Why People hate Bose

in my opinion, Bose is somewhat like Apple - they have chosen what you should have and what you shouldn't, all nicely packaged with a great user experience. For the general public who don't want to know or don't consider the intricate details, they have a product from a great 'brand' which looks good and sounds good which they can then show off. This market is much bigger and proven by the success of these products, there is no reason they should change at all - that too for a fraction of the entire population. Hell - the other traditional brands are changing now :)

Buddy, what were you drinking when you wrote this? There is so much error in these few sentences, only a religious scripture can match it.

Let's examine each of your sentences:

they have chosen what you should have and what you shouldn't

I have no idea what you are talking about. I have been a long time Apple user (both their Desktop and laptops) and Apple choses nothing for me except great hardware and a stable OS. I can install any application I want, both free and commercial, from anyone. In fact, unlike in the case of Windows, I do not have to seek Bill's permission every time I want to re-install the OS.

If you meant ability to program the computer, Mac OS is super easy. XCode, Mac OS's development environment, is free (I believe they are charging $4.95 for it now). VC++, the equivalent Microsoft app, costs some serious amount of money (> $500 for pro edition. Don't talk about the express edition. It isn't the real thing). If I want to, I can write my own apps for my Mac and I don't pay a dime to Apple.

If you are talking about their mobile platforms, you probably have no knowledge of the history of development on mobile platforms. Apple will give you the development environment for free (XCode + iPhone SDK) and there is enough information on the internet about the APIs. If you had ever tried programming for a mobile device before iOS (E.g. Symbian, Palm or Windows Mobile), you would know what I am talking about. One of the reasons for the success of apple's app store is that they made is very easy for the developer to write programs. You do pay for a developer license, but it doesn't cost an arm or a leg ($99/year iOS Developer Program - Apple Developer ). I have some experience of development on mobile platforms before iPhone. Trust me, iPhone development was God sent.

If you meant you can't play flash videos on your iPhone, too bad. I am not shedding a tear. I really don't care about flash.

If you find the app store restrictive, I am very curious to know what kind of applications you are looking for. Many of my friends use the app store and they have never told me that they couldn't find an app they wanted. I hope you are not talking about pirating software.

**Let's not talk about Android. That would need a keg of beer and whole night.

all nicely packaged with a great user experience.

Since when has that become a negative thing?


For the general public who don't want to know or don't consider the intricate details,

Back up your words. Most computer geeks, the equivalent of audiophiles in the computer world, would pick up a Mac.

I have a ton of supergeek friends who have switched to Mac. And I am talking about people with real careers in computer engineering, those who understand the guts of the system.

Zuckerberg switch from a Sony VIAO to Mac. I am sure you don't consider him to be someone who can't understand the inner details.

Here is Paul Graham on why Hackers prefer Mac.

Return of the Mac

In fact, the people who know their bits and bytes will prefer a mac. It is the aunties and the uncles who can't see anything beyond the price tag who end up signing up for Wintel.

Most people end up buying Bose because they know of nothing else. I was in the same boat a year ago. That isn't true for Apple. The people who are buying Apple *are* aware of the competing products.

they have a product from a great 'brand' which looks good and sounds good which they can then show off.

Hmm, is that a bad thing? "if it looks good and sounds good", what is the problem? Anyway, I love good industrial design and Jonathan Ive has done a phenomenal job over the past decade. I *would* pay more to get a well designed computer. No cheap plastic crap from Dell if I can afford better.

And I hope you are not implying that Bose products are well designed. Let me break it for you. Bose equipment is butt ugly. There are a dozen other Audio manufacturer whose equipment looks far better. Even my Wharfedale 10.1 looks better than the 301. You will have to pay me to put the 901 in my living room. And the other speakers (acoustimass) look like they have been designed for the dentist's lounge.


This market is much bigger and proven by the success of these products, there is no reason they should change at all - that too for a fraction of the entire population.

Bose is a privately held company, I do not understand how you can talk about it's market share or success. Apple has become the most valuable tech company. If you believe they became by selling low quality products at high prices, you really need to get a clue. They build solid products at prices that are very difficult to match (check what happened to those playing in the same markets; E.g. Nokia, Blackberry, or Motorola or Samsung). I don't know if any audio equipment manufacturer is losing sleep because of Bose.

Hell - the other traditional brands are changing now :)

In the case of Apple, yes. Everyone is trying to copy their design, which in a way is an endorsement of their work. I am not sure if any *real* audio equipment maker cares about Bose.
 
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I think he meant iPhone when he said 'apple choses what you should have' etc. Its true with iPhone, one reason why I never bought it and opted for Android. BUT - when it comes to PCs and Laptops Apple is absolutely the tops. I have used Linux, Windows and lately Apple. Linux is the most cost effective and easy to create large scale system software. Apple is the best user experience and also best for User Interface coding.

Windows is ---- well like Bose :-)

After using Mac, when I see a Windows machine my soul starts hurting..

Anyway, back to topic....
 
Bose is interesting, I think the Apple analogy is somewhat correct. I will probaly never part with my 901s. They originated in the 1960s and are in their 6th release. Bose has stayed with a successful product that delivers a lot for the cost. I think they will continue to focus new development on making the same listening quality available in smaller equipment. My wife has a Bose Wave radio and it really is amazing. The Acoustimass staellite system is very serviceable. Most women don't want big speakers standing around and most of us don't have the money to develop a dedicated listening room so they is a large market to exploit at their pricepoint.
 
Guys, if you think BOSE are expensive then try to find out the prices of Bang and Olufsen audio components!! This company makes bose look like a cheap ass ahuja amp and speaker set!!!!! When I first saw the prices in Whatfi magazine, I really thought ''DAMN! I could buy a decent flat in pune in this price'' , There are crazy prices like these in electronics...!
 
Bose colors the music. It does not create neutral sound. Hence the audiophiles hate it. But there many (like me) who don't mind little coloration. For instance, my SE530 has liquid gold mids but well recessed lows and highs. But, i luv it. It is personal taste. I have Bose desktop companion speakers for my PC for last 5 years. But, i would never choose for my HT setup. Again..personal preference.
 
no one hates bose, its like story of fox and sour grapes...when grape is not reachable fox says it sour,,,,but
i do agree for the price of bose, u get better av and speakers, worth the money...
bose thinks they can maintain that they r best with high pricing... remember the fate of nokia smartphones once ruled are now down to earth, loosing grounds to samsung and lg now never able to rise...
bose too will find its way soon... sorry if i hurt both lovers and haters of bose..its my personal view.

Absolutely right. I purchased sony wega of 29 inch in 2000 in 27K. Now sony is nowhere as compared to samsung LEDs. No one can be Ace forever. Moreover Bose is always hyped what I strongly feel after listening it.
 
Absolutely right. I purchased sony wega of 29 inch in 2000 in 27K. Now sony is nowhere as compared to samsung LEDs. No one can be Ace forever. Moreover Bose is always hyped what I strongly feel after listening it.

Actually according to most tech sites the best overall tv this year is ofcourse the VT30 but the best LED tv by far is the Sony HX929... So I wouldn't go as far as to say Sony is nothing compared to samsung in LED tv section... Also the major issues samsung has had with it's panels has made some ppl pause before investing in a samsung tv... Anyway a frnd of mine invested 3.25L in a Bose system even though I assured him there are better systems out there for this kind of budget... Anyway his explanation was that the Bose systems sound quite good & more importantly he has to think of his image too that's y he chose Bose...
 
I know this is an old thread, and I admit to not having read every post on every page, but here are some really good examples of why so many people don't like Bose. With some real numbers thrown in for fun.

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good god. i remember reading the same article almost 9 years back when i started my audiophile journey..and the model is also that old..most models have come a long way since then.

Bose is a self proclaimed lifestyle speaker.. it is neither an audiophile speaker nor one which claims/pretends to be one..not sure why every budding audiophile things that a rite of passage to audiophiledom is by bashing them up :rolleyes:

They are marketed at those folks who want small speakers and a higher level than the plastic Sonys et al which constitute perhaps 95%+ of the hifisystem buying public...not at the remaining 5% audiophiles (except the 901 which has a fan club)
 
For all the BOSE lovers here is something that will open your eyes.

A/V Truths/Why Bose Isn't Worth The Money


Warning: please do not bang your head against anything for spending your hard earned money.


BTW some of the best sounding speakers even today still have paper cones :). papers and some of these natural products are supposed to have a more natural tone. to do that with newer materials come at a much higher cost
 
Bose is to speakers what Mc Donald's is to burgers. They may be popular and readily available but definitely far from being the best.
 
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Bose...Affordable? Really?
They get undeserved praise from some set of folks and undeservered flak from another set.

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Bose is to speakers what Mc Donald's is to burgers. They may be popular, affordable and readily available but definitely far from being the best.

Another analogy would be to compare Bose with Mainland China. You go there to eat "authentic" Chinese food, until you discover what Chinese food really is.
 
one thing you should give to Bose is that for those not initiated into the intricacies of audiophilia, it has a mythic status.
somehow the notion is conveyed to you that Bose is 'very good'. then the price issue comes in and one begins to research.
and the window opens. Bose is ditched and the real hifi world stares at you and a lifelong journey, both bewitching and bedevilling begins
at least it happened to be like that with me.
 
Bose is to speakers what Mc Donald's is to burgers. They may be popular, affordable and readily available but definitely far from being the best.

The very reason Bose gets bashed everywhere is the price to value proposition. Nobody would hate Bose at half the price.

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one thing you should give to Bose is that for those not initiated into the intricacies of audiophilia, it has a mythic status.
somehow the notion is conveyed to you that Bose is 'very good'. then the price issue comes in and one begins to research.
and the window opens. Bose is ditched and the real hifi world stares at you and a lifelong journey, both bewitching and bedevilling begins
at least it happened to be like that with me.

MY STORY TOO ....... first visit was to the Bose showroom the moment I had accumulated some funds in 2009 for hi-fi purchase ... then .. the price quoted came as a knock-out punch!

"The very reason Bose gets bashed everywhere is the price to value proposition. Nobody would hate Bose at half the price". Well .... one-third price, that should be more accurate and acceptable!
 
When Paradigm offers a Satellite speaker. it is applauded aka Millenia One
same holds true for Bowers and Wilkens with their Mini Theathre MT50 and MT60 D
Anthony Gallo also offers the same with Micro, Micro Ti
KEF, Def tech, JBL,Klipsch etc etc etc tec
Infact most manufaturers have tiny cube array speakers in their line up.
THe above mentioned spakers are by no way cheap.Yet we dont go about bickering about the price.
For example Focal dome 2.1 costs around $1500 ad the 5.1 pushes the price up to $2600. And this is only for the speakers and nothing else.

Coming down to paper cones used in Bose
A lot of audiophile speaker brands still use papaer cones.
Usher comes to mind.

I am not saying that Bose is good, Just saying that its time to let go. All speaker manufacturers have a business to run and at the end of the day its all about marketing and keeping healthy profits.

If Bose sounds good to someone's ears who are we to judge and say it sucks. After all everyone has a different perception of sound what sounds good to me may suck for you. Thats why we all have different equipment.

If someone is looking for a 5.1 for 40k and needs a tiny aesthectically pleasing setup the Acoustimass 6 is not a bad option. Yes there are other manufacturers who also have similar tiny cube speakrs in this price range that may sound better. But it does not divulge from the fact that with all satellite speakers due to the size of the drivers. There is going to be some sort of a trade off with SQ. Irrespective of who the manufacturer is.
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