abhi_jollyguy
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Exactly, I also have this same question. I have seen so many who use speakers from other brand, sub from other and amp from other.
Floorstanding Speakers or Studio Monitors?
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Exactly, I also have this same question. I have seen so many who use speakers from other brand, sub from other and amp from other.
Dont go for a sub right now. Go for good speakers, plonk all your money into good speakers. You can go for a good sub later.
A good system isnt built overnight. it takes a lot of effort, research, time, money etc. Assume it will take atleast a few years. Speakers are the most important part of a system. If your speakers are not good, does not matter what sub, what amp you are using, it will sound like crap. I personally never liked wharfdale, too muddy, too much boomy bass, not enough clarity, though a lot of guys will vouch for them.
If you split your money in sub and spkrs, sometime later, you will end up replacing both of them, not getting enough returns on investment. Buy good speakers, later when you have more money, get a better amp and source, and then go for an additional sub. A sub only covers from 20-80hz, speakers cover from 80hz to 20,000hz. you do the math, which is more important. And good subs are rare, in your budget, you will only get a shitty sub.
I would recommed morduant short mezzo 1 or 2, or even the aviano over the wharfies. usher also has a good model in this range, cant recollect the model number.
sub doesnt need to be from the same brand. infact, there is absolutely no reason to go for the same brand/series sub.
A good system isnt built overnight. it takes a lot of effort, research, time, money etc. Assume it will take atleast a few years. Speakers are the most important part of a system. If your speakers are not good, does not matter what sub, what amp you are using, it will sound like crap. I personally never liked wharfdale, too muddy, too much boomy bass, not enough clarity, though a lot of guys will vouch for them.
If you split your money in sub and spkrs, sometime later, you will end up replacing both of them, not getting enough returns on investment. Buy good speakers, later when you have more money, get a better amp and source, and then go for an additional sub. A sub only covers from 20-80hz, speakers cover from 80hz to 20,000hz. you do the math, which is more important. And good subs are rare, in your budget, you will only get a shitty sub.
I would recommed morduant short mezzo 1 or 2, or even the aviano over the wharfies. usher also has a good model in this range, cant recollect the model number.
sub doesnt need to be from the same brand. infact, there is absolutely no reason to go for the same brand/series sub.
abhi_jollyguy
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Hmm this is a gud idea, then I will add sub later on
for now it's just speakers and amp.
My room is 175-180 sq. ft. and will listen to 14 ft max distance, i think it is 12 ft only. so why not consider KRK RP8?
sonosphere
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Hi Abhi, Iaudio,
This was adviced considering that Abhi has no opportunity to audition the bookshelf-sub combo. Many people have this problem. So under these circumstances its better to go for "safe" / "established" combinations preferred by users OR voice-matched combinations designed by the manufacturers, than to gamble on combinations derived from written specs.
Further comments on this issue:
1. It is quite well accepted that in a 5.1 speaker set, the center speaker MUST be from the same series as the front speaker. The reason being that both speakers have overlapping freq-spectrum, so sonic-pattern of CS must match the FS, identically the way it matches when we join our left hand palm with right palm. See the case for sub and FS match below...
2. In case of Sub and FS match, it is not case of freq-spectrum overlap being identical, but it is a case where a limited freq-spectrum of FS and Sub around the cross-over freq is overlapping (there is also a factor of loudness slope... but we will skip that to focus on the KEY-factor of overlapping freq). Just because in this case the overlap happens in a limited band doesn't mean that voice matching matters less than the CS vs FS match. Well to a discerning audiophile it does matters, and to a explosive fx lover it doesn't. Why? see below...
3. There is no such thing as genuine sound of explosion, but there is such thing as genuine sound of Cello (well there are many types of cellos also... but lets not get into that. You know the point I am making
). So we have some people choosing a different sub than the same series as FS, because it's better bang for buck, or it simply delivers better bang fx than the sub of same series. Wait, there are more reasons below...4. Generally speaking, a sub belonging to budget-range of 5.1 series will not be as fast and musically linear as the FS of same range. (This is why many audiophiles suggest going for a floorstander instead of BS + sub combo) Hence a person may buy Sub from different series /make that is as fast and musical as the FS. This is a case when even a discerning audiophile will choose a sub from different series. (But these are rare cases... how many people have BS + REL /Velodyne premium-sub combos? not even 5% of audiophile crowd.)
Most likely a BS will be paired with VFM-sub. And in that scenario same series voice-matching is the "safe bet"... Even this combo is pretty rare, but is shouldn't be, once people agree to its merits. IMHO in a 10 feet x 15 feet room, the bass-management is very important and only BS-Sub combo can offer good flexibility. In such rooms if you put a Bass-rich bookself or floorstander, then one of the speaker gets pushed to the corner due to furniture layout restrictions, leading to unequal boomy sound. BS-Sub bass management will definately give "comparatively" flatter freq-response in such room.
Well, there can be exceptions to the all the generalisations above, my advice to Abhi is to play safe, since he can't audition the combos.
Regds,
Sonosphere
P.S: Abhi, Iaudio... wake-up the post is over
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abhi_jollyguy
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Hi Abhi, Iaudio,
This was adviced considering that Abhi has no opportunity to audition the bookshelf-sub combo. Many people have this problem. So under these circumstances its better to go for "safe" / "established" combinations preferred by users OR voice-matched combinations designed by the manufacturers, than to gamble on combinations derived from written specs.
Further comments on this issue:
1. It is quite well accepted that in a 5.1 speaker set, the center speaker MUST be from the same series as the front speaker. The reason being that both speakers have overlapping freq-spectrum, so sonic-pattern of CS must match the FS, identically the way it matches when we join our left hand palm with right palm. See the case for sub and FS match below...
2. In case of Sub and FS match, it is not case of freq-spectrum overlap being identical, but it is a case where a limited freq-spectrum of FS and Sub around the cross-over freq is overlapping (there is also a factor of loudness slope... but we will skip that to focus on the KEY-factor of overlapping freq). Just because in this case the overlap happens in a limited band doesn't mean that voice matching matters less than the CS vs FS match. Well to a discerning audiophile it does matters, and to a explosive fx lover it doesn't. Why? see below...
3. There is no such thing as genuine sound of explosion, but there is such thing as genuine sound of Cello (well there are many types of cellos also... but lets not get into that. You know the point I am making
4. Generally speaking, a sub belonging to budget-range of 5.1 series will not be as fast and musically linear as the FS of same range. (This is why many audiophiles suggest going for a floorstander instead of BS + sub combo) Hence a person may buy Sub from different series /make that is as fast and musical as the FS. This is a case when even a discerning audiophile will choose a sub from different series. (But these are rare cases... how many people have BS + REL /Velodyne premium-sub combos? not even 5% of audiophile crowd.)
Most likely a BS will be paired with VFM-sub. And in that scenario same series voice-matching is the "safe bet"... Even this combo is pretty rare, but is shouldn't be, once people agree to its merits. IMHO in a 10 feet x 15 feet room, the bass-management is very important and only BS-Sub combo can offer good flexibility. In such rooms if you put a Bass-rich bookself or floorstander, then one of the speaker gets pushed to the corner due to furniture layout restrictions, leading to unequal boomy sound. BS-Sub bass management will definately give "comparatively" flatter freq-response in such room.
Well, there can be exceptions to the all the generalisations above, my advice to Abhi is to play safe, since he can't audition the combos.
Regds,
Sonosphere
P.S: Abhi, Iaudio... wake-up the post is over
So u tell which speaker to go for? leave the sub-woofer for now coz I will upgrade to sub-woofer later on, when I have money.
abhi_jollyguy
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My Sound Preferences: Deep, tight, punchy bass with vocals like singer is singing standing next before me, and treble should be smooth only, not sparky at all. I hate boomy bass.
My Room size 180-185 sq. feet
will listen approx 12-13 ft. max
Usage: TV Serials, Hi-Def. Movies and Music.
Suggest now guys.
My Room size 180-185 sq. feet
will listen approx 12-13 ft. max
Usage: TV Serials, Hi-Def. Movies and Music.
Suggest now guys.
iaudio
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I would say MA BR2's would serve you fine.
Else ask Raghu of Decibel if he can ship the used Acoustic Energy Neo3. They are good speakers. Bu again, whether it will float your boat, I dont know.
Else ask Raghu of Decibel if he can ship the used Acoustic Energy Neo3. They are good speakers. Bu again, whether it will float your boat, I dont know.
abhi_jollyguy
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Quad 11L2 is costing me 29.5k after discount
Also tell me how is Klipsch RB-81?????
Also tell me how is Klipsch RB-81?????
sonosphere
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Hi Abhi,
Since you are not going for sub presently, I will suggest MA BX2 as 1st choice and MA BR2 as 2nd choice. The amp should be Norge-1000 or better (skip the temptation to save marginal amt. by choosing Norge-2060)
Regds,
Sonosphere
abhi_jollyguy
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ok so Do MA BX2 has deep tight punchy bass with great vocals and smooth treble????
Also, Norge-1000 is the great combo ???
what about the Yamaha A-S5500?
how much norge-1000 and Yamaha A-S5500 costs me?
yea sonosphere is right go for BX2 which has great bass and cheaper than quad i never auditioned BX2 but i doubt it will be tonally as good as quad 11L2 or latest 11L classic which is more superior and 50$ cheaper than 11L2 if u r not interested in lacquered finish!
but i heard on HFV that monitor audio's r bright! but i say go with BX2 if they have better bass because u are not gonna buy sub right away and while watching movies it will serve u good "or" buy a FS with side firing.... u knw wht
will u be using this setup for music also?
i will be auditioning setups soon for music and my priorities will be 11L classic, BX2 or better RX1!
but i heard on HFV that monitor audio's r bright! but i say go with BX2 if they have better bass because u are not gonna buy sub right away and while watching movies it will serve u good "or" buy a FS with side firing.... u knw wht
will u be using this setup for music also?i will be auditioning setups soon for music and my priorities will be 11L classic, BX2 or better RX1!
abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
Monitor Audio BX2 is fixed to buy but now which AMp will be better to drive these fully?
1. NAD C315BEE
2. Norge 1000
1. NAD C315BEE
2. Norge 1000
lot of users on this forum pair bx2 with marantz but i think NAD will be better in ur case. the reason is nad gives emphasis on lows which is good for u. nad 325bee rumbled 11l2 with enough bass (for music) and BX2 are not power hungry speakers. i think kevlar cones need very much power compared to other cones like papercones or other kind of cones 11l2 and 9.1 have kevlars. but i am not sure 315 will drive BX2 plenty enough for that "cinema sound".
just wanted to share an article on studio monitors vs hi-fi speakers
MONITORS versus HI-FI SPEAKERS
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul02/articles/monitors2.asp
may be this would help
MONITORS versus HI-FI SPEAKERS
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul02/articles/monitors2.asp
may be this would help
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rana_kirti
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Buddy,
The BX2 are very good speakers.....
But.... your choice is not complete until you consider the PSB Image B6. Its similar in pricing to the BX2 but is a much superior speaker IMHO.
These are ultra smooth... the treble very smooth... the sound is very natural.... the bass is deep & tight but not as much as BX2 but remember bass is not everything. You anyways want to add a sub later right ? Your room is small... you might not enjoy it if there is too much bass...
So in that case get a speaker which does highs & lows better than another speaker which does the highs and lows not so good but the bass better.... But remember a good musical subwoofer would end being twice as much the price of your pair of speakers. Though a cheaper sub like a sw150 is also very good & acceptable.... Eventually it all comes down to budget and we can get better & better sound/performance as we move up in price range ( to a point i guess ) and that is solely in your control.
With the B6 you will find in your own words.... "vocals like singer is singing standing next before me"....
The B6 is a speaker that you will be able to listen to for hours and hours without any fatigue because they are extremely smooth and they also have a very natural & easy going sound. These will suit all genres of music...!
Another Speaker that you will really love is Mordaunt Short Mezzo 1/2. Now these are very very very musical speakers. They have excellent highs mids & lows.... These are very exciting speakers. They are not very bright but not very dull either. They are just perfect if you like faster... pop/rock/dance style of music. They will be very good for other genres too...
I'm not an expert with speakers but i recently took demos of a lot of speakers from 15k to 75k. i'm also adding a link to my thread so that you may read about the different combination of speakers+amps that were used for the demos. Its been a 6 month journey which is still on....
http://www.hifivision.com/speakers/11247-stereo-speakers-rs-50000-60000-a.html
Maybe it can help you in making up your mind. Go through other threads also which have much more detail than my thread. And if possible try to hear out all the speakers that myself and others are suggesting and also that come up with your own research over the internet/magazines...
My top suggestion to you... PSB Image B6 vs. MS Mezzo 1/2.
Best of luck and do share with us what you eventually buy..... :clapping:
bhagwan
Well-Known Member
Re: Floorstanding Speakers or Studio Monitors? (Mainly for Movies)
Sir,
If you ever find a speaker - the kind you described - please do share with me, I too shall buy a pair;
I am very much interested...
I could never get the singer [performer] into my room, let alone to stand next to me !!
Sir,
If you ever find a speaker - the kind you described - please do share with me, I too shall buy a pair;
I am very much interested...
I could never get the singer [performer] into my room, let alone to stand next to me !!
bhagwan
Well-Known Member
Re: Floorstanding Speakers or Studio Monitors? (Mainly for Movies)
I guess the flaw is that I have a small 2 way book shelf speaker in my rather small listening room, so there is no place for the singer to 'stand' !!
Besides, it is a 'passive' device......
To get to a 'serious' note....
What is the space you can give to the speaker from the side walls & how much can you leave behind the speaker ???
This is a bit important in my opinion....
I could never get the singer [performer] into my room, let alone to stand next to me !!
I guess the flaw is that I have a small 2 way book shelf speaker in my rather small listening room, so there is no place for the singer to 'stand' !!
Besides, it is a 'passive' device......
To get to a 'serious' note....
What is the space you can give to the speaker from the side walls & how much can you leave behind the speaker ???
This is a bit important in my opinion....
abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
Thank you
Buddy,
The BX2 are very good speakers.....
But.... your choice is not complete until you consider the PSB Image B6. Its similar in pricing to the BX2 but is a much superior speaker IMHO.
These are ultra smooth... the treble very smooth... the sound is very natural.... the bass is deep & tight but not as much as BX2 but remember bass is not everything. You anyways want to add a sub later right ? Your room is small... you might not enjoy it if there is too much bass...
So in that case get a speaker which does highs & lows better than another speaker which does the highs and lows not so good but the bass better.... But remember a good musical subwoofer would end being twice as much the price of your pair of speakers. Though a cheaper sub like a sw150 is also very good & acceptable.... Eventually it all comes down to budget and we can get better & better sound/performance as we move up in price range ( to a point i guess ) and that is solely in your control.
With the B6 you will find in your own words.... "vocals like singer is singing standing next before me"....
The B6 is a speaker that you will be able to listen to for hours and hours without any fatigue because they are extremely smooth and they also have a very natural & easy going sound. These will suit all genres of music...!
Another Speaker that you will really love is Mordaunt Short Mezzo 1/2. Now these are very very very musical speakers. They have excellent highs mids & lows.... These are very exciting speakers. They are not very bright but not very dull either. They are just perfect if you like faster... pop/rock/dance style of music. They will be very good for other genres too...
I'm not an expert with speakers but i recently took demos of a lot of speakers from 15k to 75k. i'm also adding a link to my thread so that you may read about the different combination of speakers+amps that were used for the demos. Its been a 6 month journey which is still on....
http://www.hifivision.com/speakers/11247-stereo-speakers-rs-50000-60000-a.html
Maybe it can help you in making up your mind. Go through other threads also which have much more detail than my thread. And if possible try to hear out all the speakers that myself and others are suggesting and also that come up with your own research over the internet/magazines...
My top suggestion to you... PSB Image B6 vs. MS Mezzo 1/2.
Best of luck and do share with us what you eventually buy..... :clapping:
abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
Re: Floorstanding Speakers or Studio Monitors? (Mainly for Movies)
LOL I can find such speaker :lol: though I cannot demo any speaker that is why I am taking this much time before reaching to my perfect conclusion:sad:
Sir,
If you ever find a speaker - the kind you described - please do share with me, I too shall buy a pair;
I am very much interested...
I could never get the singer [performer] into my room, let alone to stand next to me !!
LOL I can find such speaker :lol: though I cannot demo any speaker that is why I am taking this much time before reaching to my perfect conclusion:sad:
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