CMoy - Pocket Headphone Amp !!

Glad to report that headamp is working, got the kitsnspares delivery yesterday only issue is the ALPS pot they shipped isnt dual. So I tried a cheapo dual 47K and 10K elcon pot and the tracking wasnt great with both used separately, tried without pot and am getting much better volume tracking thru the phone/mp3 player.

Areas I need help with:

1. Amp is not always silent, hiss / hum at times.
2. when playing sometimes it feels there's a phone call coming [kind of noise we get when a mobile phone is near car stereo/radio]
3. And then at times it will play perfectly no problem whatsoever.
4. I've jumpers in place of R5, tutorial suggests to use resistance only if there are noise issues, shall I try that ?
5. its not enclosed yet, would this also make a difference ?

TIA
Akki
 
1. Amp is not always silent, hiss / hum at times.
2. when playing sometimes it feels there's a phone call coming [kind of noise we get when a mobile phone is near car stereo/radio]
3. And then at times it will play perfectly no problem whatsoever.
4. I've jumpers in place of R5, tutorial suggests to use resistance only if there are noise issues, shall I try that ?
5. its not enclosed yet, would this also make a difference ?
1.Hiss/Hum-try the R5.May not always cure the issue
2.Your CMOY input is acting like an antenna.this is due to RF interference.Depends on layout,though almost all CMOY's ive made have this issue,because of the layout.
5.It may make a difference.If it is an metal case,like the altoids tin the thing is designed for.You are using the JDS Labs board arent you?
what i did was,i enclosed the whole cmoy in foil.you may need to experiment with the foil though.you also risk shorting out your cmoy on the foil.

Also,the type of pot you need is a LOG-AUDIO,DUAL GANG .the dual gang means two pots in one body.for dual channel audio.you need a RK097 dual pot,like the one i have
Buy Potentiometers Carbon dual pot,2x10K log 9mm 50mW Alps RK09712200JB online from RS for next day delivery.
 
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Hey Suraj, thanks for the reply:

1. I've dual gang pot locally sourced with six pins/stereo/dual - values 10k and 47k they suck at tracking, much better if volume is controlled thru source.

2. Quoting from the tutorials tweaking part

Tweaks


Tuning the Gain

In an op-amp circuit, the resistors in the feedback loop (R3 and R4 in this case) set the gain: the amount by which the output voltage is multiplied compared to the input voltage. The formula for gain in this amp is

To change the amps gain, you can change whichever of the two resistors is most convenient. You should pick values somewhere in the 1?k? to 100?k? range. Lower is better, for a couple of reasons. First, high values will increase your circuits susceptibility to stray RF and electromagnetic noise. Second, higher resistor values are inherently nosier. (You can explore this phenomenon with my op-amp noise calculator.) If you go much below 1?k?, the current wasted through the feedback loop will become significant.

The default gain of 11 is fine to start with. It wont let you use the full sweep of the volume knob unless you have very inefficient headphones or a very weak source, but it does provide good, stable operation of the op-amp. As you lower the gain, you make it more and more likely that the op-amp will become unstable. Indeed, some op-amps wont work reliably at low gains. The OPA13x series chips are unity gain stable, meaning that you can take them down to a gain of 1, if your circuit is built soundly. (You get a gain of 1 by connecting the output straight to the inverting input.)

I have used a gain as low as 2 with inefficient Sennheiser 500 series and AKG K x01 headphones, when the source is strong enough. Similarly, a gain of 2 or 3 with efficient headphones should work fine even with weak sources. A gain of 5 or 6 is practical for almost all combinations of sources and headphones.

For your first amp, build it with a gain of 11 at first. Then once its working correctly, try out different feedback resistor values, checking carefully for audible distortions with each change. Once you get to a gain level you like and its stable, box it up.


Quieting Noises (R5)

Normally the R5 position in the CMoy amplifier is shorted. (0??) This gives the amplifier the best control over the headphone drivers, and results in the best sound in most circumstances. Sometimes, however, putting some resistance in the R5 position is necessary to quiet some sort of noise you hear in the headphones.

Before I go into more details, please read all the information on noise in the companion article Basic Troubleshooting for Headphone Amplifiers. The solutions in that article, if they work, are superior. Adding R5 should only be done as a last resort.

Having tried everything else to get rid of noise, try putting 10?? to 100?? in the R5 position. Higher values will be more effective, but because lower values have fewer bad side effects, your incentive is to use the lowest value you can get away with.
 
ah,yes,try lowering gain too.
Infact,i mis-answered point 4.
the answer was meant for the cmoy picking up interference.A metal case will act as a faraday cage,and can considerably lower the phone-like-noise issue.
 
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Changing the the cable between source and CMoy has fixed the noise issues to a large extent.

Gain still seems to be an issue - present gain is 11 and it gets comfortably loud at 40% volume. However Gain of 11 is OK with some sources and is not good with others as it induces stray noises.

Will try a gain of 6 which is is believed to be practical for almost all combinations of sources and headphones.

There's hiss/hum when a track is paused and not audible when the track is played !!

Tried NE5532 as a drop in replacement in ckt to check the IC, it sounds terrible and there's a lot of distortion - maybe in this layout rolling OPamps is restricted between OPA13X series !



SOUND:


Samsung Note II / Cowon J3 / LG Optimus P500 ? CMoy ? Headphones


OPA2134PA is a nice chip but I feel, in this design it ain't working at its full potential. I miss the "pitch black" silence, bass is muddy - lacks definition and there's "very little" detail in complex passages. It gets fatiguing at 40% volume after approx 45 min of listening.

Am I expecting too much out of this CMoy ?

I've decided to box it up after I set the gain at 5/6 with some resistance in R5 to further quieten the noise in headphones.
 
Tangent's cure for hiss, is the R5.i use 68 ohm resistors,and it has reduced hiss,not eliminated it.
Also,when i play music on my pc,its there.Even when i use my Galaxy SII.
however,its non existent on my i-touch 4G.

Expect too much?well,its for the fun of doing it right?i boosted the supply part, ,buffered the ground circuits and buffered the outputs and have rolled atleast a dozen opamps.I get some good response,but still its way short of a full blown hi-fi amp.of course,its all shoddy amateur work,so that also adds to the loss of quality.
 
All in all the sound is not too bad for a sub 500/- rs amp !!


Let me increase the resistance in the feedback loop for a lower gain of 6 and add some resistance in R5 and box it up.
 
OK, have settled for a gain of 3~4 by replacing the 1k R3 resistor with a 4.7k, hiss/hum is almost non existent and also lets me use the full sweep of vol tracker.

will post a few pics after boxing.

****OT****

Can someone please suggest a good quality cable [strong & flexible] for HP re-cabling available locally, preferably terminated at one end with a 3.5mm stereo jack. Can a good quality microphone cable do the job ?

Am open to ordering it online [import] as well only it shouldn't cost an arm and a leg !

PS: its for a modded Sony MDR-XD200
 
even i am interested in getting a good headphone cable.Do tell me if you get any source.
I did get some stuff from SP road bangalore before,but am not finding the same quality cables now.
Here's a photo of my amp.I recycled it for a better design though.


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Hey Suraj,

Ya man sick of not being able to find good cables locally even if there are then cant help the shopkeepers prompt reply "kitna chaiye" [how much do you want ?]

Sure will let you know if I find some thing worthwhile !

Maybe some one can chime in and help us out !!

Cant access images at work, will check em' out later at home.
 
Here's my completed CMoy BB v2.03 with PCB and panel components by JDS labs.

John Seaber at JDS labs is an awesome guy to deal with, his communication is super prompt , shipping charges are the lowest and delivery time is exceptionally good. Placed 2 orders at different times and on both occasions received delivery in less than 10 days !! [Suppliers like Farnell/kitsnspares take 14 -20 days]

Now, about the amp, I'd started with perf board initially and had a fully functional amp only on the 3rd attempt. Sourcing parts wasnt easy as I was a total newbie and had to make atleast 3 visits to local market [lajpat rai] combined with stuff bought off kitsnspares. The amp looked messy but performed well [pics later]. For any newbie thinking of making a CMoy, I'd suggest start with a kit as sourcing parts is time and money consuming and personally feel that buying a kit is the way to go in DIY, YMMV !!

This CMoy with JDS labs PCB + panel components and other locally sourced parts surpasses every CMoy I've made for me and friends in terms of SQ, refinement, assembling and aesthetics. This time I also tried another OPamp AD823ANZ instead of usual OPA2134PA... I like both amps but find AD823ANZ marginally better.

I'd definitely like to improve my case work skills.


A few pic's

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**OT**

Please advise the required settings to get best possible SQ from my head-fi setup at home, read somewhere that even if the setting in foobar is set to USB DAC windows still interferes and would change the bitrate etc.

PC [foobar2000] - USB - Fiio E7 - Cmoy - HP/IEM
 
Hey Novice-akki ... looks a tidy job man. Can I audition it sometime? Id like to pair my Sennheiser HD598 with it.
 
I had told you about jds labs cmoy components as they provide great service. Procured two ODACs from them for myself and a forum member. Reached within 10 days.
 
For the cmoy you can order a PCB from jds labs.

Paaji, It's only now that I realize would have been better off going this route and by now I would have reached my 3rd project. Guess had to learn the hard way !! But, please dont stop providing invaluable help and guidance for future projects.

I had told you about jds labs cmoy components as they provide great service. Procured two ODACs from them for myself and a forum member. Reached within 10 days.

Yes, that's incredible !!
It's a shame that he doesn't sell other stuff.

How do you like your ODAC ? a brief description will surely help.

Cheers
 
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