Ridiculous Vinyl Pricing - India re-sellers

I do not understand this new generation’s preference for streaming.
I'm not from the new generation, so I don't know if I quality to reply, but I am completely medium agnostic.
I have a good investment in vinyls, and it'll grow further. But cannot deny the convenience of streamer or CD. I use any of the 3 of them as per mood and convenience. Whenever it's a group listening with friends and family, it's almost always vinyl as it brings in a sense of occasion that is unmatched.
And guess what, many of my old vinyl songs are not available on streaming even.
So horses for courses.
 
I'm not from the new generation, so I don't know if I quality to reply, but I am completely medium agnostic.
I have a good investment in vinyls, and it'll grow further. But cannot deny the convenience of streamer or CD. I use any of the 3 of them as per mood and convenience. Whenever it's a group listening with friends and family, it's almost always vinyl as it brings in a sense of occasion that is unmatched.
And guess what, many of my old vinyl songs are not available on streaming even.
So horses for courses.
Since you quoted me (I’m not sure why , since my comment was not addressed to anyone specific ) , being in this hobby for over two decades now , I’m a little bit aware of the wealth of albums / singles that are still available today at dollar bins on vinyl that have not been digitised.

Yard sales and Pop and mom stores in small towns in US will often throw up surprises in terms of rare records / albums , and most of these earlier generation owners / fellow buyers can tailor fit recommendations for you if you care to share your preferences (like a human version of your Spotify playlist algorithm). Apparently, they listened to music and not their gear. :)

Anyway , on topic , after almost a decade of vinyl revival , reseller pricing will continue to shoot up as this a seller market now for older analog pressings, and reissues will come at a premium in India where everything is imported.
 
Hello FMs,

I don’t know if this has been experienced by me only or is it a general feeling that pricing of Hindi vinyl (especially of musicals) is just outrageous.

Over past 5 years vinyl format has seen an uptake in demand. As a result, the prices have generally gone up. I’ve been regularly buying vinyl from abroad, mostly English original releases or very early reissues. The prices of rock classics even today are reasonable.
But my experience on hindi vinyl especially from Indian resellers has been bad. If they sell cheap, it’s mostly falsely graded LPs; and otherwise they demand ridiculous prices.
Yesterday a gentleman on Facebook group asked me 20K each for Life in a metro and swades. I think that’s just taking gross advantage of the resurgence and leading to poor access.

Please feel free to pen your thoughts on this.

Thank you
I recently bought from @zoop.live on insta and web.zooplive.com

They sell vinyl on shoppable livestreams, it was really fun! They played the vinyl for me live and i was able to chat and ask questions. They also graded the records fairly and my 'Beatles Reel Music vinyl' is finally here. Super happy with this! (Prices are not exorbitant too)

Oh, and they partner with legendary music stores in Delhi like Shah Music Centre (est. 1930s). Check this out-
 
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It's quite interesting to observe how records are sold these days. The standard pricing for pre-used western titles seems to start at around Rs.1.5k for irrelevant worthless ones and goes up to Rs.4k or Rs.5k for either popular performers or albums of note. The common method these days seems to be - just stack a set of records against a wall and flip through them on video. At these price points, the buyer ideally should know whether proper branded high quality outer sleeves and inner sleeves are used (and not those sold in kilograms at your local hardware store), country of pressing and other related information, if pre-used, where the record came from (even if this is mentioned, just like all pre-used cars are pitched as doctor owned, records are usually from 'private' collections). Record and cover grading is almost never mentioned (of generally, the seller's own interpretation).

And then, there are the influencers, with their opinions. This is a first pressing, that pressing is outstanding, black nipper, red nipper, etc. A major scam especially for Bollywood records is that every movie OST seems to be rare or some worthless song that even the producers of the movie discarded from the movie itself but left it on the record in order to fill up space, is pitched as a rare and unheard gem. There are lot of Indian influences masquerading online as analog experts, giving opinions on these so called 'rare gems', usually sitting in front of some expensive audio gear giving the impression that they know everything. If you are part of whatsapp groups, you will notice that the content or topics of discussion especially when it comes to records, are dominated by a select few with strong opinions in support of each other, using the power of influence based on bragging rights (they are usually sitting on fancy equipment and believe their opinions are highly qualified). A new trend has started these days, reel tapes pitched as from a studio setting appearing as rare original recordings or mixes from studio archives. Even worthless audio cassettes that are fit to be thrown away are being pitched as 'original analog release' and are on the market for Rs.500 each or above. These are usually tapes thrown around at the back or bottom of some cupboard, full of fungus and dust. They are cleaned, polished up, if they look newish, they are shrink-wrapped and resold.

Having been around the world, buying records from all over, my general opinion of Indian pressings, especially from mixes done in India, is generally well below par (if not really poor). Some of the western titles released by Polydor and GCOIL back in the 1960s and early 1970s were the better ones but again, an original Decca UK press or Columbia US press of the same album was almost always significantly better. A lot of the Bollywood pressings that I have come across have distortion in the mixes themselves (as most audiophiles play these with tone-defeat, or on rigs with predominantly mid-range soundstages, the distortion is generally masked to a great extent). Anyone who is a student of the history of record production and sales in India will know that in order to sell records in volumes to the mass cost-conscious Indian consumer, the cost of record playing equipment had to be kept very low. Folks like HMV came out with cheap stuff and over 90 percent of the record reproduction equipment sold in India were portables, the crappy HMV Fiesta being India's highest selling record player of that era. The HMV Calypso came a close second. There were some better sounding models like the Philips 533 portable, the Philips Hi-Q and Hi-Fi rigs, etc but essentially manufacturers of Indian records never sold records produced for consumers with hi-quality rigs. Our Indian records just had to sound good on some portable record player or over the aluminium-horn speakers of public address system operators.

To add to the above is the digital vs analog source debate. And after all this, if one is interested in buying a new release or re-release of an old title, the high production costs and record-mafia based hoarding, is leading to high prices.

If you are an enthusiast starting out now, you are late especially if you are a bollywood person. Always keep in mind that most of the really mint records (either of reputed albums/performers, or even the worthless albums/performers) would already reside in some enthusiast's collection. Anyone selling duplicate copies, will always retain the better copy of the two. If you are into western titles and have access to international markets, you stand a great chance of building a high-quality collection but in India, its rather difficult these days. Nevertheless, the mantra is to always keep looking, spread the word and stay alert. You'd never know, that 'gem' which you are searching for may reside, forgotten, in your neighbour's, friend's or relative's cupboard :). Happy hunting!
Absolute truth. I have been collecting records, sorry, buying records from stores since mid 1970s. And realised that a KL Saigal compilation does not need a LINN to start with. Calypso and your old friend , the tube radio are perfect match. They sound organic. And that's just what is required if you have those ancient pressings, be it a Jasraj classical or C Ramchandra's Anarkali, they make you feel at ease with simple non intruding interference of noise, crackle and dust. My old crush Akashwani too played the 78 RPMs with the crackle to start with, stating clearly that due to technical limitations, one may not hear the music as it should. And that was ok with me. Ameen Sayani sounded wavy as it would on a SW band and today the FM sounds deeply disconnected. Anything too perfect ends up with a tag line.. "More to come".. leaving you gasping for that "more'. Our days made and trained us to be satisfied with what played naturally, unenhanced, vocal prioritised .. but today if you tell me to buy a DEVDAS double LP for even as little as 3K, I would not because the CD sounds much better and dedicated paying all the respects to the mastering of the files and the equipment that is used to play it. Till then.. Suraiya and Ghalib are made for tender listening. No pompous show offs-
 
Such a vague question! How to answer this? I collect and curate both cds and vinyl and can potentially try to answer if there is more context
My original audio bollywood cds already have very great clarity then why would one spent so much on vinyl? any specific reason?
 
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My original audio bollywood cds already has very great clarity then why would one spent so much on vinyl? any specific reason?
It depends on the bollywood era you are referring to and the quality of the vinyl pressing. Let's take the example of 70s and 80s bollywood - vinyls were at its peak in india and has decent to good pressings as a rule. The cds came into existence in bollywood by late 80s-87 or so till about 93. The first gen cds were essentially created by ripping off the songs from analog to digital using vinyl playback as the source. So there is no scope for the cds made like this from vinyl to sound better than vinyl. Although one might want to think thru whether one can get hold of good condition vinyls vs cds always. Theoretically for this era the vinyl will sound way better than cds. Tne same applies for anything made prior to direct digital recordings..ie this rule doesn't change for 40s-80s for bollywood.

Now coming to what a good quality vinyl sounds like for bollywood there are better word smiths than me who can describe it better but all I can say is that - a good vinyl playback system with lots of old Bollywood or tamil lps means you can spend countless days listening to them without any fatigue or ear bleeds especially if you choose good music .
 
It depends on the bollywood era you are referring to and the quality of the vinyl pressing. Let's take the example of 70s and 80s bollywood - vinyls were at its peak in india and has decent to good pressings as a rule. The cds came into existence in bollywood by late 80s-87 or so till about 93. The first gen cds were essentially created by ripping off the songs from analog to digital using vinyl playback as the source. So there is no scope for the cds made like this from vinyl to sound better than vinyl. Although one might want to think thru whether one can get hold of good condition vinyls vs cds always. Theoretically for this era the vinyl will sound way better than cds. Tne same applies for anything made prior to direct digital recordings..ie this rule doesn't change for 40s-80s for bollywood.

Now coming to what a good quality vinyl sounds like for bollywood there are better word smiths than me who can describe it better but all I can say is that - a good vinyl playback system with lots of old Bollywood or tamil lps means you can spend countless days listening to them without any fatigue or ear bleeds especially if you choose good music .
90s movies hindi like darr gupt akele hum akele tum mohra etc
 
Vinyl is essentially analog sound recorded from analog master . Not sure of the exact date ...but at a certain point in Time ...CD became the master copy . So no point in buying vinyl for new stuff . Companies are trying to cash in on the vinyl craze by coming up with vinyl for even new titles .
 
Before the 70s, vinyls were made from pure polyvinyl chloride (PVC). That's why it sounds amazing, but the cost of material is much more expensive, so companies decided to add other components to the polyvinyl chloride to reduce the production cost. From that time, vinyl sound quality reduced slowly, and today they are producing with shitty plastic or recycled plastic, so we never can compare the vinyl before 70's. :(
 
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