers decide what they like from your explanations.

If your posts are continued the way of the last few posts, this will become a personal fight.

Cheers

 

[adder]

Right back at you.



Right back at you.

Tell me which company did i bash.i call philips a philips,lg as lg.You on the other hand call Sony Fony,whats that?
Didn't you yourself acknowledge that you "just hate Sony"

Read first comparison post in this tread or is it short term memory loss?



Read first comparison post in this tread or is it short term memory loss?

Where have i said anything bad about philips,i was pointing out the effects caused by local dimming.I even higlighted that the effect is exaggerated by the slightly longer exposure time.

Also i said clouding aka halos like effect caused by local dimming,which is different from clouding caused by manufacturing defect.


@Venkatcr
well i would very like to stick to the topic.

 

[Kittu]

Raja n Adder bhai,

There is lot of info that is useful from your posts. Please let it be a product shootout. Dont shoot each other .....:lol:..

Continue to post all the valueble information you have(about products).

Cheers
Kittu

 

[Amarendra]

Hi,

just went through very elaborate comparisons between the Samsung 32 C630 and Sony 32 EX500. The picture on Sony looked better to me. While the Samsung can play most movie formats, you can connect a PS 3 or other media players to get the same results. Particularly striking was the difference when I played a clip from the movie 2012 which looked brilliant on Sony vs Samsung. Still it will pay if you carry your own video source with you. Good luck

 

[kamal485]

Models : sony : EX500
: samsung : c630,c650
: LG : c650


panels:
panel used by samsung and sony: SPVA ( developed by samsung and sony, advantages: black level are more than IPS)
panel used by LG ( Advanced IPS panel(also used by apple,toshiba,panasonic) , advantages : true colour reproduction
in any angles vertical/horizontal)
note : beware of 'panel lottery' in samsung - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1178897


sony/lg uses matte screen
samsung uses glossy screen (disadvantages: glare/reflection)

maximum video formats suppoted in USB playback : Samsung,LG (formats like .mkv,divxHD,divx normally
BDRip/BRRip downloaded from torrents will be of this format)
sony will play only MPEG1(CD),MPEG2(DVD) . if u are
planning to buy a blue-ray player(now market price 10k to 18k)
don't conider this as the players supports max formats

Internet support :LG/Samsung : youtube,picassa,etc
response time :lg- 2ms, samsung/sony - 4ms
ports :lg - USB :2,ethernet:1,HDMI:3,Composite,vga,etc
sony - usb:1,ethernet:0,hdmi:4,composite,vga,etc
samsung -USB :2,ethernet:1,HDMI:4,Composite,vga,etc
refresh rate :sony-120Hz,samsung -120hz,LG-240hz


Now go to a showroom and do the following tests:
1) play SD content ( normal cable channels ) and check the quality
2) play HD (either from HD-channels / blueray/USB) check quality
3) play news channel and check scrolling messages (does it flicker) or which tv it is smooth
4) see the TV from different angles and check colour quality
5) carry a pendrive with common video/audio formats(.mkv is must) .plug it to TV and check quality.
6) if possible check internet features.
7) check audio quality if u don't have a home theatre.
8) if u decided , bargain max and ask for freebies ..njoy