Spend more on Speakers or Amplifier

Its not about the money but the correct matching only achieved through years of listening with different Amps.

After settling for a speakers of your own budget and taste we go for the source. And after that the hunt begins for the perfect Amp for the system. This is ideal order of settlement.

Correct me if I am wrong.
 
Yes we listen to the sound and it is produced by the speakers. Without the amplifier, the speaker is piece of furniture and without the speaker the amplifier is a room warmer.

When you are talking about 5L setup, your argument holds true to an extent. Since at that price wha is get is high end on both the spectrums

However l am talking about the shoestring budget end of business which 95% of the FM's here have 50k - 1lalkh

Well, people are running 30-40k speakers with topping which costs 4k. Heck, I am running 25-30k diy speakers off a topping. 30k in diy would beat 1.5 lacs in commercial.
 
As we begin to indulge our passion in music, We usually buy the best speakers we can on our budget .
However in most cases I have seen that we cringe on Amplifiers.

As far as I know the ratio should be 50% of total budget on speakers and 50% of total budget on a Amplifier.

However would spending more on a Amplifier make more sense ? and spend less on a speakers ?

I have heard mediocre speakers sound fantastic because of the use of really good amplifier and a brillaint speaker sound mediocre since it was paired with a run of the mill amp.

Infact at most AV shops when we audition speakers we usually hear them with very good equipment and that sways us in the diretion of buying that particular speaker
However at home with our amps. The experience is completely different and we are then in the constant search of trying to get the same sound that we heard initially.

So shouldn't we spend more on our amplifers and set aside 60-70& of our budget on that and 30 -40% on speakers ?

My experience is other way round. Keeping the rest of the hardware same, by only changing the speakers will have the difference of night and day. I can prove that to you if you are in Mumbai.

Cheers,
Hari.
 
My experience is other way round. Keeping the rest of the hardware same, by only changing the speakers will have the difference of night and day. I can prove that to you if you are in Mumbai.

Cheers,
Hari.

You can take it even further, or maybe this exactly what you are trying to say:). no other component change will have as much impact on the total sound as speakers will. not cd player, not amp, not cables.
 
Well, people are running 30-40k speakers with topping which costs 4k. Heck, I am running 25-30k diy speakers off a topping. 30k in diy would beat 1.5 lacs in commercial.

hehehehe ..... doors, you are taking it even further to my earlier indication of 75k ..... Topping + Control One .. can beat (11k approx.) :p
 
You got me, partner... :lol:

let me rephrase it then.
Alto wont do much better on race car fuel.
But race car will do fine on regular gasoline.

Hi Manoj,

The Alto or any other car will do better on high octane or race car fuel. Most racing cars with their high compression engines will not be able to run on regular (low octane) gasoline at all. You may like to change the analogy.

Regards.
 
^^^^ my 'actual' area of specialization in college! IC engines .... :licklips:
Doing what now ...... shit!
Majboori ka naam mahatma gandhi!
 
The way I see it... the purpose of all our equipment from source to speakers is to be able to faithfully reproduce recorded music. Not going into the whole recording process up to the CD in your hand as that will open another chapter...

Now, all the electronics in between the CD and the speakers have one purpose only... to add or subtract as least as possible from the recorded music while doing their necessary bits in the reproduction process... reading CD in transport, D to A conversion, line level attenuation, speaker level attenuation... The better the electronics, more likely they are to achieve this target... A good amplifier will not add any flavour of its own... it will only provide clean amplification which is faithful to the recorded signal to let the speaker decide how to convert that accurate electrical signal into sound waves of the quality, nature, flavour of the sound that its designers intended or achieved.

conclusion... I was always more focussed on the speakers earlier... but I now believe that it is most important to first remove all doubts about the quality of your Amplification, Source and Conversion... so that you can happily move through speakers of different types, designs, brands and find the one you can have for a long time.

just my 2 cents...
 
I think one should be maximum critical in deciding a speaker first. Source, amplifiers need to be changed anyway as technology changes and so are demand of the listener.
Speaker has the greatest impact on space too! WAF too!

I think the best way is to go for used speakers first with used amplifiers. One need to do some trials and used ones scoop less from your wallet(s).
Ratio in budget do not work for used items.
Read and search is the best option.

Plus, there is no ultimate really! It is not the destination, it is the journey that is to be enjoyed. I like listening my favourite songs while driving, and those music are played through mere consumer grade music system in my used cars. They just do their purpose satisfactorily.
So, choosing an appropriate music system for your environment, mentality, atmosphere and attitude matters. A speaker affects all the four the most by its size, shape, colour and performance.
In not so extreme comparisons like Alto to a race car, today's digital sources, DACs, amplifiers performs close to each other. But speakers will perform a lot different from each other.
So, my vote goes for Speakers...a lot.
If I have 50K to spend, I will put 40K for speakers (for used one), 10K for two or one(matching and used) amplifiers. Speakers must (I repeat must) be of high SPL, more than or equal to 91 dB.
 
Just a few points from my current research on a stereo system.

I have shortlisted the HK3490 amp - Rs. 22K or so (still to purchase!!). All the senoirs are of the opinion that it is an ordinary amp- but it meets my requirements to a T.

I have auditioned a few speakers for this amp. Have found that I need to spend upwards of Rs. 50,000 to get speakers that can do justice to this amp.

Through the last 30 years I have always found the Speakers to be the weakest link in the chain (true even for car systems). If you get a good speaker hang on to it forever - currently I have a Phillips single driver (paper cone at that) that gives such wonderful output that I am loathe to replace it. See our reviews in the 2010 Pune HFV meet.

Best of luck in ur hunt.
 
when you buy a god speaker and run with a cheap amp, they become the strongest link in the chain.
The way i do it is to first get the best speakers that i can get and run it with the cheapo amp, then later upgrade the amp. The result is that now I've got a few really good speakers (ofcourse diy helped) with no great amp:lol:
 
One trick i have learnt is ..audio is a process of upgrades ..if you start with a budget over 5l ..try to spend 60% on speakers.The key is to play your speakers without budgeting the electronics during audition. Hear the speakers with a 1l amp a 5l amp and see u have exceeded ur expectations...if yes ..just pick up the speakers and the amp that fits ur budget as u know you are in the right path for upgrades.U can always buy better electronics later if u like the sonic characteristics of the speaker...

Now if u r on a budget within 1l , you most likely have to upgrade the entire system together ..so 50% for speakers in that case..
 
My List of things which Impact the final Outcome , in this order of preference. And this order of investment also.

Room Characteristics : Most Speakers don't sound the same when they're in different rooms, it happens so often that a speaker that sounds excellent in audition room, sounds very badly in your room. Room also includes the other parameters like acoustics , speaker positioning & speaker isolation etc which come into picture. Two totally different speakers sound nearly similar (Sound signature wise) due to room characteristics, though the difference can still be heard by well trained ears. Again there is no limit to investment here, from inexpensive thing like optimum speaker positioning and spikes to professional acoustic treatment, it varies. We need to remember that we are not only listening to the speakers, but to the room and all the things inside. But flexibility and budget with alteration of room acoustics is mostly limited to most of us. So Speakers become the next most important investment which will impact our SQ by quite a margin.

Speakers : I was long under this impression that Contribution of speakers is the maximum, but my current realization is that the speakers , matching with the room under consideration are more useful. you just have to Select the type of speakers that perform better in your room, rest everything Can be manipulated to further optimize the SQ. But if your Speakers are of inferior quality/room mismatch , there will be a ceiling to the performance, and any amount of good gear can't supplement for it. Speakers Matching to your room and Your choice of music is equally important.
Unfortunately there is no easy way to know which speakers suit your room best, so always look for home audition whenever possible , or listening at other members rooms , which closely mimic your listening scenario. luckily the regular branded speakers are designed to suit most of the genre of music , You wouldn't go horribly wrong with your choices. As you go Higher say above 3L it becomes much more subjective and a tougher choice to make.

Source & Synergy: this is self explanatory I think, If the source file or Player doesn't retrieve the information adequately no amount of Post Processing will improve the SQ significantly.
Finally the Synergy between Electronics where other components come into play; Dac/ Pre/Power / Cables etc.. If they are horribly mismatched you will end up with less optimal performance. The other electronics like amp etc can negatively affect the SQ by mismatch , But the Positive effect is not as impactful as the change of speakers. So they take a second preference as far as budget is concerned. One more thing is the Pure Power supply that needs to be emphasized because of fluctuations which adversely affect the performance of various electronics.
 
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Unfortunately there is no easy way to know which speakers suit your room best,
Very true. If you are looking speakers for small room and the placement option will be on two sides of corner, then there is only choice to select Front port or down port designed Bookshelf speakers. Even though you like back ported, needs to remove it from your selection list.
 
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