Merlin TSM BME

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I was in Mumbai late last month and it was on my agenda to visit FM mpw to listen to his setup. Having followed his speaker search with interest, I was very interested to hear his Merlins. Mahesh is an extremely generous host and gladly made time for me despite the short notice.

FM mpw has a setup that is in a space (living room) that is shared by the entire family. The room is a large space with the system placed in one corner with one of the long wall on the left. The right side opens out to a large space which comprises of the dining area behind the listening position and an anteroom behind the speaker line. The ceiling is a stepped recessed design which accommodates lighting and a fan in the listening area. A large leather L shaped sofa and glass topped coffee table is positioned behind the "hot seat". Speaker toe in is with the hot seat in mind where FM mpw does his critical listening. The decor is modern sparse with little else in terms of furnishings with a medium sized carpet in place when listening sessions are on. The room is a huge space and has very nice acoustics which is a huge bonus in a shared family space.

Listening from the main seat is a pleasure. Sound stage is very well filled out. Center fill is solid with vocals coming from middle of the centre line. With the speakers positioned about 3 feet in to the room the sound stage was positioned about a foot back from the speaker line. The Merlins throw out beautiful mids and crisp highs - layering of the sound is effortless - typical of high quality speakers. The drivers in the Merlins are in a sealed box enclosure which makes for very tight bass no bloated bass in these speakers.

Most would be very happy with the sound as it is but it would be interesting to try these speakers with an amp with a little more grunt. His current Naim Integrated is a high quality 50 watter which provides plenty of the famous Naim PrAT. However an amp with more power might be able to plumb the LF depths a little more providing a little more foundation to the already wonderful mids and highs. I was hesitant to add this part but after some thought I will offer FM mpw this as an interesting possibility to experiment with somewhere down the road. As always the thought of diminishing returns comes to mind.

FM mpw has carefully considered a wide variety of factors and constraints - which we talked about - while putting together a gem of a system. Most would be happy with the setup and would be a great reference for a living room setup. I would like to thank Mahesh for his hospitality and letting me into his listening space for a wonderful evening.
 
thank you Nikhil for the very kind words on what is quite a modest and simple setup. It does produce some great music though.

Thank you also for describing my room very well. The TV in the center is a compromise so for some serious listening we normally cover it with a thick rajai / blanket etc... and that helps a lot in the soundstaging as you may have witnessed.

Your suggestion on the amp is well taken and it has been on my mind. ( Simply the theoretical possibility of getting more information from the music as the Merlins are rated upto 100W continuous ( SS power ) i understand. My Naits put out 50W and there is some elbow room there to fill out ).

I did put out a thread on the Naim forum asking this question but reading between the lines the replies i got were unsure maybe mostly because the british members or the european members there havent heard much of Merlin TSM and the they normally stick around with the usual suspects like naim speakers / PMC / Neats / Kudos etc..

The possibility of diminishing returns exists and the worse possibility is being worse off after a new amp as the Nait 5i-2 does a lot of things very very well. ( May not be the best out there in all individual departments but satisfying enough for me overall )

A few names on the amp front have been suggested by ears i respect but that will be for another thread once i accumulate the funds required and make the hard decision based on substantiated evidence of a significant jump ( to the extent possible ).

It is difficult to dismantle a naim - naim set up as the sonic advantages and single remote are quite convenient to have.

I would like to thank you for your time and you are welcome again.

regards
mpw
 
Nikhil I have also heard Mahesh's fabulous setup and I would agree with your assessment. The mids are well balanced, the highs are just right. The Naim Merlin combo seems to be doing everything beautifully, the Prat is to die for. But yes I do feel that just a wee bit more low end grunt would make this system rank up there with the very best. I may be nit picking but Mahesh should explore whether he could add some more power.
 
Your suggestion on the amp is well taken and it has been on my mind. ( Simply the theoretical possibility of getting more information from the music as the Merlins are rated upto 100W continuous ( SS power ) i understand. My Naits put out 50W and there is some elbow room there to fill out ).

I did put out a thread on the Naim forum asking this question but reading between the lines the replies i got were unsure maybe mostly because the british members or the european members there havent heard much of Merlin TSM and the they normally stick around with the usual suspects like naim speakers / PMC / Neats / Kudos etc..

The possibility of diminishing returns exists and the worse possibility is being worse off after a new amp as the Nait 5i-2 does a lot of things very very well. ( May not be the best out there in all individual departments but satisfying enough for me overall )

A few names on the amp front have been suggested by ears i respect but that will be for another thread once i accumulate the funds required and make the hard decision based on substantiated evidence of a significant jump ( to the extent possible ).

It is difficult to dismantle a naim - naim set up as the sonic advantages and single remote are quite convenient to have.

I would like to thank you for your time and you are welcome again.


Thanks mpw. It was a pleasure.

I am sure you have already put in a considerable thought into the amp selection. Diminishing returns is a factor specially considering the upgrade path within the Naim family. I did not look up your cables but I did manage to extract more from my setup with a cable upgrade.
Perhaps you could try out a Power Line or a Hi Line upgrade first before anything else?

On the whole, I think you are in a great place right now.
All comments from my side are for consideration sometime in the future.
 
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hi nikhil,

The Naim Nait 5i-2 will not accept an external power supply upgrade only my CD5XS will and i suspect that would be an incremental upgrade at best.

My Cables are again Naim Naca5 and well suited to the rig i have so that leaves the amp itself .

The new XS-2 has 70W on tap vis a vis the 50W i have now. It is certainly costly and only an audition can tell if the amp can last 3 years atleast w/o upgrade itch.

As we go up the mountain. the air becomes rarefied ( purer ?? ) and sometimes that kind of air is hard to breathe... :D so when i think of the SN2.. i am also petrified to lose the music in search of lesser THD.

But for the moment.. will enjoy where i am now.. :).. do up my living room with a large painting maybe think of a wall mounted LP rack and those little things...besides the music.

will put up pics next month when these are done..

njoi the week !!

mpw
 
As we go up the mountain. the air becomes rarefied ( purer ?? ) and sometimes that kind of air is hard to breathe...

Absolutely! I forgot to mention that you have a great place.
Very tastefully done. Of course that credit may be due to Mrs mpw and Mummy mpw!!

I was amazed at the development near your place. Normally we just zoom past the area on the highway with just a glance at the buildings. This was the first time I visited the area and it was a pleasant surprise.

:cool:
 
have spent some time with the subwoofer and the SL1210.

The subwoofer first - whilst adding the missing lows has made the music more complete.

Imagine a car with all the features and nothing missing.

It may not be a Rolls Royce ( perfect ) but its complete nevertheless. I cant complain about not being able to dig deeper into bass notes.

there seem to be imperfections in my room too and soundcyle's thread on the Dirac has got me thinking - i may or may not use the Dirac route but someday i want to take measured steps to make my room as good as it can be while retaining its identity as a shared space where sometimes me and my kiddos play cricket with a plastic bat and a light plastic colorful ball :lol:

The Merlins do their job in their merry way - they play full signal just as they want to. Have set the subwoofer crossover settings at about 55 Hz now so there is a nice roll off by the Merlins and take over by the sub.

I am loathe to do much experimentation on the positioning of the sub woofer save - trying the SVS footers which i got. Space reasons mainly and of-course time as well.

The Merlins are sealed box so the roll off is much shallower while not digging too deep into the music and that actually helps the subwoofer blend in a bit easier i suppose since there are no port related vagaries to take care of.

But i seem to be going too technical and maybe its time i stepped back end enjoyed what i have in all its imperfect glory ! ;)

regards
 
new subwoofer position in the pic and the plate amp ( sub amp ) settings captured on camera.

Amazing session, nice company and many thanks to all the gentlemen and my folks at home for putting up with my fancies.

:clapping:

regards
 
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Great to see this mpw!!
...maybe its time i stepped back end enjoyed what i have ...
this is what this hobby is basically about :) and sticking to Basics is what we sometimes miss out on :D
 
mpw,

I came across info that Rich Brkich of Signature Sound, NY is helping wrap up some of Bobby's work.
Rich has been doing the BAM upgrades for some time now. Posting his comments on CA for the benefit of any Merlin owners on here ...

Just to clarify some things...

1) I am working on getting to do Merlin VSM and TSM speaker upgrades and am providing service/support where I can too. It has taken longer than I have hoped to get to this point (I'm just a one man show!) on doing upgrades, but hope to do first trial run (Black Magic upgrade which uses the UpTone Musicaps) upgrade in a few weeks.

2) The Merlin BAM. As the current owner of the Merlin BAM (they where designed and made by JPS Labs [a evolution of the JPS Labs Golden Flutes made in the 90's for B&W speakers] on a OEM basis for Merlin prior to two years ago. At that time I bought the BAM from JPS and took over manufacture of them fro Merlin), I not only do upgrades, but also repairs and can build new BAM units.



---------------
Rich Brkich
Owner, Signature Sound
Liverpool, New York USA
Website: Signature Sound
FaceBook Page: www.facebook.com/Signature.Sound.HiFi
 
Thanks Nikhil !!

Nice to see this thread again !

Rich Brkich of Sigsound was a close friend of Bobby and i understand was Bobby's ears - to test and validate the sound of the Merlin speakers. They have done quite a few trade shows together.

I am in touch with him on another matter though and not about speakers at all.

Just like Bobby - he has been very patient and very understanding of all my trivial and sometimes crazy questions.

I do happen to have the latest upgrades on the TSM but its nice to know Rich can help if and when required.

Meanwhile - my Merlins continue to sing and manage to please the ears of those who come home sometimes to listen to some music.

:-))

regards
mpw
 
here is how the setup looks like today...

The 46 inch TV has given way to this painting.

I am not very good a taking photos but the sound is more relaxed now.

need a carpet up front.. will post a pic..

the subwoofer and TT is yet to be connected.

After 10 months of hibernation i kinda have gotten used to just the CDP and the naim nait 5i-2 + speakers..


regards
 
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Good to see this setup once again.

Made a quick calculation for your room length of 20 feet and found the room mode to be dominant at 56Hz. The other 2 modes to peak from the rear of the speaker looking at the setup would be 66Hz from speaker to listening postion (17 feet) and 375 Hz from speaker to rear wall (3 feet)
 
Thanks hari..

i got down to measuring my room with a measuring tape and tried to re-position the speakers as recommended in the Merlin Manual. The Cardas method is not for me as i do not have enough real estate to maintain the front baffle to rear wall ratio.

Connected the subwoofer today and this is nice music..

In moments of sanity - i think to myself what more could i possibly need ??

It would be an insane moment to disturb this system.

Maybe i need some insanity :yahoo:

It may not be perfect or very expensive but makes music for me..

I think the big red 2 inch thick false wooden wall i had before would be having an adverse effect on the overall sound and its gone now and so is the TV in between.

I do feel the room sometimes but i guess cant tame every ghost in the living room.

Its been about 10 months since i played the TT.

Have been happy with my CD's..

I hope i get the urge to start spinning records again... but at this point i am not missing them.

Carpets next ... ;)

regards
 
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Don't we all do, some times;)

calculated insanity is the order of the day :lol:

but seriously, am hoping to do some room / sound measurements and go from there.

Hoping to get help in this aspect.

One thing that i will not do is to go for room correction via digital circuitry.

the idea is to measure the room / sound is to understand where the problems are and try and correct them with minimal efforts and not to add any electronics to the chain.

as such the music is good - the emphasis is on maximization.

regards
 
calculated insanity is the order of the day :lol:

but seriously, am hoping to do some room / sound measurements and go from there.

Hoping to get help in this aspect.

One thing that i will not do is to go for room correction via digital circuitry.

the idea is to measure the room / sound is to understand where the problems are and try and correct them with minimal efforts and not to add any electronics to the chain.

as such the music is good - the emphasis is on maximization.

regards

I tried the room correction method by first measuring my room and apply an EQ using a 20 band parametric equalizer. I listened for a week and finally decided to dump it as it was not sounding real for me, though the SQ was flat.

If you need help, we can plan one of the weekend afternoons, where i come to your room with my AKG mic, AKG stands and Shure mic-preamp and my laptop to measure the room for you. This way you need not invest in the measurement hardware at all. This will require atleast 3 to 4hrs of total time to tweak as per your exact requirement.

If you are keen, let me know.

Cheers,
 
hari

thank you.

have been in touch with our common friend kapvin for the same as well.

will ping you accordingly.

but first i need a nice carpet and something to dampen the area around the equipment more - without looking aesthetically out of place for a living room.

:-))

little things - can make a difference.

regards
mpw
 
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