Stereo bookshelf speakers under Rs.15-30k
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theredcommando
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Like to add my own case here.
I too, was looking for good speakers, had finalized Edifier S530, but order did not went through. From OP experience it seems like I was lucky not having them.
Now I have CA S30 speakers and TP2020 amp. I have this combo for last 1 week.
About audio quality, I am planning to right some newbie review soon, but here I will put some information.
I was not blown away by this combination, may be my expectation was too high. This combo does not seem to be bad but I did not feel blown away either.
These speakers are smaller in size and hence are easier to place and would not intrude into the decor. Bass, for me is somewhat on higher side. So for example on even some melodious and soft songs you feel bass notes, which are kind of intruding into the total(for example Raabata song from Agent Vinod). But, I have started to appreciate it now. As mentioned by many FM, sound seems "full bodied" than usual thin sounding speakers. Other speakers now sound hollow and thin.
Detail and clarity is sufficient, but headphone gives much better details and can easily expose even minutest of detail. IMO these speakers are no match for detail and are way behind my sennheiser HD 280 pro headphones. I think its not fair to compare headphones and speakers, though.
But I should mention that other genre of music like classical, instrumental, vocal sounds very good(to some extent impressive). Western pop, metal is not that impressive.
Note that, I am not an expert, still experimenting with these speakers. And perhaps, most important, I do not have dedicated DAC or soundcard. Most of the testing was with 320kbps MP3 files.
I miss the rumbling low bass that I would have had from Edifier S530. But I dont know if its good or bad. These speaker just give the feeling that they are better breed than usual speakers(for example JBL car speakers). But for me the difference was not day and night.
Hope this helps to make you decide further.
I too, was looking for good speakers, had finalized Edifier S530, but order did not went through. From OP experience it seems like I was lucky not having them.
Now I have CA S30 speakers and TP2020 amp. I have this combo for last 1 week.
About audio quality, I am planning to right some newbie review soon, but here I will put some information.
I was not blown away by this combination, may be my expectation was too high. This combo does not seem to be bad but I did not feel blown away either.
These speakers are smaller in size and hence are easier to place and would not intrude into the decor. Bass, for me is somewhat on higher side. So for example on even some melodious and soft songs you feel bass notes, which are kind of intruding into the total(for example Raabata song from Agent Vinod). But, I have started to appreciate it now. As mentioned by many FM, sound seems "full bodied" than usual thin sounding speakers. Other speakers now sound hollow and thin.
Detail and clarity is sufficient, but headphone gives much better details and can easily expose even minutest of detail. IMO these speakers are no match for detail and are way behind my sennheiser HD 280 pro headphones. I think its not fair to compare headphones and speakers, though.
But I should mention that other genre of music like classical, instrumental, vocal sounds very good(to some extent impressive). Western pop, metal is not that impressive.
Note that, I am not an expert, still experimenting with these speakers. And perhaps, most important, I do not have dedicated DAC or soundcard. Most of the testing was with 320kbps MP3 files.
I miss the rumbling low bass that I would have had from Edifier S530. But I dont know if its good or bad. These speaker just give the feeling that they are better breed than usual speakers(for example JBL car speakers). But for me the difference was not day and night.
Hope this helps to make you decide further.
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aashish351
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I would not suggest this pairing, although it may sound nice. An amp always performs better under stress-free conditions. 86dB at 6 ohm is a lot of stress for this small wonder. My advice would be to go for a CA AM5 or AM10, Advance Acoustic MP101, Norge 2060, Marantz PM5004 for doing justice to the speakers.
aashish351
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Fostex is the most popular one which comes to mind... although there are many more. just search 'Full Range Driver' and 'Single Driver Speakers' and you will find loads to information about them.
spirovious
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AM5 is good amp even though its 25w.It can drive a speaker of 87+ sensitivity well.You need good source to get enough Bass for small room.
Interesting observations indeed. Since you find even the CA S30's bass to be intrusive at times, I feel you are better off without the Edifier. If you need rumbling bass for movies/games, get a cheaper dedicated 2.1 for that.
Also, I honestly feel you need to get a dedicated DAC/soundcard. I have tried creative before, but M-Audio soundcard offers a very natural and non-fatiguing sound IMHO. Or maybe a good USB-based DAC.
For music, I find it interesting that you have used your headphones as a reference. I think this approach would be useful for someone looking for a reference while doing a DIY speaker project. I could be wrong tho.
Right now, I have a lot of ideas floating in my head. Full-range drivers, DIY (special thanks to aashish351 and kittu), but I need to start auditioning this weekend before I get any further.
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jaudere
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If the bass is intruding for such a small speaker like CA s30, then most probably it is not too much bass but bass at wrong frequency. You are probably getting a boom there which is prominent at around 100-150 Hz and you may be still missing the low bass.
The details given by headphones are difficult to achieve with speakers.
The details given by headphones are difficult to achieve with speakers.
abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
@theredcommando
I guess you should have purchased Swans M200MK2, HFV's people don't talk about this speakers much and I don't know the reason behind this. This speaker is one of the BEST under 20k.
Here's a review of one of the member:
2.1 Setup for PC - Page 4
I guess you should have purchased Swans M200MK2, HFV's people don't talk about this speakers much and I don't know the reason behind this. This speaker is one of the BEST under 20k.
Here's a review of one of the member:
2.1 Setup for PC - Page 4
theredcommando
New Member
@jaudere
Yep, I also feel that its mostly room response.
Bass amount is not large, but as mentioned on some soft and melodious songs, its like nothing heard before and hence I might be finding it awkward.
Headphone has very precise bass, which fades almost instantly. My car speakers are similar, there is bass but soft song remains soft even if there is drum, percussion in it(but now I sometimes think that they sound thin
compared to S30). Whereas in case of S30 drum, percussion stands out too along with voice. May be I am not used to this kind of sound. And it aggravated by room response.
But note that, many people have mentioned that S30 can produce more bass than their size suggests. So I am not off the mark completely here.
Metal, rock easily becomes noisy on speakers and headphones alike. But vocal are smooth(and I cant stop appreciating it). Also other interesting thing is, just by listening to recording you can make out where the recording was done. So for example, if you listen to some youtube live video, you can easily tell if its recorded in a room, on stage, open air, small hall etc. I think its a great achievement and thumbs up to these speakers for that!
Yep, I also feel that its mostly room response.
Bass amount is not large, but as mentioned on some soft and melodious songs, its like nothing heard before and hence I might be finding it awkward.
Headphone has very precise bass, which fades almost instantly. My car speakers are similar, there is bass but soft song remains soft even if there is drum, percussion in it(but now I sometimes think that they sound thin
compared to S30). Whereas in case of S30 drum, percussion stands out too along with voice. May be I am not used to this kind of sound. And it aggravated by room response.But note that, many people have mentioned that S30 can produce more bass than their size suggests. So I am not off the mark completely here.
Metal, rock easily becomes noisy on speakers and headphones alike. But vocal are smooth(and I cant stop appreciating it). Also other interesting thing is, just by listening to recording you can make out where the recording was done. So for example, if you listen to some youtube live video, you can easily tell if its recorded in a room, on stage, open air, small hall etc. I think its a great achievement and thumbs up to these speakers for that!
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theredcommando
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@abhi_jollyguy
But M200 is way out of budget compared to 9.5k of S30 and 3.5k of T2020 amp. Also small size was somewhat important for me. I too think that Swans M200 one of the best but have never heard them(and not many reviews either). Wish I had some means to audition them.
But M200 is way out of budget compared to 9.5k of S30 and 3.5k of T2020 amp. Also small size was somewhat important for me. I too think that Swans M200 one of the best but have never heard them(and not many reviews either). Wish I had some means to audition them.
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abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
There are 8 reviews for this speaker and I guess 8 reviews are enough to judge it's potential and all the 8 reviews are positive.
Subha15011976
Active Member
Re: Yet Another Budget Bookshelf Quest (Rs.15-30k)
Hai mate, U can try with Krk's 2.0 active monitor speaker "Rokit 5 G2" (Pair). Costs Rs. 28k (pair) at Sudeepaudio.com. Cheak out the link
Sudeep Audio: KRK Systems products in India
Hai mate, U can try with Krk's 2.0 active monitor speaker "Rokit 5 G2" (Pair). Costs Rs. 28k (pair) at Sudeepaudio.com. Cheak out the link
Sudeep Audio: KRK Systems products in India
@theredcommando: Mate, I guess it's time we met up. How does tomorrow work for you? I really want to give the S30 another listen albeit with better source and amplification. Also let's try and give the topping a fair chance to perform with a better source.
As jaudere pointed out its very likely room response and/or some hump around 100-150 mark which is irritating could be a bad speaker too (I recently had a distorting PSB Image B4 at precisely 310-330 and nowhere else) it took us a while to figure out what precisely was issue and some test tracks at various frequencies helped nailed the issue. Or it could be the amp as well. You can probably try the trick (I forgot exactly what that was) Omishra and jaudere recommended to someone.
As jaudere pointed out its very likely room response and/or some hump around 100-150 mark which is irritating could be a bad speaker too (I recently had a distorting PSB Image B4 at precisely 310-330 and nowhere else) it took us a while to figure out what precisely was issue and some test tracks at various frequencies helped nailed the issue. Or it could be the amp as well. You can probably try the trick (I forgot exactly what that was) Omishra and jaudere recommended to someone.
Re: Yet Another Budget Bookshelf Quest (Rs.15-30k)
Thx for the recommendation. Does anyone know where I could possibly listen to it in Bangalore?
Thx for the recommendation. Does anyone know where I could possibly listen to it in Bangalore?
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iaudio
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abhi_jollyguy, Dont you deal in Swan speakers( hifinage right?)? Why dont you arrange an audition for some HFV members. That will finally get the Swan speakers the recognition they deserve.
abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
Unfortunately, we cannot offer audition of Swans speakers at the moment but we are planning to do so in near future as it has been only few months we started dealing in swans speakers and we are also getting renowned portable audio at hifinage.
Abhi, the problem is unless some forum members have actually heard the equipment in question, it becomes really difficult to recommend the equipment. You being the importer/dealer of the same brand naturally puts prospective buyers into dilemma about how far to believe in your words. It's none of your or the buyers' fault, its just how human psyche works.
A lot of old forum members here and on TE know you and your audio journey and hence are comfortable looking at your "product push", however it may look like pimping the wares someone who is new here. (Sincere feedback from a personal discussion with someone following a thread on TE).
I understand it would be tough for someone just starting out to provide demo equipment in all parts of ridiculously large geography as ours. However, if you could request your current buyers to accommodate a short listen to fellow FMs in that city things "might" work out a bit.
Alternately if you are serious about your business with Swan you can try visiting the major cities and holding Demos for a day where FMs could come and appreciate the equipment. Knowing this forum and community I am sure at most of the places people would love to host you and other FMs coming to listen to your gear.
Please give it a serious thought.
abhi_jollyguy
Active Member
Thank you for your understanding
It's true that it is really difficult to provide demo to many users of different cities. We wish if we could accommodate our current buyers to provide demo to FM's of HFV but to do this, we need to call them and force them which we really cannot do forcefully. If we say him that kindly provide demo of your speaker set to these guys as they are from this forum so they may think that why are we saying him to do so, who are those guys and all. So it all comes to their privacy and we are bound here not to disclose anyone's privacy. We are definitely serious about our business and carrying each and every model of Swans speaker to different cities is nearly impossible. These speakers are big and huge(bookshelves). They are very heavy and we need to pay courier charges even when these speaker are not sold to anyone.
What we can do is to provide in-home audition with an 15% restocking fee if there are some signs of wear and abuse. But this option will take some time.
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