46 inch plus TV .. HX750 or HX850 or ST50

Just4kix, I dont think there is anything in that review to make a ST50 owner feel offended. Nowhere in the whole review ST50's PQ prowess has been questioned. If you look at the scores it reflects the true facts. For watching movies in a dark environment the ST50 is better than HX850 and that is clearly mentioned. They picked HX850 as the winner only because being a plasma, the ST50 is not stellar in daylight and brightly lit rooms. There the HX850 edges it. And also it looks much better, has better features, the brightest 3D picture .

I have also mentioned the ST50 will perform slightly better in a dark room, but overall both are equal.
avmaxfan,

Please pardon if I sound offended. I am not. :)

Those who will take pains to understand the drawbacks of plasma will be completely aware that plasma is not suitable in brightly lit rooms. Also is a known fact that plasma will consume more energy - more than twice than the comparable size LED.

I am also saying that HX850 is close to ST50 but definitely a notch below. I was looking very closely at 46HX850 and 50ST50 when I was buying. Unfortunately, I could never achieve a side-by-side comparison and then went solely based on memory. The experts' website all clearly rated ST50 above. I was satisfied with both. Finally it came to price. The 46HX850 was quoted to me at 117,500 (best offer). The 50ST50 came to me at 105,000 (some got it for 4~5k less!). So 4" of extra width at 12,500 less convinced me.
 
kix.. I agree.. lookwise and ownership pride is concerned.. Sony wins (hands down).. overall performance is also very good incl PQ, and above all readily available.. sales service is also really good..

The only place where 50ST50 still weighs more than 46HX850 is it is somewhat cheaper @ 15k.. and u get extra 4 inch.. and overall the PQ is a tad better.. but no way available.. Sales service seems are not great (as per few forum members)..

Lookwise really outdated.. It comes distant 3/4 th position.. Sony, Samy, LG looks much better..
Brand perception definitely is not as great as Sony..

Now if they can make the price difference to 25k or so (which is possible if you add the value of freebie).. they will get 10-15 points extra only for that.. with 3 yrs warranty..
 
The best price i can get you is 1.15k for Sony HX850 46inch withbill, delivery and installation.. and in case if you dont want the 3d glasses for now you can minus 5k from it.. so it will cost you 1.10k.. but i think you were getting a good deal on indiatimes shopping also.. if you are not getting Panasonic st50 then dont consider it.. the next best option is Sony HX850.. buy that.. no point in comparing what is not in stock.
 
Well you definitely made the right choice just4kix. :)

As I mentioned already, CNET reviews are done in a pitch black room where it's no surprise the HX850 didn't perform as well as ST50 according to them. Also the fact that David is a plasma lover and that he isn't particularly good at calibrating LED sets makes it quite clear why in his review ST50 is made out to be quite a lot better than HX850.
A well calibrated HX850 will perform better than what David suggests.

Sound and Vision Mag, What HiFi, Home Theater Mag are all not just Internet tech sites like CNET but publications as well and are highly respected. They are specialists in Home Cinema equipment reviews unlike CNET which is just an Internet jack of all trades master of none tech blog/site.

I am not going to include review sites that give subjective reviews, so including only trustworthy sites that back up reviews with quantitative data both ST50 & HX850 get 5 on 5 or 10 on 10 for PQ. So for two TVs that score 10/10 it's really not fair to say that one is a notch below the other.

Color accuracy is similar, contrast ratio is similar (ST50 gets >5000:1, HX850 gets 2800:! with Local Dimming OFF, 4500:1 with Local Dimming on LOW, >5000:1 with Local Dimming on Standard)

Black Levels for the two are also similar with the HX850 Local Dimming on Standard Mode, ST50 still is slightly better.

They are both exceptional. ST50 is better in darkness and HX850 is better in daylight/bright room lighting.

Viewing angles is one area where HX850 is no match to the ST50 though. ST50 destroys the HX850 in this area.

Then it's all down to LED vs Plasma. Whether you prefer more vibrant colors or more natural colors, solid blacks most of the times and very good blacks in complete darkness, or only good black levels most of the times and excellent blacks in complete darkness, brighter picture or a more soothing not so bright picture.


I was actually seriously considering the ST50/GT50 as it would have been nice to have both a top end LCD as well a top end Plasma at home but unfortunately there were a lot of things that made me forget about that plan.

Also I must make it clear I have nothing against Panasonic, in fact I prefer Panasonic for home appliance products and I'd say they would be my brand of choice if Sony did not exist.

First, the design of both ST/GT50 is uninspiring to say the least. I really wish Panasonic spent more money on hiring better designers. I almost felt like I had gone back in time when I demoed the GT/ST50 right after spending some time with HX850.

Second, the 3D image was very impressive with very good layer separation and no crosstalk, but it was a bit too dim for my liking.

The same goes for the overall 2D PQ. Any hint of sunlight makes the picture look too dim and blacks look more grey than some mid range LED sets.

But in very low light no doubt it puts out a stunning picture. I'd personally pick the ST/GT50 over the HX850 if I watched TV in a completely dark room all the time. The brightness is perfect for a dark room, 3D is amazing, black levels are inky, colors are much more realistic and almost have a soothing feel. I really like that, but unfortunately I am buying a 40/42 inch TV to use in my room as a monitor half the time and I don't think I can live with the dim Plasma picture. Not to mention the possibilities of Image retention and burn in.

And also one area where the HX850 has an edge is in delivering an almost 3D like 2D picture depending on content. Not just HX850 but any good LED set has almost a 3D feel which Plasmas don't have. Of course that isn't particularly a plus point as some may like that and some won't. I personally enjoy that characteristic.

Also I don't mean to offend any Panasonic TV owners, but their remote controls also need to be designed better. Almost feels like a plastic toy.

But all said, ST50 is a brilliant TV and probably the best value high performance TV EVER !!!. You are and should be proud of owning the ST50. ;).



Also I think you misunderstood, nowhere in the review or did I personally say HX850 has better PQ than ST50. The reviewer has conducted a very detailed shootout with quantitative data and proof to backup his claims if you read the whole review. He picks the HX850 as its the overall better package, not that it has the best PQ possible (under certain conditions only).

P.S. I guess the post is too long now to be worth reading haha. :p.
 
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I am not a Panasonic fan either. In fact I consider them pretty pathetic when it comes to customer service. I purchased ST50 only because I liked it. In fact, till I was not aware of the plasma benefits, I would just refuse to look at Panasonic. :)

Now I wonder why HX925 (or the replacing HX950) is not available is smaller sizes.
 
Well .. well.. like the analogy of both Kix and avmax.. let's not extend this debate any further... as I have said already that goin by all the inputs.. as of Today 46HX850 has an edge over 50St50.. because it is readily available, great brand, great look, good PQ.. But if Pana can bring the gap of price to 25k or so apart from making it readily available .. then I think Pana will win hands down, as it will be a TV with really good PQ & great VFM ..

In any case, when I started this thread never expected that it will touch more than 100 comments.. :clapping: Thanx all for sharing great inputs, which will go a long way in helping a lot of people to compare this three sets virtually in Indian condition...:clapping:
 
I am not a Panasonic fan either. In fact I consider them pretty pathetic when it comes to customer service. I purchased ST50 only because I liked it. In fact, till I was not aware of the plasma benefits, I would just refuse to look at Panasonic. :)

Now I wonder why HX925 (or the replacing HX950) is not available is smaller sizes.

I know you aren't Sir. And trust me I have nothing but respect for you as a member :clapping:

You are happy with your decision and you have a TV that is capable of putting a fight against any TV ever made, there is nothing more one could ask for. :licklips:

As for the 46HX925, it is still available with some dealers depending on region. Also Infibeam has it in stock.

The HX950 isn't available in 46 inch I believe because of the low demand for a premium set in that size, when people would most likely get a 55 incher for the same price. Also the PQ difference between HX850 and HX950 isn't so staggering either so maybe Sony decided that the HX850 is more than capable of getting them the cash in the 46 inch category.

@manzb

Don't worry mate, it's just a friendly debate. As I said, just4kix is a highly respected member and he's always been unbiased and right in all his posts. So there is no possibility of things turning ugly at all :)
 
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I agree. This is just healthy debate. I respect everyone's opinion.

If I was in the market today, I would have said "bye-bye" to ST50 because of its unavailability.

To recapitulate: whether ST50 or HX850, you cannot go wrong.

Actually not many talk of GT50. The overall external looks of this TV is very good. Its dual tone bezel with metallic finish is exciting and the panel depth is less than 50mm and compares well with the thin LED models. I was in love with it but like an expensive girl friend had to dump her (it).
 
kix.. I saw GT50 @ Pana shop.. it is good, but not really a great modern looking one.. Though it might be in contrast to ST50... In fact, from external panel look.. HX850 is way ahead, followed by Samy models... that's purely my personal opinion...
 
kix.. I saw GT50 @ Pana shop.. it is good, but not really a great modern looking one.. Though it might be in contrast to ST50... In fact, from external panel look.. HX850 is way ahead, followed by Samy models... that's purely my personal opinion...

True. The designs could have been much better :sad: GT50 looks a year less old than ST50 but still not 2012 enough.
 
Great discussion guys and healthy thoughts all around...

Members like you & Posts like these make this forum worth it.:clapping:
 
@manzb

Are you considering getting the 55HX850 from Grey Market? :p

I am kind of tempted right now to get the 55 incher from Grey Market for 1.1 lacs. 20k over the "official" 40 inch price gets me 15 extra inches.

And personally I've never had to visit the service center for any of my Sony products, and I have quite a lot of Sony stuff.

At the same time, I understand it's slightly risky.

What do you say @aks316 ? Also will we get a completely sealed box ? Since there is no grey market in Pune, will probably need to buy from Mumbai.
 
Overall Points Tally

HX850 - 46 points
ST50 - 40 points
LM765 - 35 points
ES8000 - 34 points

Conclusion

As can be seen in most cases in the forefront or in the first place was a model from Sony or HX850. And it is not no surprise. It's the perfect meeting both TV viewing day and night. It is in my opinion the most versatile and has the most advantages of the tested four TV. The fact that it is impossible to find in other TV parts in which Sony will be weaker but overall it is the HX850 is the most positive features. It is therefore recommended for universal use just the LCD. To the cinema and Panasonic plasma evening sessions will also be a very good choice


P.S. The above conclusion is from the website and not my opinion :p

The ST50 should get total 10 points at max due to its image burn in problem , why should we not take into account the burn in problem it suffers from and not to forget this is not covered by the so called manufacturer warranty by Panasonic. All this after paying so much money, all the doubters can check out the ST50 owners thread for real proof:

http://www.hifivision.com/televisio...-first-impressions-reviews-tweaks-etc-37.html
 
avmax.. have not given a thought on the Grey market one.. actually I have 2 Sony items from Grey market.. a component system (8 years old) and the current 32inch LCD in use (5years old).. no issue whatsoever.. but I got it from a guy whom I knew for a long time and he gave his own guarantee.. now he has big multibrand electronics showroom with lots of sales staff.. I really doubt he is into this biz anymore..

Also at around 1 lac, I am not too confident to go to grey market.. but if they can offer me the 46HX850 at 60-70k.. I will definitely lap it up... But I really doubt.. not aware of any genuine guy who offers Sony stuff at a steal.. so u can say, @60-70k, Grey is fine.. else better go for the official one..

Btw, I am surprised that there is no one offering grey market Sony products in Pune..
 
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The ST50 should get total 10 points at max due to its image burn in problem , why should we not take into account the burn in problem it suffers from and not to forget this is not covered by the so called manufacturer warranty by Panasonic. All this after paying so much money, all the doubters can check out the ST50 owners thread for real proof:

http://www.hifivision.com/televisio...-first-impressions-reviews-tweaks-etc-37.html
That is no proof that all plasma owners suffer the same fate. For proof, check this thread: http://www.hifivision.com/television/30103-plasma-owners-you-facing-dreaded-ir-burn-issue.html
 
That is no proof that all plasma owners suffer the same fate. For proof, check this thread: http://www.hifivision.com/television/30103-plasma-owners-you-facing-dreaded-ir-burn-issue.html

Due to heavy plasma bias here, i doubt you will get a clear picture by a poll like this, instead i will focus on ownership threads like these which are real proofs:

http://www.hifivision.com/television/21127-anyone-seen-ir-burn-issue-51d550-plasma-2.html
http://www.hifivision.com/televisio...-first-impressions-reviews-tweaks-etc-37.html


where most of the people are suffering from image burn-in even after getting a top of the line plasma and i dont think they will be in a jolly good mood and will come and vote on this poll,also the other older people who would have suffered from image burn-in would have stopped this research about plasma and even stopped coming on forums.

I dont hate plasma nor do i hate you and other plasma owning members but yes this is a 100 percent true fact that a blind plasma worship is going on with certain members recommending plasmas to each and every person in every thread possible for any proposed budget,

And these recommendations are dished out to general public without explaining them in detail the negative effects/risk involved(Burn-in chance, Burn-in not covered under warranty, massive reflections) in buying plasma sets.
 
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@ avmaxfan Hi Sony HX850 is out of stock right now in grey market but i dont think you will get Sony HX850 55inch for less than 1.50L. Why not Sony HX850 46inch for 1.10L withbill? He is giving me the best price for Sony HX850 withbill in one hour. Sony HX750 is in stock in grey and you can get 55inch Sony HX750 for 1,05,000/- & 46inch Sony HX750 for 75k. Yes the product will be genuine but they always check the tv when they receive it.
 
You can still see the thread in avsforum on plasma burn in/IR ,its very much active means these are still issues on a plasma http://www.avsforum.com/t/949107/master-burn-in-ir-break-in-thread-part-ii-all-posts-here-only

What i see in forums here and in AVforums uk /AVS forums USA is that plasma owners are very defensive about plasma and majority of those owners only own plasmas.

Some owners who are ex owners of high end plasma like kuro and currently own high end lcds like sharp elite and HX92 are more of neutral in their opinions.They see and accept the pros and cons of lcd and plasma.

Where as most plasma only owners just refuse to acknowledge the cons of the plasma and pros of lcds.

I have seen threads in avsforums where owners who started a thread on their plasma burn in , being treated as if they committed a Sin.
 
Frankly when i was buying my tv i was also confused between Sony HX850 40inch & Sony HX750 46inch because of the almost same price but since my room is very small i went for Sony HX850 40inch. Sony HX850 just feels right with the right combination of design & picture quality. My next room i am surly getting 46inch or 55inch LED depending on my budget and size of my room. It will be the update model of Sony HX850 or if i get a good price on Sony HX850 46/55 i will buy that. Hopefully my new room will be ready mid-next year.
 
@ avmaxfan Hi Sony HX850 is out of stock right now in grey market but i dont think you will get Sony HX850 55inch for less than 1.50L. Why not Sony HX850 46inch for 1.10L withbill? He is giving me the best price for Sony HX850 withbill in one hour. Sony HX750 is in stock in grey and you can get 55inch Sony HX750 for 1,05,000/- & 46inch Sony HX750 for 75k. Yes the product will be genuine but they always check the tv when they receive it.

46HX850 with bill for 1.10 lac where? Not in Pune right? :sad:
 
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