5.1 Setup for Rs 50000 - 70000

Hey Naren,

I will surely give Super Cube-III a thought.

HSU: Any dealers in India? I have made up my mind. No thoughts before auditioning. Its actually all depends on what your ears like. BTW, is your room or HT Acoustically treated?
 
Akhil,

Thanks for sharing that, try to audition Deftech Mythos Gems these are bookshelves not floor standers but just them then a listen. I have liked them and they did give the cinema like experiance, they are definitely better than Q- Acoustics as well. They cost approx 65k for 5.0 but there may be some discount with negotiating.

For Sub - Try Deftech super cube III with above combi or you can even try with your psb combi. I think you will like it. I tried this on while audition and i was watching Air Force one, it was just very powerful and tight. this one costs approx 45K (without negotiating )

Guess I should also audition PSB and Dali probably next week or so...

Kriti / Akhil
Do keep posting your reviews about the new demos :-)

I'd be looking forward to your impressions on the PSB & Dali.... i guess you'd be trying Boomerang for the Dali setup... while you are there have a listen to the MA BX2 5.1 setup and let us know what you feel about the same.... :)

Hi Naren,

Its difficult to get the demo of Deftech Mythos Gems here in Delhi. I dont know any of the dealer has this setup. If Kirti has auditioned it, may be he can share the information to me of the dealer and I will go for the demo.

The reason of me buying Floorstands is for the music purpose. I will listen to music also on these Floorstands. Otherwise my bedroom size is small and Bookshelves will be enuff for the 5.1 setup.

Super Cube-III is out of my budget. I have a budget of 35k for sub. :(

Day after tomorrow I am going for Wharfedale, AAD and QUAD auditioning. Will share my experience here. Yes, you get the demo of Dali n PSB and share the experience.. :)

not heard the deftechs... and i got no clue who's the dealer in delhi but i have space for bookshelves so i'd probably not be very keen about satellites.... but if they are good then why not... never say never... :)

Hey Naren,

Yes it wud be very nice if we three were together. But anyway we r here in HiFiVision so we can exchange our views. :-)

Guys, I'm totally confused in sub. Have you both bought the sub already? I am not able to find a good sub which can shake my bedroom. The bass should be tight n should be able to give hard punch. My budget for sub is 35k. Anyone auditioned Earthquake subs? Are they good?

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akhil,

i'd like to share with you my journey on the sub purchase...

http://www.hifivision.com/speakers/13350-subwoofer-between-20k-50k.html

innitially i was looking at the wharfadale sw150 but at that time my budget for the 5.0 setup was 50-70 as the this thread title suggests....

Currently i'm using a Yamaha NSP 110 Satellite 5.1 + Yamaha RX V450 AVR which bought 5 yrs ago from vijay sales. I wasn't very passionate about movies back then and more over didn't know much about wharf, MA, B&W or any of these other brands. Home theater to me meant htib found in these electronics showrooms.

As my passion for movies grew i started reading magazines and and websites and discovered these other specialist hifi brands. So i set a budget of 50-70k to upgrade my HT setup....

i went ahead & listened to wharfedale 10.1 based 5.1 , Mourdaunt Short Aviano 1 based 5.1, Q acoustics 2010 based 5.1 setups and realized that as good as they are they were not good enough to give me the quantum jump in sound that i was looking over my yamaha nsp - 110.

There was only on thing to do... double the budget. Doing so for speakers made me realize that i'd have to do the same for the sub. Initially i thought a sub is just a sub.... make boom boom sound... :) as i researched more and understood more and demoed better subs than what i had at home i realized a subwoofer is the most important component which can break or make a good movie experience specially if you are into action movies .. infact any if not most movies.... :)

Now you said you want the sub to shake your bedroom :) that's good. If most of the movies you want to see have a good amounts of bass you'll need a sub which not only goes loud but also goes low... You need a sub which can gracefully without strain go below 20 hz comfortably.... And from all my research i couldn't find any sub below 50k that can make this happen in a beautiful manner.

You said your budget if 35k for the sub. Here's my advise...

1. Buy a sub from a subwoofer specialist manufacturer and speakers from a... you guessed it right.. a speaker manufaturer..

2. In all my research only 2 names kept coming up... SVS & HSU.

3. Audire in coimbatore is dealer for both and they have a 10% off of eventual sale price and free shipping for the first 100 SVS customers in india.

4. My recommendation would be to save up a bit more and get the PC12 NSD at 55.8k. This may hold you up for a while but patience pays.... :) If you can't really stretch to the PC12 NSD then look at the SB12 NSD at 46.8k

5. I would even go as far as to say that you could reduce your budget for the 5.0 and increase it for the subwoofer.

6. You also said you want towers as you will be using your fronts also for just stereo. I would say for the price of a tower you can get a bookshelves of the next step-up range then it's better to go for the bookshelves. You are anyways planning on getting a excellent subwoofer. It's best to use the subwoofer not just with movies but also with music as a 2.1 setup. Use the sub's potential for both movies and music. There's no sorrow in using a Bookshelves + sub combo... infact there is "Great Joy" in it as a lot of members here will agree..... :)

You don't want to have upgraditis for a while. So it's best to space out your purchases even if it means that it's gonna take a little longer than you thought to have that dream HT setup.... :)
 
Hi Akhil,

HSU: Any dealers in India? (I think Audire deals in HSU subs but probably not in the speaker sets )I have made up my mind. No thoughts before auditioning.(even I wont buy anything without auditioning however i may buy my sub purely on reviews :-) ) Its actually all depends on what your ears like. BTW, is your room or HT Acoustically treated? ( Its gonna be my living room and its not acoustically treated)

Did you audtion any new speakers ? how did you find them?

Regards,
Naren
 
Akhil,

Thanks for sharing that, try to audition Deftech Mythos Gems these are bookshelves not floor standers but just them then a listen. I have liked them and they did give the cinema like experiance, they are definitely better than Q- Acoustics as well. They cost approx 65k for 5.0 but there may be some discount with negotiating.

For Sub - Try Deftech super cube III with above combi or you can even try with your psb combi. I think you will like it. I tried this on while audition and i was watching Air Force one, it was just very powerful and tight. this one costs approx 45K (without negotiating )

Guess I should also audition PSB and Dali probably next week or so...

Kriti / Akhil
Do keep posting your reviews about the new demos :-)

Hi naren,i want some clarification,i mean what do you mean by Deftech Mythos Gems 5.0 Is it Deftech Mythos Gem 4 each+ mythos seven(centre),if yes from you get the price of 65k as i am very much interested...:)
 
Hi,

I am not sure of which model of the center speaker was used but yes i was given quote of 5.0 system and it had 4 mythos gems.

I am going to most likely re-audition these over the week end again, let me double confirm the prices and let you know.. what price was quoted to you?
 
Hi,

I am not sure of which model of the center speaker was used but yes i was given quote of 5.0 system and it had 4 mythos gems.

I am going to most likely re-audition these over the week end again, let me double confirm the prices and let you know.. what price was quoted to you?

for 5.1 system i have been quoted around 130k,

specifications are:-Deftech Mythos Gem 4 each+ super cube III sub/w + mythos seven(centre) from Anil of audio excellence dealer of deftech i Mumbai via email that includes freight charges also to Asansol,W.B.:)
 
Hi Kirti,

Ashish (Lakozy) is the dealer for Deftech in NCR. He can arrange a demo for u if u want..
About the sub, yea i want a powerful sub and i am looking for one which can go below 20Hz. In my budget i was thinkin of buying Deftech prosub 1000. By the way my bedroom size is 12x11. Do u guys think i need a better sub than that? I can still think of Super Cube-III. But beyond that wud be difficult for me.

Naren,
HSU subs wud be good choice but if u compare to Super Cube-III, which one is cheaper n best? I havent got the auditioning of Super Cube n if i will buy then will be just based on reviews n feedback.

I auditioned Wharfedale, QUAD n Monitor Audio. Went to Bass n Treble yesterday for the auditioning. Wharfedale r very musical speakers. Monitor Audio is very expensive n the sound signature is very different. U need to build ur taste first then u will like them. QUAD speakers r very good. I auditioned bookshelfs n they were really nice. But the only thing is their price is similiar to price of other floorstands. The sound signature was similiar to Wharf. Very clear audio. Monitor on the hand are warm. Soothing. But depends on ur taste...

But in movies Wharf was just ok. Not as good as Dali...

Till now i have zeroed Dali for my fronts n center and can go for Q Acoustics for rear as they r cheaper n good. AVR i already have Denon 1611. :)

Sub lets see if i can go for Super Cube...

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Hi Akhil / Kriti bro,

Auditioned below today:

1) PSB LR ( guess its called PSB Alpha LR )
1)Deftech Pro cinema 800
2) MA MX2 + center and rears of MA Silver PSB LR1


Couldnt audition these

a) PSB Image B series ( may be available next week end or so but the dealer said that i will still like deftech based on his assessment of my taste )

b) Dalli concept were too not available for demo ( the delaer said the MA book shelves or even settelite speakers will be better than Dalli and that he will try to see if he can arrange 5.1 of MA settlites - models he said he will demo whichever will be available)


1) PSB Alpha LR - Dint like the 5.1, it felt like just some 5 speakers and one sub was put together and dint sound like a decent 5.1

2) Deftech Pro cinema 800 - definitely better than PSB alpha LR, and gave a good cinema like experiance that we expect from a 5.1. but they dint sound as good as deftech mythos gem 5.1 secondly, the Pro sub 800 dint sound like a powerful punchy sub and they replaced it with pro sub 1000 which was better in terms of power but dint have the punch that we get from Deftech Super cubte III. I understand they package may not have a good sub but even if we keep that aside for a moment the 5.0 built with mythos gem still seems better to me than this.

3) MA MX2 the dealer dint have the whole 5.0 of MA Bronze only the fronts ( MX2) so gave demo with center and rears of the silver series and some "expensive" MA sub ( forgot to jot down the model #)

I think in a scene or two i flet it was putting some strain on my ears but managable strain, the vocals were "very good" I think the setup was good however the quality may be little differnt / lesser with the bronze rears and center but should still be good

I think MA Bronze is good but may be expensive ( 81.8K for 5.0) and over all somehow i felt the cinema like experiance tha twe expect from 5.1 that was better with Deftech. This could be probably because the fronts and ceter that come with this are good but surrounds arent that great. ( purely my guess)

Keeping price in mind i think deftech mythos gem definitely deserves a second audition and will try for that
 
@ Akhil,

During my auditions today i heard pro sub 800, pro sub 1000, MA some sub cost approx 93K INR. Pro sub 1000 the quote they gave was about 32 INR.

The specs of pro sub 1000 mention that it goes down upto 18 hz however amongst all the above MA was better than other subs tried had the punchy bass however it was still not as good as deftech super cube III.

HSU & SVS - have not heard either of them but have read very good reviews and it is a well regarded brand for subs amongst very senior HFV members and purely based on reviews i think HSU will be better than Deftech super cube III and for movies SVS PC 12 NSD will be better than HSU. Furthermore I dont no have any idea about the price for HSU sub/ subs may be you should contace Audire and check price with them ( and then let me know as well :) )

Also keep in mind that HSU & SVS both have various models ( more so incase of SVS) so they may have something that costs close to the cost of super cube III hence I think you should talk to Audire before you decide on sub and from Kirtis experiance they seem to be helpful and good.
 
@naren..i think deftech mythos 5.1(including supercube III)is growing on you,i liked that set also,so please auditioned them again,and give the details like price and details of the set of 5.0 like centre,front,rear etc.looking fwd to your posts and lets ee how you like PSB 5.1 against mythos as some members already liked PSB over deftechs(not sure about mythos),so dude go on make us all enlighten :)
 
Hi Naren,

PSB Alpha series is the basic one. And Alpha LR are just for a small room. Even i have auditioned them.. Didnt like the audio at all. Too small i would say. PSB Image series is better but expensive. You can try Alpha T1s. They are floorstands.

I have almost made up my mind for Dali Concept 6. They are good for music and movies both and in budget. Lets see if i can bring the price more down. He offered be 36k and he said its the best i can do. But i think at the time of buying may be i will do a little more bargaining. For rears i will go for Q Acoustics 2000. Cheap n best. AVR i already have 1611.

How did you like Prosub 1000? Will be it good enuff for my 12x11 room? What do you suggest? Super Cube or HSU wont be overpowered for my room? If Prosub 1000 can deliver good n punchy bass, i will go for it. Otherwise i will have to wait a little more n save some more money for Super Cube or HSU.

Next week i will buy all the stuff. Hopefully i will get everything i want.. :confused:
 
@ Akhil,

Good that you have liked Dali floor standers and about your question on the Sub, i am not an expert so i really cant tell you if HSU or Supercube III will be over powering your 12*11 bed room and also if you have liked pro sub 1000 then you should go for it. I was looking at subs for my living room which is bigger so i may prefer something which is powerful than that i will never spend 35k for a sub to be used in my bed room.

@ Kirti,

I re-auditioned deftech mythos gems with mythos center 7 and some REL sub and since i had auditioned MA MX2 with MA silver center and MA Silver surrounds just a day before so I could relate the two systems better this time. MA MX seem to be having more clear and crispier vocals and the fronts seem to be less brighter than mythos Gems however i still doubt if the surrounds used with MA package are good enough (i am not sure if i could have felt so due to the AVR setting to be not proper for surrounds?) may be using different pair of surround speakers will be better. Have you liked the MA MX2s? and could you share the price quoted for same? ( i got quote of abt 35k pair).. and did you audition any speakers if yes please do share your review.

@ sampadenator

You were correct, the guy at the deftech demo room had erroneously given quote of 65k for 5.0 yesterday i check with them again the correct price is 34.8K a pair for gems and center 7 for 24.k a piece ( i think he will give about 10% discount on this price)
 
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@ Kirti,

I re-auditioned deftech mythos gems with mythos center 7 and some REL sub and since i had auditioned MA MX2 with MA silver center and MA Silver surrounds just a day before so I could relate the two systems better this time. MA MX seem to be having more clear and crispier vocals and the fronts seem to be less brighter than mythos Gems however i still doubt if the surrounds used with MA package are good enough (i am not sure if i could have felt so due to the AVR setting to be not proper for surrounds?) may be using different pair of surround speakers will be better. Have you liked the MA MX2s? and could you share the price quoted for same? ( i got quote of abt 35k pair).. and did you audition any speakers if yes please do share your review.

naren,

when u say MA MX2 are you referring to MA BX2 ( Bronze Series ) ?

i'm doing the Psb demo tomorrow and will my post my impressions here... :)
 
I am also looking at PSB Image 5.1 for my HT. Do let me know which speaker you preferred in the front B6 or B5. I felt that if you take a powerful Sub and main usage is movies B5 is ideal for fronts.

naren,

when u say MA MX2 are you referring to MA BX2 ( Bronze Series ) ?

i'm doing the Psb demo tomorrow and will my post my impressions here... :)
 
Hey Kriti,
I goofed with the name this is what it included, MA Bronze series fronts *2, MA Silver surrounds *2, MA Silver Center and MA sub. If you are deciding on MA i would suggest you to re-audition just to check on the surrounds again ( in my case the surrounds were at the hight of about 6 feet i think so height could be culprit too but no harm in double checking :) ) ...

I will be looking forward towards your review on PSB, I am guessing you are to audition Image B6?
 
Thanks Naren for the suggestions..

Any expert here in HifiVision, pls suggest a good sub for 12x11 room... A powerful sub but not overkill.

Thanks..
 
Went for PSB demo along with my brother....

i had carried over my Yamaha RX V450 & my sub svs pc12 nsd for the demo.

i have about 2-3 standard movie scenes which i watch during demo for every speaker. This helps me do a as close a comparison to what i have heard before because the demo material is always the same. I had also requested Ashish to arrange a couple of discs which he dutifully did...

First up....

1. Alpha T1 + C1 + LR1 + pc12 nsd + Nad T 747

The sound was smooth with clarity. i could hear all the speakers very well. infact the slightly smaller LR1 were matching well & keeping up with larger T1 & C1 in the front.

They were so nice you have to wonder why do i need to spend more ? The sound was very balanced with all the details in chapter 7 of avatar coming through clearly and making you feel you are in the jungle with them. Once again i'd say the LR1 were doing a terrific job of creating a realistic environment behind me and the front speakers were creating a large sound stage with us not being able to pin-point were the sounds were coming from.

The dialogue from C1 were clear and all the conversation between the characters on screen could be heard & understood very well..!!

Like i said earlier at this point i was wondering i dont need to spend more than this.

At this price point out of all the speakers i have heard the Alpha setup according to me was the best. Since i had recently decided to double my budget from the initial 50-70k to upto 1.5 that allowed me to venture into the next range the Image series.

2. Image B6 + C5 + S5 + pc12 nsd + Nad T 747

Some things in life progress in a linear way.... You get what you pay for, but you have to pay for it. The Image series is priced slightly higher than the Alpha series and the jump in sound quality is quite noticeable...

The Sound Stage got even bigger with much more clarity. The dynamics increased a few notches and there was even more vibrancy in sound. The basics were the same i,e a very smooth and involving sound creating a vivid environment of the avatar jungle in the demo room.

This setup really made me feel i was there with the avatars and the creatures... The dialogue from C5 was exceptionally clear and each word was easily understood. the B6 is a bookshelf but was creating a very large immersive soundstage. The demo room is quite large approximately 17 by 20 feet. But the B6 was able to comfortably fill it up with tremendous output

The most impressive fact was the entire image setup remained exceptionally clear and distortion free even at very high volumes.

3. Image T5 + C5 + S5 + pc12 nsd + Nad T 747

The T5 is a tower/floor stander with 2 woofers and it was evident & mutaully agreed by myself, my brother & ashish that now with T5 in the front the dynamics/soundstage/slam increased by about 20-25 %. Everything else from above remains as good as the B6 setup.

4. Image T6 + C5 + S5 + pc12 nsd + Nad T 747

T6 is a tower & has a separate midrange driver. It's quite large and make even the T5 look very small. Now the difference was even more prominent. The dynamics/soundstage/slam increased by atleast 50% and as expected the midrange as more lush and clearer. As good as the B6 and T5 are the T6 took the whole experience to another level. Chapter 7 of Avatar has a lot of high energy action and the T6 created a exceptional soundstage and took us right into the action.

I can see T5 & specially T6 for people who need to fill large rooms.

After hearing all of them i focused my attention to the surrounds. I was figuring out whether i like the conventional direct radiating B5 or the Bipoles S5 which create a more diffuse surround sound.

We went back and forth on this we will need one more session to really be able to decide which one me & my brother liked more because certain times we liked the B5 more and other times we liked the S5 more.

Conclusion.

I'll try to describe the PSB sound here...

In my opinion PSB sound is not a very attacking, in your face sound. It's more of a sound which welcomes you into what it is doing. The result is that is creates a very easy on your ears kind of sound which you can listen effortlessly for hours and come out of the listening feeling refreshed and relaxed unlike some other speakers which are more attacking & have a brighter sound which leaves you fatigued after a listening session.

The PSB could be in my opinion classified as a smooth but at the same time energetic sound which has beautiful highs, a lush midrange and tight, deep & dynamic lows. I would call them close to neutral/warm.

The Nad T 747 Avr has a role in this too which i found to be very smooth and musical. I tried the Image setup with my Yamaha RX V450 in the end and the sound became slightly bright. So different avrs definitely produce different signature sound and we should consider what kind of sound we prefer before getting a AVR.

There's nothing a Demo..... :)

My sincere thanks to Ashish who i found to be very courteous & amiable. All My demo session was close to 5 hours and he was very patient and professional with his approach specially with someone like me who tends to go into a lot of detail and has a lot of questions. He and his staff was more than happy to keeping changing my the fronts and surrounds as many times i needed which helped me in reaching a conclusion as to what sounded best to my ears.

Cheers :)
 
Hi Friends,

After researching, reading reviews and completing demos over a period of six months starting Sep 2010.... an order for PSb Image B6 + C5 has been placed for my HT setup.

I have to do a 2'nd demo of S5 Bipole vs B5/B6 direct radiating monopole to decide the surrounds as i couldn't decide the first time around which me and my brother liked more. We will be going to lakozy soon to do this.

My sincere thanks goes out to all the members who have helped me with their suggestions, tips and advice of various combinations/setups in completing this journey.

Cheers :)
 
Hi Friends,

After researching, reading reviews and completing demos over a period of six months starting Sep 2010.... an order for PSb Image B6 + C5 has been placed for my HT setup.

I have to do a 2'nd demo of S5 Bipole vs B5/B6 direct radiating monopole to decide the surrounds as i couldn't decide the first time around which me and my brother liked more. We will be going to lakozy soon to do this.

My sincere thanks goes out to all the members who have helped me with their suggestions, tips and advice of various combinations/setups in completing this journey.

Cheers :)

Welcome to the club of PSB Image B6:clapping:. My sincere thanks to u as u have helped me a lot in choosing me a correct speakers of my taste.:) According to what u have bought seems to me that ur sound preferences and my sound preferences are same.:ohyeah:

Could u plz tell me something about ur source like CDP? Media player? or anything?:rolleyes:

Also tell me that which speaker cable u are using?
 
movies will be played on a Denon DVD 1940 player.

Speaker cable is a very interesting topic which i'm currently researching on... it's quite debatable as some say any cable will do whereas some say different cables have different sound signature....

what are your findings as yet...?
 
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