Yamaha AVR issues: rumours or truth

[sauron]

Had nearly finalized Yamaha RX V467 ...
But a couple of dealers (Panacea Infocom, Mumbai n Aquarius, Pune) told me that Yamaha receivers were having problems lately and that their service was taking too long !!!

When I asked what kind of issues they kept saying the issue was mostly "dead" receivers !!!

Conversely the guy from Sahakar Electronics, Mumbai said that there are absolutely no problems with the Yams at all ...
Now this has got me confused as to whether the first two dealers are misguiding me (probably as they don't have the AVR in question) or are they genuinely telling me the truth ???

 

[kumararvind]

I have been using the Yamaha 663 for last two years without any downtime...I know of lot of ppl who use Yamaha without any downtime till date....Yamaha uses Burr Brown DACs even in their lowest lines of AVRs, whereas Denons/Onkyos only use the Burr Brown DACs in their Top of the line ranges. You can google Burr Brown for their quality. Definitely trying to give you something else.

 

[NetFreak]

Thats a rumour for sure.

Its a common tactic by dealers. They would diss any brand / model that competes with whatever big margin item they happen to have.

 

[crazycalvin]

whereas Denons/Onkyos only use the Burr Brown DACs in their Top of the line ranges.

AFAIK, Onkyo's entry-level HTS-3300 also uses Burr Brown DACs.

 

[hemantwaghe]

ya,ahas 5 sereis had some issues'( 365 n 465) i think this thing was discussed in forun.least one member confirmed this about 365 in telecon with me.his friends 365 had power'supply issues many time

Venkat sir and bluefloyed please you can confirm this

 

[venkatcr]

Yamaha's xx3 series were giant killers. The xx5 had definite issues which basically was in terms of the reduced capabilities of their power units. Subsequently, the x65 series were unpopular as they could not delivery enough power.

With the xx7 series, Yamaha has resolved that issue. I have been using a 667 for some time, and I see no issues with it, except that I don't like its Menu structure. But that is subjective. As far as performance, power etc, goes, the 667 works very well. I have heard a lot good things about the 467. Actually this is the first negative remarks I have heard about the 467.

Cheers

 

[spirovious]

Yamaha has good reputation & their AVR are of well built too.But recent marketing & costcutting can force any company to compromise on certain things.Built quality of current line may not best compare to older one,but as others said the power issue has been resolved with new series.
@Venkatcr- When did you update from Onk875 to 667?

 

[venkatcr]

@Venkatcr- When did you update from Onk875 to 667?

I don't consider that an update. I continue to use and enjoy the 875. I am fortunate enough to be able to use different AVRs in my friends place(s) where they call me for advice, settings, etc. We usually end up enjoying a movie or two together.

Cheers

 

[NetFreak]

ya,ahas 5 sereis had some issues'( 365 n 465) i think this thing was discussed in forun.least one member confirmed this about 365 in telecon with me.his friends 365 had power'supply issues many time

Venkat sir and bluefloyed please you can confirm this

Issues with xx5 AVRs are w.r.t. Amplifier power. It never had any issues with Quality (Dead units as claimed by Dealer).

 

[aminder]

i have been using yamaha avr's since the last 6 years and i havent had a single issue with these , the dealers in delhi also emphasize buying denon or onkyo more and a good margin is a big reason behind this, in fact i would like to tell you that its today i have booked the the rx-v3067 with yamaha delhi ,and i m the first one to get it in india just look at the specs and reviews of the 67 series especially the 2067 and 3067 feature awsome technologies at a good price . I would like to suggest you to save some money and go for the 1067 if its possible , also check out the reviews of the rx-a3000/rx-v3067 at audioholics
and you will be happy to hear good things the amps in the 3067 measure better than the famous emotiva's stand alone upa 7 . Yamaha has made very nice changes in their 67 line up so go for it

 

[vktyagi]

today i have booked the the rx-v3067 with yamaha delhi ,

With which dealer at Delhi and at what price.

 

[rana_kirti]

which dealer in delhi is givin the best pricing for yamaha avr...?

also aminder i'm keen to know why you selected 3067 amongst the 1067,2067 & 3067....

i'm also in the market for a new avr....

sauran...

m using my yamaha rx v450 for last 6 yrs with absolute joy. good built, excellent sound and working in great condition.

the new 67 series are very accomplished avrs. go for it...!!!

 

[sukhjit_bhullar]

i'm having rx-v667 and love its performance both in audio as well as video,there were minor power supply issues in xx5 series but now in 367,467,567... or xx7 it has been fully resolved. After xx5 issue yamaha people went to drawing board and started from scratch and result is the excellent xx7 series with 3d capabilities. power supply has been redesigned and different set for digital and analogue circuitry. These are pure rumours, these dealers will say anything to earn good margin. yamaha has got its own signature style sound quality having dedicated fans all round world. so don't be confused IMHO you have selected an very good VFM product.

 

[L33TWiZaRd]

I'm also keen on buying a Yamaha receiver, probably the 567 or the 667.

Any good dealers for the same in the Delhi/Gurgaon area?

 

[sauron]

Ya guys have no idea how relieved I am after your confirmation !!!

Thanks a ton fellas !!!

@Aminder - I don't even have an idea about the price of 1067 (or 2067 or 3067) - guessin they won't fit my budget !!!

 

[rana_kirti]

Ya guys have no idea how relieved I am after your confirmation !!!

Thanks a ton fellas !!!

Enjoy....

 

[aminder]

why i selected 3067

7-channel powerful surround sound (1.400W=200W x 7 for Europe; 980W=140W x 7 RMS; 1,400W=200W x 7 max)
HD Audio format decoding: Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio; Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
H-shape cross member frame and rigid bottom frame/double bottom construction
Symmetrical power amplifier layout
New heat sink with anti-vibration and anti-thermal properties
High speed thermal feedback power amplifier
DAC on Pure Ground circuitry with high-performance Burr-Brown PCM1796 DACs
Extra-high capacity block capacitors
Ultra Low Jitter PLL circuitry
Intelligent Assignable amplifiers for bi-amp or Surround Back <-> Front Presence or Zone 2/Zone 3 connection
Analogue and HDMI video upscaling to full HD 1080p
1080p-compatible HDMI: 8 inputs (1 on front) and 2 outputs (simultaneous)
Supports Deep Colour (30/36 bit), x.v.Colour, 24Hz Refresh Rate and Auto Lip-Sync compensation
HQV high-class chipset VHD1900 for HD/SD Video
Video adjustment functionality
New auto noise reduction (mosquito, block and temporal noise) with customisation capability
New auto resolution enhancement (detail and edge enhancement) with customisation capability
Auto Contrast Enhancement
Video signal control (Contrast, Brightness, Saturation)
6 preset memories
Variable video adjustment
New SCENE PLUS - simple and versatile functionality
12 SCENE choices (4 on front panel and others on GUI)
Zone SCENE - 4 SCENE buttons for Zone 2/Zone 3
Versatile parameters can be stored into each SCENE
Network functions
Access to Internet Radio (MP3/WMA) and music files on PC or DLNA Server (WAV, MP3, WMA, AAC, FLAC 96/24)
Web Browser Control via PC or PDA
Receiver Manager through network connection
DLNA 1.5 certified
YPAO-R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) sound optimisation with angle measurement and multi-point measurement
DSP Effect Normalisation
Room Acoustic Echo
Controlling reflection and echo
HDMI (V.1.4a with 3D and Audio Return Channel)
HDMI CEC functionality
New on-screen display GUI with album art
Flexibly assignable component video and optical/coaxial (except Video Aux) inputs allow a wide range of source components
Video Adjustment Preset
Ability to change HDMI input while in Standby Through mode
USB port for portable audio players and flash drives (MTP/MSC)
iPod/iPhone compatibility with optional YDS-12 Universal Dock
iPod song titles displayed in English and Western European languages
Wireless connection for iPod/iPhone with optional YID-W10
Bluetooth (A2DP) compatibility with optional Yamaha Bluetooth Wireless Audio Receiver YBA-10
Auto power down function with variable time setting
HD Audio decoding with CINEMA DSP 3D (23 DSP programmes)
Compressed Music Enhancer with CINEMA DSP
CINEMA DSP 3D, expandable to 11.2 channels (with front and rear presence speakers) by adding an external amp
Virtual Presence Speaker function for CINEMA DSP 3D without Front Presence Speakers
Channel expandability with external amplifier (11-channel expandability (bi-amping))
Adaptive DRC (Dynamic Range Control) and Adaptive DSP Level
Dialogue Lift
Zone 2/Zone 3/Zone 4 on/off and control on front panel
Zone GUI (song/station select, album cover art display, zone tone controls/Zone balance, short message)
Zone video assign (Zone 2/Zone 3/Zone 4)
System Backup / Recovery function
Multi-channel output in main zone plus 2-channel HDMI output in a second zone
Zone MONO, Zone volume and tone controls
Party mode

these are just the major stated features , you would be surprized to know that a major con that has been stated for this model is that its got too many features to explore which may confuse an audiophile

now here are the video processing results

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/rx-a3000/rx-a3000-bench-test

audio power amp tests (3067 vs emotiva upa 7)
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/rx-a3000/rx-a3000-measurements-cont

 

[mpw]

why i selected 3067

7-channel powerful surround sound (1.400W=200W x 7 for Europe; 980W=140W x 7 RMS; 1,400W=200W x 7 max)
HD Audio format decoding: Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio; Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
H-shape cross member frame and rigid bottom frame/double bottom construction
Symmetrical power amplifier layout
New heat sink with anti-vibration and anti-thermal properties
High speed thermal feedback power amplifier
DAC on Pure Ground circuitry with high-performance Burr-Brown PCM1796 DACs
Extra-high capacity block capacitors
Ultra Low Jitter PLL circuitry
Intelligent Assignable amplifiers for bi-amp or Surround Back <-> Front Presence or Zone 2/Zone 3 connection
Analogue and HDMI video upscaling to full HD 1080p
1080p-compatible HDMI: 8 inputs (1 on front) and 2 outputs (simultaneous)
Supports Deep Colour (30/36 bit), x.v.Colour, 24Hz Refresh Rate and Auto Lip-Sync compensation
HQV high-class chipset VHD1900 for HD/SD Video
Video adjustment functionality
New auto noise reduction (mosquito, block and temporal noise) with customisation capability
New auto resolution enhancement (detail and edge enhancement) with customisation capability
Auto Contrast Enhancement
Video signal control (Contrast, Brightness, Saturation)
6 preset memories
Variable video adjustment
New SCENE PLUS - simple and versatile functionality
12 SCENE choices (4 on front panel and others on GUI)
Zone SCENE - 4 SCENE buttons for Zone 2/Zone 3
Versatile parameters can be stored into each SCENE
Network functions
Access to Internet Radio (MP3/WMA) and music files on PC or DLNA Server (WAV, MP3, WMA, AAC, FLAC 96/24)
Web Browser Control via PC or PDA
Receiver Manager through network connection
DLNA 1.5 certified
YPAO-R.S.C. (Reflected Sound Control) sound optimisation with angle measurement and multi-point measurement
DSP Effect Normalisation
Room Acoustic Echo
Controlling reflection and echo
HDMI (V.1.4a with 3D and Audio Return Channel)
HDMI CEC functionality
New on-screen display GUI with album art
Flexibly assignable component video and optical/coaxial (except Video Aux) inputs allow a wide range of source components
Video Adjustment Preset
Ability to change HDMI input while in Standby Through mode
USB port for portable audio players and flash drives (MTP/MSC)
iPod/iPhone compatibility with optional YDS-12 Universal Dock
iPod song titles displayed in English and Western European languages
Wireless connection for iPod/iPhone with optional YID-W10
Bluetooth (A2DP) compatibility with optional Yamaha Bluetooth Wireless Audio Receiver YBA-10
Auto power down function with variable time setting
HD Audio decoding with CINEMA DSP 3D (23 DSP programmes)
Compressed Music Enhancer with CINEMA DSP
CINEMA DSP 3D, expandable to 11.2 channels (with front and rear presence speakers) by adding an external amp
Virtual Presence Speaker function for CINEMA DSP 3D without Front Presence Speakers
Channel expandability with external amplifier (11-channel expandability (bi-amping))
Adaptive DRC (Dynamic Range Control) and Adaptive DSP Level
Dialogue Lift
Zone 2/Zone 3/Zone 4 on/off and control on front panel
Zone GUI (song/station select, album cover art display, zone tone controls/Zone balance, short message)
Zone video assign (Zone 2/Zone 3/Zone 4)
System Backup / Recovery function
Multi-channel output in main zone plus 2-channel HDMI output in a second zone
Zone MONO, Zone volume and tone controls
Party mode

these are just the major stated features , you would be surprized to know that a major con that has been stated for this model is that its got too many features to explore which may confuse an audiophile

now here are the video processing results

Yamaha RX-A3000 Aventage Video Bench Test Results &mdash; Reviews and News from Audioholics

audio power amp tests (3067 vs emotiva upa 7)
Yamaha RX-A3000 Aventage Measurement and Analysis (Power Tests) &mdash; Reviews and News from Audioholics

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could have as well dumped the instruction manual and brochure mate ! sure hope u get to use all of these )

mpw

 

[aminder]

@mpw
i have posted all the features as stated by the yamaha corp , because you never know what specific feature can be of use for a specific buyer and also i think all intelligent buyers always go through the user manual and brochures of the products before buying them and thats why companies have the user manuals for their products on their websites.