Tata Sky + HD --Quality sucks

I have not done any comparisons but I do not see any issue with the picture quality of TS HD+. The TS HD+ is connected to my projector. Match in HD was great. Discovery and Nat Geo HD channels also have great PQ. But maybe my standard is much lower.
Maybe during the next India match a few of may turn up at my place.
 
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HD channels will look good in any dth, here they are saying about the sd channel's quality
 
OK so here is the latest update :

the technician has suddenly changed track and is now blaming the internal wiring. i have concealed wiring running throughout the house. basically a load of bull. on pointing out that the same wiring earlier was carrying the Sun HD signal, with much better picture quality he had no answer. moreover the same wiring also carries Hatway cable into other rooms again with much better picture quality. No answer again. he said he will come back to me.

Rightfully to his credit he did come back. the solution he has is to add an amplifier to the signal. dont know if it will work but no harm in trying.

have called him on saturday to try. will post the results.

till then....
 
Wow , thats terrible to read.

Well just my 2 cents - I have tata sky HD (not plus) , and Dish Tv regular - both installed. IMHO dish TV sucks big time. Tata sky SD channels on my HD box is not great either ... But Its miles ahead of Dish TV SD on the SD box.

I'm probably going to get the Dish Hd box and see if it's better than their SD box this week. Will post my comments and pics.

I agree on Dish SD. I upgraded form Dish SD to HD and noticed tremendous improvement in SD channel's PQ and SQ (SQ - because now I have unadulterated SPDIF directly to my AVR). TS+HD on the other hand SUCKS big time both in terms of PQ and SQ (SQ - should be due to more compression as I am using SPDIF hope the Audio Chipset on TS+HD is equivalent to Dish HD in decoding MPEG2 Audio.).

Main issue I see with TS+HD is UPSCALING and DEINTERLACING on the box. Plus if they offload DD D+ channels and route through original transponders, we can get ALL channels offered by DD D+ including DD HD and TS can bring their SD channel's quality to be at par with Dish TV. This will still leave them to do something about the terrible upscaling on the TS+HD.

OK so here is the latest update :

the technician has suddenly changed track and is now blaming the internal wiring. i have concealed wiring running throughout the house. basically a load of bull. on pointing out that the same wiring earlier was carrying the Sun HD signal, with much better picture quality he had no answer. moreover the same wiring also carries Hatway cable into other rooms again with much better picture quality. No answer again. he said he will come back to me.

Rightfully to his credit he did come back. the solution he has is to add an amplifier to the signal. dont know if it will work but no harm in trying.

have called him on saturday to try. will post the results.

till then....

Cable signal quality will not change the SQ and PQ! Tell him we are talking of digital transmission over analog IF frequencies. They are just running round the bush.

Unless you are encountering signal dropping, adding an amp will NOT help.
 
I have recently shifted from Cable wallah to TS HD+ and to my surprise , all SD channels are of worst PQ than the cable STB. HD looks good but most of the time my wife watch only Regional channels which are in SD format. I think I am screwed as I paid for Mega pack for 1 Year.

Any way to come out of this??
 
Going through the same trauma..

SD quality is pathetic.. Initially I connected the STB to AVR to TV via HDMI, but noticed a big difference (negative) in the quality of SD channels when connected through HDMI... so now I am running 2 connections to TV.

1. Composite cable directly fed to TV. using this to watch SD channels.
2. HDMI from STB to AVR to TV to watch HD channels.

The above arrangement is giving a slightly better (as compared to HDMI only connection) PQ for SD. However it still looks very faded and some channels are not watchable still.. like Pogo..
 
Going through the same trauma..

SD quality is pathetic.. Initially I connected the STB to AVR to TV via HDMI, but noticed a big difference (negative) in the quality of SD channels when connected through HDMI... so now I am running 2 connections to TV.

1. Composite cable directly fed to TV. using this to watch SD channels.
2. HDMI from STB to AVR to TV to watch HD channels.

The above arrangement is giving a slightly better (as compared to HDMI only connection) PQ for SD. However it still looks very faded and some channels are not watchable still.. like Pogo..
shall try that myself. Thanks for the idea.
 
guys,

am not sure what is the hue and cry abt. Even i have the same TS HD + box. Pls note that the channels in SD format will be the upscaled version [So you wont see any diff as such from your previous TS box and TS HD box]. The diff you will see is with actual Tru HD channels like Nat Geo HD, Discovery HD and Star Crick HD]. Here you will see that actual HD video[1080p] and audio content. Offcourse, i do agree the the SQ is not that great for Tru HD channels in TS HD.

Hope this clarifies.

~Vince.

Did you read what people are saying? Agreed we wont see any difference but most of us are reporting poorer quality of SD content as compared to PQ that we were getting previously from our respective sources. Also for your information it is 1080i and not 1080p.
 
I have recently shifted from Cable wallah to TS HD+ and to my surprise , all SD channels are of worst PQ than the cable STB. HD looks good but most of the time my wife watch only Regional channels which are in SD format. I think I am screwed as I paid for Mega pack for 1 Year.

Any way to come out of this??

Email them and register a complaint. If they could not resolve the issue (which will most probably be the case), you should ask them to refund your money. They have to oblige you if they could not satisfy you!

Going through the same trauma..

SD quality is pathetic.. Initially I connected the STB to AVR to TV via HDMI, but noticed a big difference (negative) in the quality of SD channels when connected through HDMI... so now I am running 2 connections to TV.

1. Composite cable directly fed to TV. using this to watch SD channels.
2. HDMI from STB to AVR to TV to watch HD channels.

The above arrangement is giving a slightly better (as compared to HDMI only connection) PQ for SD. However it still looks very faded and some channels are not watchable still.. like Pogo..

Another confirmation that UPSCALING SUCKS on TS+HD. We should TOGETHER report to TS on this issue. They are trying to disguise by telling WE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE informing of PQ issue of SD channels.

Through HDMI, you have another issue - you will get stereo sound only for HD channels. So you need to connect SPDIF as well to the receiver (let me know if you are getting DD5.1 through HDMI to your receiver).
 
By the way, somewhat off-topic though, for past few days, I have observed that there's volume control through remote now for HD channels as well, that wasn't the case earlier with TS HD.
 
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By the way, somewhat off-topic though, for past few days, I have observed that there's volume control through remote now for HD channels as well, that wasn't the case earlier.

As informed before thats not possible to control DD5.1 bitstream. Seems you have set the preferred audio setting as PCM instead of Dolby. Else, nothing has changed.
 
the technician has suddenly changed track and is now blaming the internal wiring. i have concealed wiring running throughout the house. basically a load of bull. on pointing out that the same wiring earlier was carrying the Sun HD signal, with much better picture quality he had no answer. moreover the same wiring also carries Hatway cable into other rooms again with much better picture quality. No answer again. he said he will come back to me.

Rightfully to his credit he did come back. the solution he has is to add an amplifier to the signal. dont know if it will work but no harm in trying.
I can assure you, the problems that you have mentioned have nothing to do with the signal level, which is all that an 'amplifier' will increase. Based on the comments in this thread and elsewhere on this forum, my guess is that the problem lies with the TataSky HD+ set-top box. I myself have the older TataSky HD set-top box and I do not see the issues mentioned here. Thus in all likelihood the problem is not with the TataSky signal, rather the problem lies in the way the TataSky HD + set-top box is processing the picture. It may also be an issue with the HDMI ouput. As is commonly known, the TataSKy HD+ set-top box has an issue with not being able to transmit the DD 5.1 bitstream, thus the fact that there is a software/firmware problem with the HDMI output is already established and therefore it is very much possible that the firmware issues may also be effecting the HDMI video output.

PS: A washed out picture suggests incorrect HDMI 'black level' output from the set-top box. In case your TV has an option to select the 'HDMI Black Level', sewt it at 'LOW'. In case you do not have this option, then simpluy lower your 'brightness' settings and you should get a much better picture.
 
As informed before thats not possible to control DD5.1 bitstream. Seems you have set the preferred audio setting as PCM instead of Dolby. Else, nothing has changed.

Oh yes, I just realised I had done that while watching the matches in HD. since I still don't have a Home Theater System, I discovered that the commentary was clearly audible when I changed the audio stream to PCM.
Thanks for that!
 
I can assure you, the problems that you have mentioned have nothing to do with the signal level, which is all that an 'amplifier' will increase. Based on the comments in this thread and elsewhere on this forum, my guess is that the problem lies with the TataSky HD+ set-top box. I myself have the older TataSky HD set-top box and I do not see the issues mentioned here. Thus in all likelihood the problem is not with the TataSky signal, rather the problem lies in the way the TataSky HD + set-top box is processing the picture. It may also be an issue with the HDMI ouput. As is commonly known, the TataSKy HD+ set-top box has an issue with not being able to transmit the DD 5.1 bitstream, thus the fact that there is a software/firmware problem with the HDMI output is already established and therefore it is very much possible that the firmware issues may also be effecting the HDMI video output.

PS: A washed out picture suggests incorrect HDMI 'black level' output from the set-top box. In case your TV has an option to select the 'HDMI Black Level', sewt it at 'LOW'. In case you do not have this option, then simpluy lower your 'brightness' settings and you should get a much better picture.
Sanjay, I agree that there are issues with HDMI output of this box, however even through component they are not disabling the scaling or improving on PQ. However hope you have noticed the difference in SQ as well especially on some of the Hindi channels like Zee, WB and all the DD D+ channels (when you compare with Dish HD).

We kept complaining of Dish HD not improving on their SD channels and service, however now I realize that the overall SD quality is far superior on most of the channels as compared with TS. Combined with better scaling, there is a day and night difference on some of the channels. Did you notice any deterioration after they added ESPN/Star HD?

Black Level setting is unavailable for TS+HD (setting is grayed out for this source). Seems its sending YCbCr which gives better color accuracy on my TV (no conversion from RGB). However I had compared with Dish HD (which is at "Low" setting - rest same calibrated ref 709 settings) and black levels match. So no black level issue should be there.


guys,

am not sure what is the hue and cry abt. Even i have the same TS HD + box. Pls note that the channels in SD format will be the upscaled version [So you wont see any diff as such from your previous TS box and TS HD box]. The diff you will see is with actual Tru HD channels like Nat Geo HD, Discovery HD and Star Crick HD]. Here you will see that actual HD video[1080p] and audio content. Offcourse, i do agree the the SQ is not that great for Tru HD channels in TS HD.

Hope this clarifies.

~Vince.
Vince, you might not notice however if I watch SD for 30mins on this box, switch to Dish HD on the same SD channel, my eyes heave a sigh of relief. Infact I feel the same for Audio when at times I could not hear the dialogs them-self. It gives my mind think that I need to clean my ears as the higher frequencies are quite sharply rolled off on several channels. They sound too muddy (other than HD channels which have other issues). If I compare with the hifi sound on Dish HD (though they seems to be boosting lower and higher frequencies), the difference is mind boggling. So even when they learn to flatten the sound (probably we should train them :), the sound should be close to CD quality (on upscaled and as you say "Tru" HD channels).

When watching SD channels my eyes keep trying to focus the "out of focus" effect created by the upscaling engine. This does cause FATIGUE to my EYES!

Hope you do realize that we are WELL AWARE of what we are talking about and do not need any clarification from you.
 
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Well prankey , probably if i had a Dish TV STB i would be able to tell the diff. Coz prev i owned a normal TS STB and now own the TS HD +. I dont see any diff as such w.r.t the SD channels.
 
Hi Bro,
I am a Tata Sky HD subscriber from past 4 months . I am very happy about the performance and response time between channel changing is also very quick. All you need is a good LCD tv. I have 40 inch Toshiba TV. There is not pixelation issues as well when compared to other service provider.


Dont spread out false reviews !
 
Hi Bro,
I am a Tata Sky HD subscriber from past 4 months . I am very happy about the performance and response time between channel changing is also very quick. All you need is a good LCD tv. I have 40 inch Toshiba TV. There is not pixelation issues as well when compared to other service provider.


Dont spread out false reviews !

buddy.. these are no false reviews..
Surely it has nothing to do with TVs either.. We all own variety of TVs (plasma, LCD, 720p, 1080p etc)..

Its a direct comparison with other STBs.

btw the discussion is on TS HD "plus" box.. not TS HD box.
 
Well prankey , probably if i had a Dish TV STB i would be able to tell the diff. Coz prev i owned a normal TS STB and now own the TS HD +. I dont see any diff as such w.r.t the SD channels.

That's the issue I am also pointing out here. In Dish HD, same channels look like HD due to excellent upscaling. In TS+HD its the reverse! Part of it has to do with aggressive deblocking and conversion to YCbCr (which is the native color space for HD only). So unless TS do proper conversion and upscaling, its actually making the SD channels look worse due to these unnecessary processing coupled with bad deinterlacing and upscaling (deblocking and conversion of RGB to YCbCr in SD channels).
 
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