NMyTree you are entitled to your opinion and so do I. Personally I have had the C605 and C803 on demo for over a week in the same room where I had the E855 which was my previous set of speakers. The entire chain of electronics was exactly the same - a Citypulse DA7.2x dac, Lyrita Audio Tube pre and a McCormack DNA125 power. To my ears, the E855 sounded far more musically involving, natural and detailed. The C605 sounded muddy in comparison. The C803 was better but not that much better than the E855. Finally I ended up with my current speaker which was leagues better than the C803 and ended up selling the E855 right here on this forum.
I have no bias against Jamos. Some of their older speakers were extremely good - especially the D870. I still have a pair of E700 bookshelves in my bedroom and I like them quite a bit. I'd suggest you try and listen to their older range before forming opinions. I'm pretty much certain you'll not feel the same as what you feel now. I'm also curious as to what your basis for comparison is to the C605? What else have you tried before giving your opinion?
As I stated earlier in this thread, I currently own and have the Jamo C603, C607, C803, C807, C809 in four different systems in my home. (Master bedroom, Office, Living Room 2 channel/HT system and Family Room).
I have never heard any of these speakers sound muddy. In fact, muddy would never be the adjective I would use to describe any of these speakers.
I have heard and spent significant time with the E870, E855 and D870.
The D870 is an unfair comparison to any of the C60 Series speakers, because the D870 was a much more expensive speaker pair.
Nothing in the C60 Series is anywhere near the cost, to what the D870 cost. The D870 was a special speaker and utilized some very well-known, high quality drivers. As well as a very expensive and thick cabinet.
But the Jamo C807 and C809 absolutely do compete with the D870; at a slightly lower cost. Listen, like I said....the D870 was a special speaker. But let's not exaggerate the D870. The C807 and C809 are right there with the D870.
And anyone who has lived with the C807 or C809 and had significant experience withe the D870; knows there's really not much of a difference in terms of sound quality. The real difference is the D870 has a slightly different voicing.
Now, you're comparing the C605 with the E855 (both floorstanding speakers). Which I guess is a close comparison. The C605 is the weak link of the C60 Series and it's still a good sounding speaker for the money.
The C607 is much better at depth of detail and delivering a much more three demensional texture and timbre to the instruments, than the E855. And the C607 is so much more musically sweeter. Sorry, I've heard both. Maybe it's the components that you have in the chain, that don't go well with the C605. But you've never heard the C607. So you can't comment on the C607.
The C803 is a bookshelf speaker and the E855 is a floorstander. Yet you admit that the C803 is a little better than the E855. That was what you said.
So if you admit the C803 (a bookshelf speaker) is a little better than the E855 (a floorstander): how could the C803 be murky, unnatural, undetailed and musically uninvolving, if it's better than the natural sounding, detailed and musically involving E855 (which is how you described the E855)? And the E855 is a floorstander speaker, while C803 is a bookshelf speaker. Hello, you are contradicting yourself.
Furthermore, does it not stand to reason that the C807 and C809 are in fact much, much better than the E855?
Again, after more than a year of living with the C607 and C603; I would never describe them as muddy sounding. Muddy applies to speakers like the Wharfedale Diamon 8 Series. Now, those are a little muddy sounding.
My problem here is this.............
I kinda agree with soundofmusic here... the newer jamos are mostly mass market speakers. Not that great.
The older D series and the higher end of the E series (E7//E8) were nice musical speakers though not the last word in detail. The current ones are pretty crappy in just about everything. I have an older E855 but I'd not buy any of the newer ones.
You ( and this guy "soundofmusic" ) made some very general, all encompassing negative comments about all of Jamo's current speakers and speaker series.
Yet, you really have only had experience with the C605 (allegedly). And you claim you have experience with the C803, but you contradict yourself in your descriptions and comparisons. So your comments regarding the C803 are suspect and suspicious.
And even if you truely had experience with the C605 and C803. How could you possibly make such a generalized criticism of all of Jamo's speakers, if your intentions are to be fair and honest; when you have only heard two of their current models?
I'd like to see what your response will be to my questions.
soundofmusic didn't even take the time to offer any evidence to support his comments. But he did immediately suggest monitor audio , mission , Dali , Energy speakers. A nd claimed they are easier to power, than all of Jamo speakers. Which of course, is not even remotely true. Not even close.
As for what I have compared to all the Jamo speakers I have. here's a few......
Vienna Acoustic Mozart Grand
Vienna Acoustics Baby Bethoveen Grand
Polk Audio RTi A9
Polk Audio RTi A7
Polk Audio RTi A5
Wharfedale Evolution 30
Wharfedale Evolution 40
Wharfedale Opus 2
Castle Acoustics Warwick 3 (the original and real Castle Acoustics Warwick 3, not the IAG reincarnation products)
Paradigm Monitor 9v4
Paradigm Studio 100 v4
Just to name a few. There's actually more.