Question for power users of Roon

I had a few questions for people who have extensively used it or understand it very well.

1. What are the top 3 reasons why you chose Roon ?

2. Does it help fix metadata ? What happens if your files are in wave format ? Do you need to convert to Flac before it can fix metadata ?

3. Does this work alongside other music players ? Example, audirvana, foobar or even apps that come with standalone players like auralic ?
1. The user interface, ability to handle large libraries with ease & excellent tidal/qobuz integration & many more (multi room, DSP etc.)

2. a) Yes, it fixes metadata; it gives you an option to apply newly fetched data or keep the existing one or you can enter manually. Extensive options are available.

b) I have not faced any problem with wav files.

c) Nope... I have tried .aiff, .alac, .flac, .wav, .dsf etc. without any problem. In case, if I the ripped CD lacks metadata I use Yate app on my iMac to manually add metadata. https://2manyrobots.com/yate/ or one can use XLD ripper for Mac as well which rips & allows metadata editing.

3. I have only used Audirvana & Roon. If Roon has exclusive access or already running & locked into dac/Streamer then Audirvana won't show that device. In order to play music into same device one has to quit either application. This is what I have observed in past 3years. Now, I am not using Audirvana at all.

Let me know if you have any queries.

Regards
Nitish
 
2. a) Yes, it fixes metadata; it gives you an option to apply newly fetched data or keep the existing one or you can enter manually. Extensive options are available.
I have had a different experience. It does not, at least for me, make any changes to the actual metadata on the audio file. It does however store your choice of metadata ( from the file or roon database or any combination) In a database on the roon core. Is that would you mean? Or is there something that I have missed and yes Roon can be used to edit the actual file meta data. If so, there are times that it could be useful. So do you could share how that is done, I would be grateful.
 
I have had a different experience. It does not, at least for me, make any changes to the actual metadata on the audio file. It does however store your choice of metadata ( from the file or roon database or any combination) In a database on the roon core. Is that would you mean? Or is there something that I have missed and yes Roon can be used to edit the actual file meta data. If so, there are times that it could be useful. So do you could share how that is done, I would be grateful.
I mean in the roon database. The original metadata in the file is not modified. The metadata problem arises with few CDs(esp. Indian music). Rest of the CD (English music) are working fine.
Btw do you have any problem in tagging/metadata ?
 
I mean in the roon database. The original metadata in the file is not modified. The metadata problem arises with few CDs(esp. Indian music). Rest of the CD (English music) are working fine.
Btw do you have any problem in tagging/metadata ?
thanks, that’s my experience too. I think the way I read your previous post was different.

No significant trouble on basic metadata, but Roon gives a lot of other info such as composer, track artist etc, which is not always present in the other players I have (foo bar and jriver). Do you have any recommendations for an Uber tagged for PC?
 
thanks, that’s my experience too. I think the way I read your previous post was different.

No significant trouble on basic metadata, but Roon gives a lot of other info such as composer, track artist etc, which is not always present in the other players I have (foo bar and jriver). Do you have any recommendations for an Uber tagged for PC?
Try musicbrainz Picard .... https://picard.musicbrainz.org/
 
I had a few questions for people who have extensively used it or understand it very well.

1. What are the top 3 reasons why you chose Roon ?

2. Does it help fix metadata ? What happens if your files are in wave format ? Do you need to convert to Flac before it can fix metadata ?

3. Does this work alongside other music players ? Example, audirvana, foobar or even apps that come with standalone players like auralic ?

I guess Iam going to be the spanner in the works here. Iam sorry for that. But as a roon user for 3 years now, who is just dumping the entire SET up, and looking for a streamer that does it all. I have my reasons. A digital chain is a complete mind bugger all the time. Too much of faff, and so many areas the reviewers would like you to have believe that there is improvement you are missing on.

Ethernet regen or exotic lan switch.
Cat8 Ethernet cables that supposedly make another world of difference.
Lpsu for running the NUC and roon end point too..by the way did I forget mentioning the NAS, which needs to run on a LPSU for optimal sound quality. Too much faff that plants more doubts in your mind , than let you enjoy the music in my opinion. So Iam off this train completely. Just my 2.cents
 
I guess Iam going to be the spanner in the works here. Iam sorry for that. But as a roon user for 3 years now, who is just dumping the entire SET up, and looking for a streamer that does it all. I have my reasons. A digital chain is a complete mind bugger all the time. Too much of faff, and so many areas the reviewers would like you to have believe that there is improvement you are missing on.

Ethernet regen or exotic lan switch.
Cat8 Ethernet cables that supposedly make another world of difference.
Lpsu for running the NUC and roon end point too..by the way did I forget mentioning the NAS, which needs to run on a LPSU for optimal sound quality. Too much faff that plants more doubts in your mind , than let you enjoy the music in my opinion. So Iam off this train completely. Just my 2.cents

perhaps the advice you got is making you overthinking this. :). I definitely don’t think that anything justifies specialised power beyond a Competent psu for the core. Ditto switches and cables StandardCAT6 and a gigabit backbone is more than enough. Sure that endpoint and connected DAC might benefit from an LPSU as would any standalone DAC or streamer.

where did you get input that you need cat8 cables and bespoke ethernet switches? At least the Roon community board seemed fairly practical about here things. As a method of getting digitised music between 2 points, I have found Roon to be transparent using standard computer equipment. Changes that you make to the convertor and downstream is what will make the difference. Of course, If you are using Only one endpoint, I think you are right, there may be better and cheaper options out ther.
 
I had a few questions for people who have extensively used it or understand it very well.

1. What are the top 3 reasons why you chose Roon ?

2. Does it help fix metadata ? What happens if your files are in wave format ? Do you need to convert to Flac before it can fix metadata ?

3. Does this work alongside other music players ? Example, audirvana, foobar or even apps that come with standalone players like auralic ?

I guess Iam going to be the spanner in the works here. Iam sorry for that. But as a roon user for 3 years now, who is just dumping the entire SET up, and looking for a streamer that does it all. I have my reasons. A digital chain is a complete mind bugger all the time. Too much of faff, and so many areas the reviewers would like you to have believe that there is improvement you are missing on.

Ethernet regen or exotic lan switch.
Cat8 Ethernet cables that supposedly make another world of difference.
Lpsu for running the NUC and roon end point too..by the way did I forget mentioning the NAS, which needs to run on a LPSU for optimal sound quality. Too much faff that plants more doubts in your mind , than let you enjoy the music in my opinion. So Iam off this train completely. Just my 2.cents
perhaps the advice you got is making you overthinking this. :). I definitely don’t think that anything justifies specialised power beyond a Competent psu for the core. Ditto switches and cables StandardCAT6 and a gigabit backbone is more than enough. Sure that endpoint and connected DAC might benefit from an LPSU as would any standalone DAC or streamer.

where did you get input that you need cat8 cables and bespoke ethernet switches? At least the Roon community board seemed fairly practical about here things. As a method of getting digitised music between 2 points, I have found Roon to be transparent using standard computer equipment. Changes that you make to the convertor and downstream is what will make the difference. Of course, If you are using Only one endpoint, I think you are right, there may be better and cheaper options out ther.

Hi kapvin :)

I under stand your point. And thanks for reaching out to me. But everything I mentioned above is true, as I found in my system. Every addition of better power supplies has made a difference. And the biggest being for the network switch. I will admit I haven't tried a LPSU on my Intel nuc, which is my roon core, as I couldn't find a 19v /4A LPSU so far. Been looking for a hdplex LPSU for some time now.

Till I realized, that I suddenly had too many boxes and too many power supplies to run a chain , which was ideally designed for local library playback, which I was not using much. As Iam streaming most of the time. So I guess Iam right in saying that roon is not for folks like me.. of course if some one has a huge ripped library then maybe it makes sense as a library management tool. For absolute sound quality, audirvana pips roon every day..so folks with huge libraries, run twin pc setups. One running roon as a media server. And the other running hq player for sound quality. But anyways...All this I feel is too much of a faff for me. So I've decided to resign. It's my personal thing, nothing against any single system as such .Fondly hope yoy under stand my friend. And by the way...cat8 Ethernet cables do make a difference :D
 
I guess Iam going to be the spanner in the works here. Iam sorry for that. But as a roon user for 3 years now, who is just dumping the entire SET up, and looking for a streamer that does it all. I have my reasons. A digital chain is a complete mind bugger all the time. Too much of faff, and so many areas the reviewers would like you to have believe that there is improvement you are missing on.

Ethernet regen or exotic lan switch.
Cat8 Ethernet cables that supposedly make another world of difference.
Lpsu for running the NUC and roon end point too..by the way did I forget mentioning the NAS, which needs to run on a LPSU for optimal sound quality. Too much faff that plants more doubts in your mind , than let you enjoy the music in my opinion. So Iam off this train completely. Just my 2.cents


Hi kapvin :)

I under stand your point. And thanks for reaching out to me. But everything I mentioned above is true, as I found in my system. Every addition of better power supplies has made a difference. And the biggest being for the network switch. I will admit I haven't tried a LPSU on my Intel nuc, which is my roon core, as I couldn't find a 19v /4A LPSU so far. Been looking for a hdplex LPSU for some time now.

Till I realized, that I suddenly had too many boxes and too many power supplies to run a chain , which was ideally designed for local library playback, which I was not using much. As Iam streaming most of the time. So I guess Iam right in saying that roon is not for folks like me.. of course if some one has a huge ripped library then maybe it makes sense as a library management tool. For absolute sound quality, audirvana pips roon every day..so folks with huge libraries, run twin pc setups. One running roon as a media server. And the other running hq player for sound quality. But anyways...All this I feel is too much of a faff for me. So I've decided to resign. It's my personal thing, nothing against any single system as such .Fondly hope yoy under stand my friend. And by the way...cat8 Ethernet cables do make a difference :D
I appreciate your view. Finally for audio, it was to be what makes a difference to you. :). Happy listening.
 
I appreciate your view. And in all honesty, I haven’t tried cat8 or an LPSu for my NUC. So I have no way of saying that it will make a difference in a regular use.

Finally for audio, it was to be what makes a difference to you. :). Happy listening.
 
As a rejoinder to newlash
I guess Iam going to be the spanner in the works here. Iam sorry for that. But as a roon user for 3 years now, who is just dumping the entire SET up, and looking for a streamer that does it all. I have my reasons. A digital chain is a complete mind bugger all the time. Too much of faff, and so many areas the reviewers would like you to have believe that there is improvement you are missing on.

Ethernet regen or exotic lan switch.
Cat8 Ethernet cables that supposedly make another world of difference.
Lpsu for running the NUC and roon end point too..by the way did I forget mentioning the NAS, which needs to run on a LPSU for optimal sound quality. Too much faff that plants more doubts in your mind , than let you enjoy the music in my opinion. So Iam off this train completely. Just my 2.cents


Hi kapvin :)

I under stand your point. And thanks for reaching out to me. But everything I mentioned above is true, as I found in my system. Every addition of better power supplies has made a difference. And the biggest being for the network switch. I will admit I haven't tried a LPSU on my Intel nuc, which is my roon core, as I couldn't find a 19v /4A LPSU so far. Been looking for a hdplex LPSU for some time now.

Till I realized, that I suddenly had too many boxes and too many power supplies to run a chain , which was ideally designed for local library playback, which I was not using much. As Iam streaming most of the time. So I guess Iam right in saying that roon is not for folks like me.. of course if some one has a huge ripped library then maybe it makes sense as a library management tool. For absolute sound quality, audirvana pips roon every day..so folks with huge libraries, run twin pc setups. One running roon as a media server. And the other running hq player for sound quality. But anyways...All this I feel is too much of a faff for me. So I've decided to resign. It's my personal thing, nothing against any single system as such .Fondly hope yoy under stand my friend. And by the way...cat8 Ethernet cables do make a difference :D

I went from Roon to Audirvana, now back to Roon.

Audirvana was just too buggy for me. Crashing all the time, and tidal integration was terrible.

The straw that broke the camel's back was when it was playing Tidal, and when tidal suddenly dropped out, instead of gracefully pausing, it began emitting high volume white noise causing me to panic about blowing my speakers/tweeters or something.

About an year ago, Audirvana SQ was way ahead of Roon, when I compared last week, it was very similar, seems like Roon has caught up in that area.

Roon UX is so good, with Audirvana remote I was struggling to build playlists, listen to songs, find songs etc etc. And the most stupid thing ever, Tidal playlists and Local file playlist are separate. It's just so third-rate the UX.

If they only hire one decent UX guy in their Audirvana would be leagues ahead, oh well!

Now back to Roon and having to cough up another 120$ for a year (and losing the $120 I paid 2 years ago) and also the permanent membership has gone upto $700 from $500. Bloody hell. This hobby is for OCD masochists wanting to empty their bank accounts. sigh!
 
As a rejoinder to newlash


I went from Roon to Audirvana, now back to Roon.

Audirvana was just too buggy for me. Crashing all the time, and tidal integration was terrible.

The straw that broke the camel's back was when it was playing Tidal, and when tidal suddenly dropped out, instead of gracefully pausing, it began emitting high volume white noise causing me to panic about blowing my speakers/tweeters or something.

About an year ago, Audirvana SQ was way ahead of Roon, when I compared last week, it was very similar, seems like Roon has caught up in that area.

Roon UX is so good, with Audirvana remote I was struggling to build playlists, listen to songs, find songs etc etc. And the most stupid thing ever, Tidal playlists and Local file playlist are separate. It's just so third-rate the UX.

If they only hire one decent UX guy in their Audirvana would be leagues ahead, oh well!

Now back to Roon and having to cough up another 120$ for a year (and losing the $120 I paid 2 years ago) and also the permanent membership has gone upto $700 from $500. Bloody hell. This hobby is for OCD masochists wanting to empty their bank accounts. sigh!

Thanks for the informative post above...and I was just about to try audirvana :D

Haven't bothered with either so far...just enjoying CCA for what ever convinience it offers. But will start getting serious by the end of this month. Once I've managed to tie a lot of loose threads in my setup.

If audirvana is buggy as compared to roon, which was very good and smooth, I will probably sell of everything go have and go for a digital streamer with a app. But Iam too tired to stick up with Intel Nuc's and mac mini's in my audio chain. That is definite :D
 
Thanks for the informative post above...and I was just about to try audirvana :D

Haven't bothered with either so far...just enjoying CCA for what ever convinience it offers. But will start getting serious by the end of this month. Once I've managed to tie a lot of loose threads in my setup.

If audirvana is buggy as compared to roon, which was very good and smooth, I will probably sell of everything go have and go for a digital streamer with a app. But Iam too tired to stick up with Intel Nuc's and mac mini's in my audio chain. That is definite :D
Loose threads?
Your home is the proverbial loom :D
Lots of threads there. You can weave stories

Cheers,
Raghu
 
I use both Audirvana and Roon. Roon gives me an eye pleasure of seeing all the metadata of my albums together also it is great for a central integration as a music source for all my devices.. I have found Audirvana directly connected from the mac to the dac to be slightly superior.. Roon basically acts as a great music manager. It definitely fixes your metadata but ofcourse the source tags should be accurate.. even if the tags are not you get option to change the album tags via manual search.
 
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