Streaming music is bad for the Planet

[Analogous]

Venus is an example of how things can go wrong. Studies suggest it was once a habitable planet for around 2 billion years.

NASA Climate Modeling Suggests Venus May Have Been Habitable - NASA

Venus may have had a shallow liquid-water ocean and habitable surface temperatures for up to 2 billion years of its early history, according to computer

www.nasa.gov

Between 700 and 750 million years ago, a near-global resurfacing event triggered the release of carbon dioxide from rock on the planet, which transformed its climate.

Venus was potentially habitable until a mysterious event happened | CNN

Venus likely maintained stable temperatures and hosted liquid water for billions of years before an event triggered drastic changes in the planet, according to a new study.

edition.cnn.com

In addition, according to a study from researchers at the University of California, Riverside, Venus would be able to support life if Jupiter hadn't altered its orbit around the Sun.

Venus isn't habitable -- and it could be all Jupiter's fault | CNN

Venus was once a planet not too dissimilar to Earth, and if Jupiter hadn't altered its orbit around the sun, it might have been able to support life, according to researchers.

edition.cnn.com

By releasing tons of Carbon dioxide every hear, we are heading to a fate that befell venus

Both situations (Venus and Earth) are acts of nature.
Big difference is here it’s mostly from Human Nature over just the past 200 years.

 

[Analogous]

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[Analogous]

Humanity locked in a 'spiral of self-destruction' unless we change our perception of risk, UN says​

'Optimism, underestimation and invincibility' have pushed humanity into a 'spiral of self-destruction' but there are ways to act, now

Humanity locked in a 'spiral of self-destruction' unless we change our perception of risk, UN says

'Optimism, underestimation and invincibility' have pushed humanity into a 'spiral of self-destruction'

www.livescience.com

 

[Barun7]

With each post in this particular thread itself, we are contributing some amount of emission!

P.S. - Please don't kill me. Posted in light hearted manner!

 

[dinesh1201]

...you are the culprit for playing a song if you listen to that again and again (which we all do) in case we are streaming. But most of the streaming services today give you the option to download the song into your device, in case you have a premium membership. So once downloaded...listen as many times you want ( although this demands a good space on your device ) turn off the data and listen
In fact, the physical media is responsible for spreading the e-waste, I've so many CDs and Bluerays...and are lying just covering the dust all over.
No one thinks about the bigger picture, even the biggies..so why does a normal human bother about it.

Antarctica comes to -15 from -50 degrees (used to be) which is just only 7 degrees higher than Poland. The temp rises to a great extent ...now you can easily judge the future of humanity. Not now but it will be not that far.

 

[Hari Iyer]

Energy use in audio, internet and streaming would probably fall within “Unallocated combustion (class A?), and energy use in buildings.

I don't fully believe that all class A amplifiers are gas guzzlers. Combined power consumption by my both monoblocks are 180 watts ( measured) which is comparable to most AVR known to me.

 

[Analogous]

I don't fully believe that all class A amplifiers are gas guzzlers. Combined power consumption by my both monoblocks are 180 watts ( measured) which is comparable to most AVR known to me.

Efficiency?

 

[Hari Iyer]

Efficiency?

My . monoblocks are just 3 + 3 watts and this is at full volume. I never ever go beyond 9 o'clock position due to my high efficiency speakers. That means I am using only around 200mwatts to 500mwatts to power my speakers.

Most high power amplifiers though have a rated power of 100+ watts, you must be hardly using 10 watts to power your inefficient speakers.

 

[Analogous]

My Lyrita DHT is also 3WPC, sounds glorious but I can’t listen for more than 10 minutes in summer as the room temperature becomes uncomfortably warm. Winter time the room heating class A design effect is cosy.
Obviously we both love the sound from class A designs and You know far (far) more than me about electronics and circuit design.
But I am referring to the efficiency in terms of energy consumption vs output.
As I understand from the interweb:
Class A amplifier's output transistors run with "constant bias," meaning they always run at full power whether there's an input signal or not. When there's no signal, the transistors' power turns into heat. When there is a signal, the power goes out the speaker terminals. Also, each Class A output transistor amplifies both the negative voltage and the positive voltage parts of the signal's AC waveform, adding to the workload and generating more heat. Class A amps usually operate around a 25% efficiency level. That means that 75% of their power is turned into heat.”

 

[Hari Iyer]

The cieling fan in my home guzzles 75 watts and atleast 3 of them are always on during summer. That is cool 225 watts and that too almost 20 hrs per day and we worry much about 180 watts for an hour or two.

Btw, my tube amp does not make my room warmer. This could be because my bias current is just 43 mA and is driven at 62% of its maximum rating. Lyrita could be driving their tubes harder for more juice.

 

[aeroash]

The knack of eluding simple questions with an "escapist" response!

 

[Analogous]

Another possible way for us to mitigate the impact by reducing wasted energy

‘Vampire Energy’ Is Sucking the Life out of Our Planet

This Earth Day, it's time to tackle a sneaky source of waste that drains wallets and accelerates climate change.

www.wired.com

 

[Analogous]

And now “measuring cow burps from space”

Cow burps measured from space, revealing contribution to climate change

A flatulent first.

www.space.com

 

[Passive_audio_enthusiast]

Just when I have comfortably settled into Qobuz and Radio Paradise etc, this uncomfortable revelation…,

Protect the Planet: Stop Streaming Songs

And start downloading them instead. It can really cut back on greenhouse gasses.

www.rollingstone.com

non of the physical media are recyclable if am not wrong. Buying anything new means co2 emissions for manufacturing, transporting and eventually filling landfills.

Consider the cost in terms of an album. Hosting it on a server will produce emissions. But the contribution made by the “weight of” this one album can only matched in years to the co2 produced by a single physical disc manufacturing and transporting. If 50 people choose to stream against 50 discs it’s even less.

You need to only worry about the problems caused by streaming if you don’t buy a single disc.

 

[Analogous]

non of the physical media are recyclable if am not wrong. Buying anything new means co2 emissions for manufacturing, transporting and eventually filling landfills.

Consider the cost in terms of an album. Hosting it on a server will produce emissions. But the contribution made by the “weight of” this one album can only matched in years to the co2 produced by a single physical disc manufacturing and transporting. If 50 people choose to stream against 50 discs it’s even less.

You need to only worry about the problems caused by streaming if you don’t buy a single disc.

Its relative definitely.
But I feel it’s important for a majority of adults to understand and keep in mind that almost all our actions, decisions and behaviour has a carbon/ecological footprint.

Some are going to be more significant than others. And we will need to act in multiple ways. The affluent tend to have generally a heavier impact as this is linked to consumption of more resources.

Consumption of media by whatever means is just one of them.

I am not in favour of prescriptive or restrictive approaches, and hope most of us make voluntary and well informed decisions and choices to offset that damage done to the only habitat we share in this universe before the entire interdependent socioeconomic system is disrupted and we are forced to give up all that we take for granted.

 

[Passive_audio_enthusiast]

As on 2012, 30% of the Total Internet traffic is pornography. I believe "Audio Music Streaming" not even comes close to 1% of total internet Traffiic. We humans worry about small small things but fail to see the "Big Picture".

We have been told that Electric Vehicle is better than Petrol/Deisel Vehicle because Fuel engine emits Co2 and pollutes the environment. But nobody will talk about how much Co2 is emitted for manufacturing Batteries required for Electric vehicle.

Its relative definitely.
But I feel it’s important for a majority of adults to understand and keep in mind that almost all our actions, decisions and behaviour has a carbon/ecological footprint.

Some are going to be more significant than others. And we will need to act in multiple ways. The affluent tend to have generally a heavier impact as this is linked to consumption of more resources.

Consumption of media by whatever means is just one of them.

I am not in favour of prescriptive or restrictive approaches, and hope most of us make voluntary and well informed decisions and choices to offset that damage done to the only habitat we share in this universe before the entire interdependent socioeconomic system is disrupted and we are forced to give up all that we take for granted.

Even THIS VERY reply is going to cost as it is stored somewhere.

 

[Analogous]

Even THIS VERY reply is going to cost as it is stored somewhere.

You are so right

 

[Analogous]

Changes in behaviour of people for greener choices will be a process. This change left to “fate” will be slow, inadequate and lead to disasters. But this change can be nudged and accelerated by using good scientific strategies known to work. Research in other behaviour nudge efforts Avan be valuable to inform what works and what does not.
In public health it is well accepted that fear based messages lead to paralysis, inaction and a sense of fatalism or inevitability (I can not do anything, it will happen anyway, so might as well continue doing what I am used to..)
Sometimes seemingly logical ideas fail or even make matters worse.

Here is some interesting findings from a Road safety campaign:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm3427

When behavioral nudges fail​

Do traffic safety interventions work? Hall and Madsen present evidence from a study in Texas showing that the number of crashes actually increases by a few percentage points when motorists are confronted with displays indicating the number of road fatalities in the area (see the Perspective by Ullman and Chrysler). The authors suggest that this counterintuitive finding results from a cognitive overload experienced by drivers when confronted with multiple notices and instructions on complex stretches of road, leading to distraction. They conclude that traffic safety “nudges” need to be carefully designed and positioned to avoid backfiring. —AMS

 

[Analogous]

On the other hand it’s important that every question even the most basic ones and “what-about” types require considered and clear and respectful responses. On climate change action we can not afford to leave anyone behind or allow the debates and discussions to become polarised.

It’s is good to understand the phenomenon….When accused of something, people often respond with a counteraccusation or change the subject. This reaction is known as whataboutery.

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We all encounter whataboutism on a daily basis, on either the giving or receiving ends. Whataboutery destroys effective communication. It is an emotional response to a comment. The following steps can help to diffuse inappropriate responses to whataboutery:

1. Recognize whataboutism and approach it analytically.
2. Isolate and resolve whataboutery by recognizing a person, phrase, or subject that acts as a trigger.
3. Strip away the emotion and evaluate the simple facts of the scenario to give an appropriate response.
4. A defensive response can be countered with curiosity. For instance, we could ask, “What is your intent with this question?” or “How much do you know about this?” Another approach is simply to respond by letting the individual know which part of the question or statement did not land well with you and calmly ask if that was the intent or if the issue could be discussed in another scenario.
5. Evaluate your perception of the person making the statement. Try to remove the emotion in your relationship with that person when considering what he or she said.

Taking these steps with no expectation of reciprocity drastically reduces the whataboutery.
Taking these steps with no expectation of reciprocity drastically reduces the whataboutery in your life and leads to much more effective communication and possibly change.

 

[Bloom@83]

‘How much do you know about this ‘ or ‘ What is your intent ‘ can be very well be interpreted as condescending or defensive or even aggressive , as especially on the internet everyone is a specialist on every subject under the Sun.

Secondly - whataboutery is not always a communication stopper. It can put things in the right perspective.