Streaming music is bad for the Planet

Oh please!
Here are people owning multiple sets of amps , streamers , changing DACs like clothes , upgrading speakers like credit cards and streaming is bad for planet earth ?!
As on 2012, 30% of the Total Internet traffic is pornography. I believe "Audio Music Streaming" not even comes close to 1% of total internet Traffiic. We humans worry about small small things but fail to see the "Big Picture".

We have been told that Electric Vehicle is better than Petrol/Deisel Vehicle because Fuel engine emits Co2 and pollutes the environment. But nobody will talk about how much Co2 is emitted for manufacturing Batteries required for Electric vehicle.
This typical "whataboutery" does not behove us. Yes, there are bigger contributers but pointing fingers at them does not make our own complicity go away. People would earn more respect if instead of saying all this they would man up and say that yes, what they consciously do is a contributer but they will keep doing it because they cannot stay without it or similar. At least a stance is taken instead of not owning up and instead of derision.
 
This typical "whataboutery" does not behove us. Yes, there are bigger contributers but pointing fingers at them does not make our own complicity go away. People would earn more respect if instead of saying all this they would man up and say that yes, what they consciously do is a contributer but they will keep doing it because they cannot stay without it or similar. At least a stance is taken instead of not owning up and instead of derision.
It does indeed behove us.
In fact , this sanctimonious liberal guilt approach feels like a sham and THAT doesn’t behove us. Thank you !
 
It does indeed behove us.
In fact , this sanctimonious liberal guilt approach feels like a sham and THAT doesn’t behove us. Thank you !
It's akin to shooting the messenger. What has being "liberal" or not got to do with anything in this context? Being liberal is much abused and bandied about liberally without knowing the actual meaning of being liberal. Quite similar to the WhatsApp Uncles calling out people for being an "intellectual" if something someone says doesn't fall under their narrow view. If it is a sham then that has to be pointed out as such with reasoning and not just terminology.
Also, you're welcome! :p
 
Do you think mankind ever cared about all this and weighed it against personal convenience?
I don’t think so. Personal convenience has almost always trumped acting for the common good.
But the current state of the planet that we cohabit should get most of thinking and doing something about it, putting personal and other differences aside.
Consider the alternatives…
 
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It's akin to shooting the messenger. What has being "liberal" or not got to do with anything in this context? Being liberal is much abused and bandied about liberally without knowing the actual meaning of being liberal. Quite similar to the WhatsApp Uncles calling out people for being an "intellectual" if something someone says doesn't fall under their narrow view. If it is a sham then that has to be pointed out as such with reasoning and not just terminology.
Also, you're welcome! :p
Hahaha. I agree ‘ liberal ‘ has been bandied about and abused without many being aware of its context. But I have used it consciously.
Ecological conservation is a real need , I agree. Environmental issues are real and pressing - that is also true to a certain extent.
But I’m pretty sure you are not wholly unaware of the real impetus behind the urgency of eco-sustainability - which is for- profit big western businesses , looking for ways to offset their negative image and potential revenue losses by adopting a pro-green outlook. You are aware of what happened with Nestle ,Nike and other Fortune 500 companies in the past.
The business merits of sustainability are based on the fact that even the most ardent climate-sceptic company executives face natural resource costs, public relations problems, regulatory burdens, and a green consumer segment.Thus it behoves them to embrace this model to keep the revenues soaring.
For us not running billion dollar companies , we have other priorities as far as this agenda is concerned.
To take from a Chris Rock joke -black filmmakers were not bothered with who won the best documentary Oscar in any year in the sixties , because they were busy getting shot or raped.

Cheers ! :D
 
Hahaha. I agree ‘ liberal ‘ has been bandied about and abused without many being aware of its context. But I have used it consciously.
Ecological conservation is a real need , I agree. Environmental issues are real and pressing - that is also true to a certain extent.
But I’m pretty sure you are not wholly unaware of the real impetus behind the urgency of eco-sustainability - which is for- profit big western businesses , looking for ways to offset their negative image and potential revenue losses by adopting a pro-green outlook. You are aware of what happened with Nestle ,Nike and other Fortune 500 companies in the past.
The business merits of sustainability are based on the fact that even the most ardent climate-sceptic company executives face natural resource costs, public relations problems, regulatory burdens, and a green consumer segment.Thus it behoves them to embrace this model to keep the revenues soaring.
For us not running billion dollar companies , we have other priorities as far as this agenda is concerned.
To take from a Chris Rock joke -black filmmakers were not bothered with who won the best documentary Oscar in any year in the sixties , because they were busy getting shot or raped.

Cheers ! :D
I agree to almost everything that you say about big business being culpable etc. and the conspiracy theories that abound around them. Those are moot points here. And instead of me repeating what has been said by @Analogous in his post # 25, let's just agree to that post because it is true.
 
5 billion internet users!!!


The global state of digital in April 2022​

Let’s begin with the essential headlines for the adoption and use of connected tech around the world in April 2022:



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  • World population: there are 7.93 billion people living on Earth in April 2022, with 57 percent of those people residing in urban areas.
  • Mobile users: 5.32 billion people around the world now use a mobile phone, equating to 67 percent of the total global population. Smartphones account for roughly 4 in 5 of the mobile handsets in use today.
  • Internet users: 5.00 billion people now use the internet, with the global total increasing by almost 200 million over the past year. 63 percent of the world’s population is now online, but there are still important differences in the “quality” of internet access around the world.
  • Social media users: there are 4.65 billion social media users around the world today, which equates to 58.7 percent of the total global population. However, if we focus just on ‘eligible’ audiences aged 13 and above, data suggests that roughly three-quarters of all those people who can use social media already do.
Those numbers offer some great context to get us started, but in order to make sense of the underlying trends, we need to dig deeper into the stories behind the headlines.



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I think India reduced its carbon footprint most by banning porn sites.

Crypto-mining is the next culprit. The process not only wastes scores of energy which can be used for something more useful but also increases the carbon footprint in the process.. On top of it, it is not guaranteed to give results inspite of wasting the said energy.

And about whataboutery, it IS needed for every context. If you have a blocked artery and a pimple in the nose, it is evident which needs to be treated first.

When you want to treat the pimple and someone comes along and rightly points out what about the artery block? Its prudent to think about the situation rather than pointing out how it is a case of whataboutery..

Not having this kind of perspective results in comic cases like western countries advicing developing countries on why they should use less energy or climate enthusiasts taking private jets to climate conferences..


What was the alternative for streaming? People individually buying tapes and cds and related instruments to play them lossless? Iam sure that should have contributed more. I have personally made lot of trips to the said shops solely for purchasing these mediums which directly added to the emission for the journey. Most times we move around shop to shop searching for a number and it contributes more etc. I'm pretty sure this was the case with others too. Later, ordering from likes of amazon only means someone else is doing this for you. Then there is carbon footprint of producing the enormous number of cds and tapes etc since everyone needs to have a copy. All this is gone with a centralized streaming service (whatever it is).

Further most streaming services provide virtually unlimited local downloads as long as you are subscribed. It is prudent to take that route.

Finally 80% savings for playing second time may look like a big number, but what is the 100% footprint of streaming a song? It could be akin to treating the pimple in the grand scheme of things concerning energy.
 
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Why don’t the climate and green advocates give up air conditioning in their cars and homes for starters , huh ? Lead by example I say … practice then preach.
 
Why don’t the climate and green advocates give up air conditioning in their cars and homes for starters , huh ? Lead by example I say … practice then preach.
They don't and won't because when questioned about this, in true dullard style, they ask "but what about the rising cost of milk".
 
Why don’t the climate and green advocates give up air conditioning in their cars and homes for starters , huh ? Lead by example I say … practice then preach.
We all are the climate change and green advocates
There is nothing to be gained by assuming “us and them” divisive positions on this issue. We all lose. I sincerely hope we don’t go down this path.

I can not prove to anyone that I have made reduction in my household electricity consumption over the past few years or any other “greener choices” , but even if I did so, it may or may not matter to others.

Apologies for belabouring the obvious but it’s good to keep reminding ourselves: The air we breathe, the climatic temperature variations, the water we drink and all natural resources we use are common.

Expecting everyone else to make the same behaviour changes and sacrifices to mitigate climate change before we start to do the same may probably not the best attitude?

On the other hand (the inevitability of) forcing everyone to give up comforts they are used to might be even more distressing. (Power cuts are great levellers?)

It’s good to self audit each of our own carbon footprint and take a call on the biggest carbon emitter behaviours and act to reduce it. There are online resources to do this.
Eg: https://css.umich.edu/factsheets/carbon-footprint-factsheet

And

 
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There now smartphone apps (of course!) for this.
Eg:
 
We all are the climate change and green advocates
There is nothing to be gained by assuming “us and them” divisive positions on this issue. We all lose. I sincerely hope we don’t go down this path.

I can not prove to anyone that I have made reduction in my household electricity consumption over the past few years or any other “greener choices” , but even if I did so, it may or may not matter to others.

Apologies for belabouring the obvious but it’s good to keep reminding ourselves: The air we breathe, the climatic temperature variations, the water we drink and all natural resources we use are common.

Expecting everyone else to make the same behaviour changes and sacrifices to mitigate climate change before we start to do the same may probably not the best attitude?

On the other hand (the inevitability of) forcing everyone to give up comforts they are used to might be even more distressing. (Power cuts are great levellers?)

It’s good to self audit each of our own carbon footprint and take a call on the biggest carbon emitter behaviours and act to reduce it. There are online resources to do this.
Eg: https://css.umich.edu/factsheets/carbon-footprint-factsheet

And


Humans are destined to be doomed..!!!
No matter how we emphasize the need to save this Planet... 99.9% of People really don't care but they will definitely speak like caring. I am not even talking about Govts & corporates here.
The only thing that can save planet Earth is the Human race extinction.
 
Humans are destined to be doomed..!!!
No matter how we emphasize the need to save this Planet... 99.9% of People really don't care but they will definitely speak like caring. I am not even talking about Govts & corporates here.
The only thing that can save planet Earth is the Human race extinction.
It’s said that “it is darkest just before dawn”
Yes, we should expect things will get worse before the momentum on climate change mitigation actions build up enough to start making an impact.
People expect leadership from their governments on large issues like this. But governments move based on effects on the economy, political compulsions and fear of angry voters etc.
If enough people supported big actions on climate change mitigation then governments feel safe and empowered to act. I feel we each can do our bit to help others understand on the imperatives, I am confident we can postpone doomsday. It’s too early for Despondency, hopelessness and giving up.
 
Venus is an example of how things can go wrong. Studies suggest it was once a habitable planet for around 2 billion years.


Between 700 and 750 million years ago, a near-global resurfacing event triggered the release of carbon dioxide from rock on the planet, which transformed its climate.

In addition, according to a study from researchers at the University of California, Riverside, Venus would be able to support life if Jupiter hadn't altered its orbit around the Sun.


By releasing tons of Carbon dioxide every hear, we are heading to a fate that befell venus
 
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