Western Digital WD TV HD Media Player - a HTPC replacement??

Or how 'bout a used Viewsonic Airpanel from eBay, it looks like it has everything one could want for to control a HTPC. Mebbe there's a good reason why the product range was discontinued but I can't figure out what it was...

If you feel like splurging a bit, then this or this might be the ticket...

Gruby due to my nature I always look for low cost soluion!!! :ohyeah::ohyeah::licklips:
Now 500-1000 US $ Display for US$ 100 Solutio It seems absurd! And that too just checkig title of songs!!
Anyway WDTV does not have WIFI ( unless you hack) and so really I do not know how these displays will be attached!
( WDTV has ONLY HDMI & Composite out)
Or for occasiona viewing 20 inch lcd or 14 inch crt is also good depending on budget...and convenience .. and waf:D
 
Just a wild suggestion...
Why not use 7" screens with WD TV just to check tracks or occasional Images

I think in grey market chinese screens are available @ Rs 3000+
Some available on ebay too

eBay India: 7" Inch LCD TV / Monitor with Multi Function LCDisplay (item 170326070742 end time 04-May-2009 19:38:28 IST)

Sorry Hemant and Anm, i dont understand why you need a screen specialy for that? Hook the WD TV to the TV and that should show the track right? why need seperate one? Sorry If i didnt understand the need
 
Hi,

A big amen to whatever moser has said.Cant imagine what i would do with out my pc at home:ohyeah:

cheers,
sri
 
MO-SIR
you are absolutely correct on all aspects
i can see you are trying to make sure we dont make a mistake that we regret in the long run
You must have tried out everything over the years and reached this decision
i commend you on offering your opinion so strongly

As you say there is no denying the flexibility which a PC would offer and im with you in the fact that it would rival even the best of sources.

sir i have one question though for the sake of argument (yes also for the sake of ppl like me who are having a difficult time in incorporating a PC with our stereo system due to various constraints)

Question1
only for pure 2.0 audio purposes
how much would the SQ differ between the PC based system with the Asus STX soundcard and WDTV/hard disk + an exteranl DAC ?


i ask since both are HDD solutions where music would travel in digital form from HDD to either the soundcard DAC or from HDD to WDTV optical out to an exteranl DAC
(consider the dac of the Asus soundcard and the external DAC to be of similar quality)

Question2
if i manage to connect an external soundcard to my laptop via usb or IEEE port and output an signal from there (the soundcard) would it be the same as using a dedicated HTPC with an internal soundcard?

i ask because i read somewhere that the on board soundcard of a basic lappie is not upto the mark.
however this doubt has arisen because i thought if we connect an exteranl soundcard i thought we bypass the MOB so the matter of infereier mob doesnt come into play at all
am i right or wrong in assumin the above.

thanks for your help
 
I will not use this screen probably as I will keep my wdtv (when I buy one) connected to projector all the time in the living room. But if someone wants to try this as an alternate, that should be fine.

Sorry Hemant and Anm, i dont understand why you need a screen specialy for that? Hook the WD TV to the TV and that should show the track right? why need seperate one? Sorry If i didnt understand the need
 
Question1 only for pure 2.0 audio purposes
how much would the SQ differ between the PC based system with the Asus STX soundcard and WDTV/hard disk + an exteranl DAC ?


i ask since both are HDD solutions where music would travel in digital form from HDD to either the soundcard DAC or from HDD to WDTV optical out to an external DAC (consider the dac of the Asus soundcard and the external DAC to be of similar quality)

Moser, I am taking the liberty of answering these questions.

Magma, the Asus sound card is one of the best in the world currently with a SNR that crosses 118dB. No other system can claim that in the market. In addition they have a THD that is as low as 0.0004%. The Asus uses 24-bit Burr-Brown PCM1796 *4 (123dB SNR, Max. 192kHz/24bit) for D-A, and Cirrus-Logic CS5381* 1 (120dB SNR, Max. 192kHz/24bit) for A-D conversion. These are the industry standard for DAC and ADC.

In addition, it is becoming more and more clear that if you rip a CD well into a lossless format, during playback, the PC audio file provides better sound stage than the original Redbook CD. For one, since there is no transport and the data is purely digital till DAC and pre-amplification, there is less jitter as compared to a CD Player. Secondly, irrespective of how many times you play the song, there is no loss of data whatsoever.

There have been some concerns about the noise introduced by the SMPS of the PC. Modern PCs, if assembled with the power supply of a good company such as Silverstone, Coolermaster, etc, will introduce literally no noise in the audio circuit. In addition sound cards have noise filters built in.

Though the WDT is good for storage and playing of media, sounds cards such as the Asus are far ahead in terms of the internals needed for accurate rendition of audio. As I said they beat the original CD itself.

Since these cards themselves provide top of the line DAC processing, the need of an external DAC becomes meaningless. Unless you have one more source, you may not need an external DAC at all. Yes, many of us were looking at an external DAC for using the DVD Player as a transport. But a PC based CD Player or even a DVD Player is just 2000 today. And that can provide better solution than a dedicated CD Player. Why look at using a DVDP as a music transport at all?

The only issue you will have is about an hour of your time for a CD to rip it. But this is compensated by a file that you can use a 1000 times or more.

Question2
if i manage to connect an external soundcard to my laptop via usb or IEEE port and output an signal from there (the soundcard) would it be the same as using a dedicated HTPC with an internal soundcard?

i ask because i read somewhere that the on board soundcard of a basic lappie is not upto the mark. however this doubt has arisen because i thought if we connect an exteranl soundcard i thought we bypass the MOB so the matter of infereier mob doesnt come into play at all am i right or wrong in assumin the above.

This depends a lot upon the specification of the external sound card. If the specifications are the same as using an internal card, yes it may sound the same, or should I say near the same.

But this reminds me a lot of the questions raised by people like Spiro sometime ago. If I buy a inexpensive DVDP and attach a external DAC, can I beat a dedicated CD Player. Remember the more steps you attach to the chain, the larger is the chance of noise. In addition, a laptop has limitations in HDD size. Plus when you are using it as a dedicated media source, it stops being a laptop altogether.

You certainly have an option. You can use a dedicated HTPC, or a laptop with a external sound card. You just have to ensure you get a card that is as good as internal cards that are there in the market today.

Cheers.
 
Venkatji - good writeup. Just 2 points

1. a CDP or a DVDP for computer may cost just 2000, but need a PC to connect it to. What should people like us do who do not have a dedicated PC/ HTPC? Building one would cost anything between 10k to 50k.

2. Regarding noise, USB interface is what computer audiophile and everyone says is noisy. Not sure if internal sound card would have a similar issue.

So a hdd based player like wdtv - with its digital out, still appeals for people like me who still do not have a dedicated PC. My wife has thrown out the spare laptop out of my drawing room that I thought I could use as a music player. The sound card in it is anyways too noisy to be used. But the point is, a PC may never get a place in my drawing room, unless I can find ways to hide it well, or make it a very good looking one.
With these limitations, I think wdtv can be a good option.
 
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Are we all not being a bit unfair comparing a WD TV to a HTPC ? A HTPC has no bounds. It is as expensive as its components. For me who has already tried an HTPC in his bedroom knows its limits. the first biggest limit is that when you are trying to navigate through your files at a distance of say 10 feet you need extra large size fonts to begin with otherwise it is impossible to read. Now if you go for extra large size fonts it screwed up windows message box titles really bad. The Wireless keyboard would sometimes refuse to work at a distance of 10 feet.Oh boy was it frustrating :mad: !I had even bought an external Turtle Beach Soundcard for digital pass through via my friend from the US. Ultimately I ditched the idea of an HTPC. Now with WD TV coming up with its neat looks and features it is something exactly what I wanted.


Pros:-

The video quality just blows you apart. Many a time I have hooked my xps lappie to my LCD via HDMI to play games /watch movies and boy what an Experience !! Hats off to a HTPC any day but I guess I will have to sacrifice a little on the audio/video side when I switch to HTPC but since I am not a Audiophile that is a price I am willing to pay.


Cheers !
 
well said Illusion. I have faced same issues with wireless keyboard from logitech. It was not the greatest one, just 1400. I am sure better and more expensive kb like dinovo would work better from a distance.
For people who have a rack close to their listening position it may still be manageable.

In short, everyone loves htpc, but too many complications in constructing one makes me postpone it. And then, I do not have an audiophile grade system anyways as of now. So unless it is grandly screwed up, I think wdtv will be great for my current system and my current ears (I hope my ears would auto upgrade themselves to audiophile grade in due course of time) :lol:

regards
 
well said Illusion. I have faced same issues with wireless keyboard from logitech. It was not the greatest one, just 1400. I am sure better and more expensive kb like dinovo would work better from a distance.
For people who have a rack close to their listening position it may still be manageable.

In short, everyone loves htpc, but too many complications in constructing one makes me postpone it. And then, I do not have an audiophile grade system anyways as of now. So unless it is grandly screwed up, I think wdtv will be great for my current system and my current ears (I hope my ears would auto upgrade themselves to audiophile grade in due course of time) :lol:

regards

No sir I thought the same. If you go and check out the logitech forum you will see that the Di Novo also has range issues at times besides being overly expensive. I mean I rather spend 5k and get me a low end no frills player than spend 6 times ( for decent htpc) the amount and get me a slightly better player cause as I mentioned earlier I am not an audiophile like venkatji!
I want some thing that does a decent job. As far as the reviews/screenshots goes WD TV has met my expectations.
 
I second illusion on the same, as purchasing decision would differ depending on each person's requirement and budget,

Hence i feel we can't compare the WDtv to a HTPC as u can not build a HTPC in 100$, while u can get the wd box for the same, both have different markets and will attract different buyers,

I was also planning to build a HTPC , in fact i had already bought a 780g gigabyte motherboard along with Athlon BE 7750 for the same purpose .

But then changed my mind when i read reviews of this box and went though the costing of the same. I have ordered a wdtv box and will be getting it by end of month.

So it makes sense to spend 5k on a no frills player rather than spending more on HTPC
 
I second illusion on the same, as purchasing decision would differ depending on each person's requirement and budget,

Hence i feel we can't compare the WDtv to a HTPC as u can not build a HTPC in 100$, while u can get the wd box for the same, both have different markets and will attract different buyers,

I was also planning to build a HTPC , in fact i had already bought a 780g gigabyte motherboard along with Athlon BE 7750 for the same purpose .

But then changed my mind when i read reviews of this box and went though the costing of the same. I have ordered a wdtv box and will be getting it by end of month.

So it makes sense to spend 5k on a no frills player rather than spending more on HTPC

Dont forget that with WD we need basic PC to rip(HDD),so total cost-

WD-7.5 + PC-5k(sec hand)
 
Please cross check if it is including tax or not, as once u add tax it will shoot up by another 800 odd bucks
 
Little off topic but just came to know that recently launched 7 series LED TV from Samsung in India can play most of the video file from the attached/Network HDD. Also, it is internet TV(You Tube video etc.) .

The following arr the details I found at Samsung India website:
UA40B7000 - LED TV - Television | SAMSUNG

Internet TV
DLNA Wireless Support
Content Library (Flash),
USB Movie,
Wireless LAN Adaptor Support

Right now this TV is expensive(1.4 lac) but I think within a year it will affordable. Do we still need WDTV or any NMT :) ?
 
I second illusion on the same, as purchasing decision would differ depending on each person's requirement and budget,

Hence i feel we can't compare the WDtv to a HTPC as u can not build a HTPC in 100$, while u can get the wd box for the same, both have different markets and will attract different buyers,

I was also planning to build a HTPC , in fact i had already bought a 780g gigabyte motherboard along with Athlon BE 7750 for the same purpose .

But then changed my mind when i read reviews of this box and went though the costing of the same. I have ordered a wdtv box and will be getting it by end of month.

So it makes sense to spend 5k on a no frills player rather than spending more on HTPC

Me too hoping to get my wd tv by the first week of next month!
 
Hmmm. Lots of options going around and lots of questions/queries to answer. At the outset this is just IMHO and no offense meant to anyone...

My reply/post (and so was Venkat sir's) was mainly to talk about the PC as source/transport and how good it is in that department and not really as a HTPC. In fact I don't even use my PC as HTPC except for the ripping part. However, since that's been brought up let me also post my thoughts on the same.

At the very outset let's talk about cost. It's being made to sound like you just buy WDTV and it's done and well nothing can be further from the truth. Cost of WDTV 7-8K. You need a HDD say 500 GB to 1 TB, so that's another 4-5K. Now coming to source material. You will need a PC to either rip CDs or to d/l music (forgive me piracy haters). Same goes for DVDs/HD Rips too. In fact WDTV is for playing HD rips and also in part magma's query about using it to play music. Now WDTV does not make sense unless you have HD rips so as far as I can see only way to procure HD rips is to d/l them (forgive me piracy haters) or else rip from Blu-Ray DVDs like I am doing. Again these costs too have to be factored in. Even if you don't need a PC to rip or d/l music or HD rips you will still need a monitor to see what's going in WDTV and that will cost another 2-3K even for the cheapest option. So basically going the route of WDTV you're looking at anything from 15K or more and this is without the cost of a PC assuming you're going to be getting music and movies without using a PC yourself. Do note that even if you have Audio CDs they still have to be ripped to play via WDTV and ditto for movies too. So at the min WDTV + HDD + monitor, I would say around 15K to start off with.

Also, since I'm in support of a PC over a CDP let's factor in the cost of a CDP. A decent CDP will cost at least 5 figures and the good ones a lot more. A PC (done right with the right soundcard) will beat any CDP handsdown and will cost 25K to a max of 30K. No CDP in that price range will even be able to compete with the PC (when it's done right).

Now onto specific queries...


Please don't call me that. Only Venkat sir.

MO-SIR
you are absolutely correct on all aspects
i can see you are trying to make sure we dont make a mistake that we regret in the

long run
You must have tried out everything over the years and reached this decision
i commend you on offering your opinion so strongly

As you say there is no denying the flexibility which a PC would offer and im with you

in the fact that it would rival even the best of sources.

sir i have one question though for the sake of argument (yes also for the sake of ppl

like me who are having a difficult time in incorporating a PC with our stereo system

due to various constraints)

Question1
only for pure 2.0 audio purposes
how much would the SQ differ between the PC based system with the Asus STX soundcard

and WDTV/hard disk + an exteranl DAC ?


i ask since both are HDD solutions where music would travel in digital form from HDD

to either the soundcard DAC or from HDD to WDTV optical out to an exteranl DAC
(consider the dac of the Asus soundcard and the external DAC to be of similar

quality)

Question2
if i manage to connect an external soundcard to my laptop via usb or IEEE port and

output an signal from there (the soundcard) would it be the same as using a dedicated

HTPC with an internal soundcard?

i ask because i read somewhere that the on board soundcard of a basic lappie is not

upto the mark.
however this doubt has arisen because i thought if we connect an exteranl soundcard i

thought we bypass the MOB so the matter of infereier mob doesnt come into play at all
am i right or wrong in assumin the above.

thanks for your help

Venkat sir has already explained the technical part/aspect so I will skip that. Now in my own words let me talk about the experience part. SQ via the PC on Asus soundcard with the right speakers is absolutely divine. This to my ears is the best sounding music I've heard in a long time. It will beat any CDP hands down unless you're going to be talking about the big boys costing 5000 U.S. Dollars onwards. Otherwise the PC sounds way better better and great when compared to any stereo unit where costs are comparable. Let me go out here on a limb and say there is no way you can achieve the SQ the PC will deliver with a stereo/amp combo unless you're willing to spend like crazy. In the sound department the PC wins hands down. Otherwise there is no way I will even be recommending a PC to play music. It's only because music on the PC is so good am I going about recommending it. Factors like cost, etc. will need to be justfied and I hope my entire post manages to do it.

Venkatji - good writeup. Just 2 points

1. a CDP or a DVDP for computer may cost just 2000, but need a PC to connect it to. What should people like us do who do not have a dedicated PC/ HTPC? Building one would cost anything between 10k to 50k.

2. Regarding noise, USB interface is what computer audiophile and everyone says is noisy. Not sure if internal sound card would have a similar issue.

So a hdd based player like wdtv - with its digital out, still appeals for people like me who still do not have a dedicated PC. My wife has thrown out the spare laptop out of my drawing room that I thought I could use as a music player. The sound card in it is anyways too noisy to be used. But the point is, a PC may never get a place in my drawing room, unless I can find ways to hide it well, or make it a very good looking one.
With these limitations, I think wdtv can be a good option.

More or less I believe I've answered your queries too. Just getting WDTV is not the end of the story. Instead rather it's the beginning. You will need HDD and media sources too. Even if you plan to rip music via your existing laptop you will still need HDD as you will soon run out space. The laptop is not even going to cut it for ripping Blu-Ray media. If it's d/l even then you will need DVDs or HDDs to back up all the d/l. WDTV is a device that's going to play your HD rips or your FLAC rips. Seriously no way is it going to replace a PC. Just getting HD rips and FLAC rips without a PC will be next to impossible. I'm not asking you to splurge and buy a PC here, but you do have to think about HD rips and FLAC rips to play via WDTV and how you are going to get them and store them. I have a PC and I'm thinking of WDTV because it will let me play all the rips I have.

__________

Now coming to HTPC part i.e. video content. Same points once again. Where will you get the HD rips from and where will you store them? Even after spending on WDTV and HDD you will still need a PC to rip content or d/l it right? On the other hand if you have a PC (or go with a PC instead of WDTV) you can still rip content in any format you want (or d/l) that will play on any budget DVDP at 3-4K. In such a scenario (for those with a PC) WDTV makes sense since it will play all HD rips (or d/l). Without a PC at home WDTV does not even begin to make sense so how come it's being thought of as a replacement for a PC. I'm not talking about what a PC can do and what WDTV can do here. Just that without a PC at home where will you even get content that WDTV will play. A CDP at least will play Audio CDs without the need of a PC. WDTV without a PC? No way! Replacement or instead of a PC? I cannot even begin to think here and I'm still scratching my head...

Like I made it very clear at the start of the post. Just more than my 2 cents and IMHO. No offense meant to anyone so please don't take any. I'm just sharing my experiences that will help everybody.
 
Not too offtopic. Those who are planning to buy a new TV will love it. Not sure how power efficient would it be to run TV for playing music though.

Little off topic but just came to know that recently launched 7 series LED TV from Samsung in India can play most of the video file from the attached/Network HDD. Also, it is internet TV(You Tube video etc.) .

The following arr the details I found at Samsung India website:
UA40B7000 - LED TV - Television | SAMSUNG

Internet TV
DLNA Wireless Support
Content Library (Flash),
USB Movie,
Wireless LAN Adaptor Support

Right now this TV is expensive(1.4 lac) but I think within a year it will affordable. Do we still need WDTV or any NMT :) ?
 
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