The What Hi Fi Show 2013!

Hi all

I love the Diablos - unfortunately they were not setup to play

I did;
They were set up by me on Saturday @ 1930.
I wanted to listen to them - so Kamal permitted me & I spent 30 mins to set them up.
9 feet from the rear wall & they were 9'8" apart [approx]
They sounded glorious - to my ears - with the poor front end & pre they were 'excellent' ! I personally liked them a lot.
I wonder if any one else heard them..
Maybe on Sunday Morning - if they were not moved out.:cool:

:p

I forgot to add, that PTC's room was by far the Best Room - Size & Acoustics point of view.
It would have been great fun to set up the 'big boys' there....
I would never have placed them where they were placed [sorry] - there was so much potential in that room.
How I wish all the rooms were that size - the show would have been so much better.

Imaging the Burmester in that room;; OMG - would have been brilliant...
 
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Also, was reading some of the earlier posts and what alarmed me a little bit was the news about an Audio Vision India exhibitor charging a Rs. 500 fee for entry to their room. .
I visited twice to their demo room at expo, but no one asked for money.But they don't entertain much at their showroom(not av expo)if you do not take appointment.
Even with appointment ,if you stay their long,they don't like it.Not a good approach.They don't bother end users who has some AV knowledge.
 
Forgot to add

there were a lot of big players who came in for a listen too
there were at least 3 members of the 1 cr club ( i think ) whome i met
there were probably more whome i never knew

i must say - Some of them have really astute hearing
pointing out position changes upto 4mm

Lucky Ali walked in casually on friday to visit the BWs
Burge made a sale with the 800 diamonds

Interesting;
Gear was sold @ the Show.
Brilliant....
 
Ozzstriker: Ali*. And yes, duly noted as to who it was. As far as the organisers are concerned, Mr. Chona was a representative of Audio Vision India and the issue is with them as a whole. But again, nothing can be done about this at the moment, although this will be kept in mind when we're planning the show for 2014.

Sanjiv Chona profiles | LinkedIn
The link says that he is Chairman & Founder at Audio Vision India Pvt.
Dont expect such a moment if he is Founder(?).
I liked the approach of senior Gentleman in Primare + Triangle room.
He just shared his music knowledge and did not deny any setup request.He even set Cambridge audio streamer immediately even it was not planned for Demo.:clapping:
 
I liked the approach of senior Gentleman in Primare + Triangle room.
He just shared his music knowledge and did not deny any setup request.He even set Cambridge audio streamer immediately even it was not planned for Demo.:clapping:

That was Mr. Sushil Anand of Nova Audio.
Senior person.
I have learnt a lot from him....
He is one of the BEST Analogue persons in this country.
Versatile to say the least.
Loves Music / Alcohol / Model Airplanes / Cameras / Gadgets etc.
Great fun person to be around.
Do visit his store - Nova Audio @ Mahim & interact more.
G - 3 Fairlands, 314, L.J Road, Mahim (W), Mumbai - 400016
 
Kapvin: Yes, the ding on the dust cap was the damage. Didn't affect the speaker's acoustics in any way, but damage is damage and the issue is serious because even minor damage like this to expensive speakers make a massive difference to their value.
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true.

And i guess if someone dinged my car, it would affect my mood, at least for that day. if my 80L+ asset lost a couple of lakhs in value, i can imagine that I would not be in the best of moods.

When I visited both B&W rooms on sunday (with wife and 2 kids), the fact that I am not a potential buyer for a 20lakh/80Lakh + speaker would have been clear to all. however, the gentlemen in both the rooms, were, well, absolute gentlemen. My son is a budding musician and appreciates good sound and they indulged his various song choices with a smile.
 
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Sorry, couldn't answer your question despite writing so much.

Thank you jls001, forget that i asked that silly question. i really really enjoyed your write-up - sitting far way i can only imagine and feel what you experienced seeing and listening to KI! so thank you very much and i'm glad for you that you were able to attend a presentation by KI! his humility and simplicity is so humbling:clapping:

my wild guess about the new player you referenced could be MARANTZ - NA-11S1 - heard that Marantz was planning to launch this around a year and half back but KI was not happy with the product initially - which explains why it took them so long to bring it to market! so was keen to know what KI saw missing in the first cut - thatz why the question :)
 
true.

And i guess if someone dinged my car, it would affect my mood, at least for that day. if my 80L+ asset lost a couple of lakhs in value, i can imagine that I would not be in the best of moods.

When I visited both B&W rooms on sunday (with wife and 2 kids), the fact that I am not a potential buyer for a 20lakh/80Lakh + speaker would have been clear to all. however, the gentlemen in both the rooms, were, well, absolute gentlemen. My son is a budding musician and appreciates good sound and they indulged his various song choices with a smile.

You probably met Mr. Burge Cooper and Mr. Munir Plumber. Like you said, they're absolute gentlemen and are a pleasure to interact with, and while it is sad that some had bad experiences, its good to know that the majority had good days at the show.
 
I did;
They were set up by me on Saturday @ 1930.
I wanted to listen to them - so Kamal permitted me & I spent 30 mins to set them up.
9 feet from the rear wall & they were 9'8" apart [approx]
They sounded glorious - to my ears - with the poor front end & pre they were 'excellent' ! I personally liked them a lot.
I wonder if any one else heard them..
Maybe on Sunday Morning - if they were not moved out.:cool:

:p

I forgot to add, that PTC's room was by far the Best Room - Size & Acoustics point of view.
It would have been great fun to set up the 'big boys' there....
I would never have placed them where they were placed [sorry] - there was so much potential in that room.
How I wish all the rooms were that size - the show would have been so much better.

Imaging the Burmester in that room;; OMG - would have been brilliant...

Bhagwan

I suppose the Diablos would have been on their own, without any sub woofer to accompany. How did you find the bass response? Was it in the same large room that the Stella's were?
 
Bhagwan

I suppose the Diablos would have been on their own, without any sub woofer to accompany. How did you find the bass response? Was it in the same large room that the Stella's were?

I may have had a 'bias' in its favour - simply because I set them.
But, it was the best of the show for me...
I listen to B'S @ Home so Bass is never a big part of the music play back for me & this speaker is a 'marvel'
Just needs the space to breath & play well.
I was super impressed...:clapping:

Played very well...How I wish - other could have heard it...
Purity of Tone was excellent. Very Coherent - I super liked..:licklips:
 
I was super impressed...:clapping:

Played very well...How I wish - other could have heard it...
Purity of Tone was excellent. Very Coherent - I super liked..:licklips:

Good to hear that Bhagwan - these speakers are quite high my list when I upgrade. I have heard them before and liked them, so will consider these.
Cheers,
Sid
 
well the diablos
were set up on sunday

however im not sure if they were setup the same way as on sat night

because to my ears they played poorly

i heard them on sunday afternoon
im pretty sure that the big boys were played on sunday morning
and these were re-setup by afteroon

ive heard the Diablos before
I love the texture and Trueness of tone

i did not hear that at the demo room
In fact i blankly told Kamal that
Grattan who was behind commented that he had just plonked the speakers there a few minutes ago - NO setup

i dunno why people do that
GOd damn if youre not gonna setup the speaker
why hear it and why let anyone else hear it

For example if i had never heard them earlier
and had this been my first expereince
i would have come away thinking its a shitty speaker

actaully this is the only qualm i had
which i mentioned in an earlier post

If you cant setup the speaker
DONT play it

its better than setting up wrongly and giving prospective clients a BAD idea about the speaker

the ship sinks before it sails no ?
there were a couple of setups like this

Super speakers but not so good setups
hence bad first impression!
 
^^That is pretty much the biggest issue with all focal setups (electra and utopia) that I've noticed. They are incredibly hard to setup and tune.

But once they are setup correctly, there's very little else that will match them.

However pretty much every time I've heard a focal in the Indian dealer showrooms, I've been completely disappointed as they were badly setup.

Unfortunately when a focal is setup badly, it sounds like nails on a blackboard.
 
I heard them on sunday afternoon
im pretty sure that the big boys were played on sunday morning
and these were re-setup by afteroon

ive heard the Diablos before
I love the texture and Trueness of tone

i did not hear that at the demo room
In fact i blankly told Kamal that
Grattan who was behind commented that he had just plonked the speakers there a few minutes ago - NO setup


Super speakers but not so good setups
hence bad first impression!

I cannot comment on this;
However, after what I had done on Saturday - if a 'tape' was put on the floor & the stand was moved, they [PTC] could have placed the 'D's back on Sunday - if they ever wanted to.

My Set up had the speakers 35 % into the room along the length. Very far from the rear wall.

Magma you should have heard that - really good it played...
The Sound Stage was 10 feet behind the speaker & the singer was 6 feet tall [Mark Knofler] brilliant tone too.
The Speakers were playing 18" outside their physical boundries.
Super Potential this speaker has. Just give it some space & it will sing...
 
^^That is pretty much the biggest issue with all focal setups (electra and utopia) that I've noticed. They are incredibly hard to setup and tune.

But once they are setup correctly, there's very little else that will match them.

However pretty much every time I've heard a focal in the Indian dealer showrooms, I've been completely disappointed as they were badly setup.

Unfortunately when a focal is setup badly, it sounds like nails on a blackboard.

Agreed. Unfortunately nine out of ten times I find them set up so badly that they sound really sharp and thin. I am sure they are better speakers than that!
 
ARE MY EYES DECEIVING ME OR WHAT? THE KEF R900 HAS A MRP OF RS.215000 HERE IN THESE PHOTOS, BUT it has a MRP of Rs.315000 on the ProFx site. Which is CORRECT? wish that, what we see in this photo is the new mrp.

It was a printing error, it is regrettably 315000/-, which was corrected by marker pen, have taken pics of the same & unfortunately not worth at all :indifferent14:
 
Hi Sidvee

The Bryston/MBL guys have their showroom in Fort. Its in Malhotra House. Don't know what they are called these days.

Imperial Sound is the name of the dealer in Mumbai.

Hardly any reviews on the new OPUS series from SONODYNE.
Not all of us can afford the big names reviewed here.
Did their invitation for HIFIVIAN's not go well?

The fact that the special invitation extended to HFV FM's was either not appreciated or missed out lead to a damp squib result. Really appalled to see
only bhagwan, magma & myself along with another fm who is not a regular but just a lurker, turn out for the 'event' :sad::mad::o
Total FAIL!
I will cover some info/views on the OPUS range once I get down to writing my show reviews in a separate thread.
PS: Didn't every FM get an invite banner along with a link to the thread posted in the 'Press Release' section of the forum, informing of the same???
Curious to know as most FM's said they did not get one :cool::rolleyes::p

The Bryston really does look a substantial speaker, but I am surprised at how reasonably priced it is for a big array of custom drivers, independent cross-over unit and specialized cabinet bracing, apparently. Less than $7,000 for the stock passive version (there are a Signature and an active versions also) MRP and probably can be had for at least 10% or 15% less street price.
Did anyone hear the small MBL white speakers too - always been curious to hear them.

Eight & a half lacs is the price for the Bryston speakers(passive):cool:
As for the MBL's yes will write some more on them in a separate thread. Total surprises for sure :)

I wonder why all the focus was on solid state SS amplification ( preamp and amp ) only and none on tube or hybrid amplification ? I mean , no exhibitor found it worth displaying them ? I know there were audio enthusiasts who owned tube amps , and know that many FM s here also own them. So why total disregard?
Few good tube based set ups would have given people different sound to,compare and enjoy.
To young and first timers , it would give false impression that high wattage SS was the only way to go.
Also there was no set up of low wattage amp, high sensitivity speakers , say like SET setup , or similar. Wished there were one or two like that . All set ups were SS with high wattage amps in range of 100-400 watts per ch (8ohm) . No set up had 10-25 watts per ch amp class A with speakers of 90-97 dB sen . Wished it was there, people would have option to listen and think there was another option.

I totally agree with your observations, sadly none of the exhibitors bar 1 bothered to bring tube amps! Or the fact that none deal with tube amps??? Absolute sound did bring an Integrated Tube Amp, but the synergy of the amp did not work with the rest of their gears, so they decided to not plug it into the chain.

Great to be able to "see" a couple of top FMs.:clapping: Way to go guys! Any more in the earlier pics?

Is it too early to ask if there was any talk of another show soon?:D

Regretting not attending the show eh??? :ohyeah:
 
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I am sorry.
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Therefore this is very huge.
I am sorry.
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Had a great time at my first ever hi-end audio gear expo. Twas a great experience for me, as nowhere else would I ever be able to listen to such a varied assortment of hi-end gear all under one roof. I also enjoyed interacting with some of the FMs I was privileged to meet. Denom, Bhagwan, Magma and Arhantd. Its always great to have a face to a name, and all these guys are such gentlemen, so it was great to interact.
Having played the violin in my growing years, I was always musically inclined. This was then greatly nurtured by the older friends I hung out with in the 80s. These guys had large LP collections of artists as diverse as Robert Johnson, Allan Holdsworth, Dixie Dregs, The Sex Pistols, etc., back in the day when good music was hard to come by. Though I collected a large amount of music through travels in the past 20 years, I somehow never ever had the urge to seriously upgrade my audio equipment.
The WhatHiFi show really gave me the opportunity to hear what so many very respected loudspeaker manufacturers thought was the best sounding loudspeaker they could manufacture and offer at a given price point. If only a year ago someone told me how 2 speakers costing x amount could sound so different, I would not comprehend. Today I can. The show educated me in the sense that I should not pay too much attention to what others think or what others consider a great sounding loudspeaker. I mean the guys who manufacture these very expensive and popular speakers must know more than a thing about what a great loudspeaker should sound like, and if they were so different from each other in presenting the same song/piece, it vindicates the fact that what might sound pedestrian to me might sound heavenly to the next guy. Of course, generally speaking, I think all the companies at the show were of a very high standard, but thence, everything would be personal choice. And its so easy to be influenced by peer pressure, bragging rights and pretense. So Ill try to keep that in mind too before going too crazy...
Speaking of the various rooms, I did enjoy a number of them. Some of the more enjoyable speakers I heard were the Dynaudio Contour Series, the Bel Canto/Tannoy Turnberrys, Arcam/Dali Epicon 6? and the Bryston setup. The B & W Nautilus/800D rooms, the Burmester room and the Focal room overwhelmed me. I havent heard such a cathedral like sound in my life and it just dwarfed and engulfed the whole room making me feel like I was drowning in a vortex of a sound whirlpool. It was was so overpowering, I cant even describe if I enjoyed it or was just filled with shock and awe. Then there was stuff that just didnt sound right to my untrained ears. The Quadrals, the Triangles, etc.
Basically I was happy that I could tell the difference and was beginning to appreciate the various audiophile adjectives that I have heard in the last one year. So in summary, it was both educational and enjoyable.
Which brings me to my favourite room and my favourite guy at the show Khushrau Jilla. I met Khushrau maybe around 18 years ago when he first joined Cadence. And then I met him again around a year ago, when my quest for better sounding gear began. Khushrau has not changed a bit. Always smiling, truthful and honest and always agreat source of information. Like a Wikipedia on anything audio (for me at least). Thanks to Khush, I have heard some of the best speakers in my life. First were the Cadence electrostatics that Khush sold to a very dear friend of mine whom I had taken to meet Khush (he only recently told me that those were his first sale for Cadence) and now the PMCs. As soon as I heard them, I wanted them. They were love at first sound. The musicality, the clarity, the tonality, the soundstage, the quick and grippy bass....all the boxes were ticked. Though I bought my PMCs before the show, I am even more satisfied now, as the PMC room was head and shoulders above most of the other very respected brands. This again is my personal opinion and might be slightly biased as I own a pair of PMCs and Khush is a dear friend. But ever since the OB1is came over to live with me, I listen to music for 5-6 hours a day, and that should tell you something. The wife is NOT pleased.
One strange incident which happened to me at the show, was an incident with a man in the AudioVision Room. This tall lanky gentleman who was there at least on the first 2 days in a striped full sleeved shirt and always following Mr. Cooper around, asked me for a Rs 500 fee for entering their rooms on the first day of the show. I thought he was pulling my leg and I asked if he was joking. He replied NO with an angry face and so I went ahead, not because I couldnt afford 500 bucks, but I just felt humiliated. Somebody told me he owns Cream Centre. Maybe he saw the Russell Peters None of these are amounts I want to pay look. Anyway, I think he just displayed poor attitude.
Otherwise, a great show, that I thoroughly enjoyed. Thank you Denom, thank you Bhagwan and Magma, and most of all thank you KJ for bringing PMC to India. Hope to meet all of you again sometime soon.

Ozzy, thoroughly enjoyed the event as well, but really shocked to hear about your '500 rupees 'ncident' :eek: No wonder you wanted to go there & hear the 800D's whilst I wasn't so keen to go back & see/be seen by the 'big shots' of AVI lest I be given some 'special treatment' as well :cool:

OMG, look at that Sonodyne. Guys, did any of you listen to it? Do you have specs? What are your impressions? Is it active/powered (forgive me for using them interchangeably :) )
Their website does is not updated with details of the new speakers

Very few FM's actually went to see & hear sonodyne, those who did have written already about their experience, I will share mine in a separate thread subsequently.

Hey all, thanks for coming and making the show a success.

Was good to meet a lot of you, including Bhagwan, Denom, Mpw and Magma .

Have to add, I may have been making more visits to Khushroo's room than any of the others while running about the Trident ;)
Photoshoot also done, everyone's rooms have been shot.

Needless to say, it's been a successful show and we're happy to be a part of it. Nishant paid for the team's celebratory dinner and drinks yesterday, so that's proof that it was a success :D

Congrats for pulling it off, :clapping: for the team @ haymarket.

Cheers! :beer:



Which model would this be?

Thx

It was the NA-11S1
Marantz US | NA-11S1
 
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