Listening distance and loudness

[loud]

Hello i'm new. I was in a hurry to post so i skip the introduction thread.
System:
Wharfedale 9.1 speaker
Audiolab 8000A intergrated amp
Philips CD650 CD Player
With Cheap cables and monster interconnect.

My room is small but i love playing quite loud(12 to 1 oclock), the listening distance varies 1.5 to 3 meter from the speaker depending on types of music. Wall treatment with acoustic foam allows me to play louder and clearer than before.

I don't have problems with soft music like Diana Krall or Rebecca Pidgeon but when listening to more complex recordings like Sarah Brightman's Symphony or any Deep Purple's album, the treble start to shrill on higher volume while sitting close 1.5 meter to my speaker.

Try experimenting with my seat position by backing further till i was 3 meter from my speaker does help reduce the shrill so i was wondering if the louder we play - the further we must sit to acquire a better sound?
But will not this theory go against sustaning the original signal because the increase of distance will increase sound coloration due to interference of room acoustic?

Appreciate any advice.

 

[just4kix]

I generally try to sit btween 2m to 3m from speakers. Sitting closer, I don't get the sweet spot.

 

[ranjeetrain]

Depends on the system. Most speaker manufacturer's recommendation is to form an equilateral triangle with the speakers and the listening position. However, that's just a guideline to give you a starting point. Best position for the speakers and sweet spot for the listener always depends on the (1) room (2) speakers and (3) the electronics. Everything plays a role, but the impact is in the order I listed. So playing with the acoustics (room modes) and speaker positioning is usually enough to get things right. However, in a badly matched system it may be hard to achieve by optimizing only those two factors.

You should try playing with the speaker position. One idea worth trying will be to place the speakers higher (with a higher stand). That will give you a more uniform treble response WRT to distance from the speakers. Also, toe the speakers out a tad bit. That can also solve the problem.

If those don't work, try taking out the room treatment one by one, starting from any absorbers you have on the wall opposite the speakers. That might give you a more uniform treble response through out the room (across the speakers) as well.

 

[koushik]

Wharfy is bright, IMO. So, playing louder will only make them shrill when you are very close. You have a decent Source and AMP, why don't you consider upgrading your speaker to something more soothing?

Are you bi-wiring the speakers? Bi-wiring helps smoothing the tweeter response considerably. Make them more relaxed.

 

[loud]

Depends on the system. Most speaker manufacturer's recommendation is to form an equilateral triangle with the speakers and the listening position. However, that's just a guideline to give you a starting point. Best position for the speakers and sweet spot for the listener always depends on the (1) room (2) speakers and (3) the electronics. Everything plays a role, but the impact is in the order I listed. So playing with the acoustics (room modes) and speaker positioning is usually enough to get things right. However, in a badly matched system it may be hard to achieve by optimizing only those two factors.

You should try playing with the speaker position. One idea worth trying will be to place the speakers higher (with a higher stand). That will give you a more uniform treble response WRT to distance from the speakers. Also, toe the speakers out a tad bit. That can also solve the problem.

If those don't work, try taking out the room treatment one by one, starting from any absorbers you have on the wall opposite the speakers. That might give you a more uniform treble response through out the room (across the speakers) as well.

Thanks, will try out those suggestion but i think taking out the absorbers will produce more reflection problem.

 

[loud]

Wharfy is bright, IMO. So, playing louder will only make them shrill when you are very close. You have a decent Source and AMP, why don't you consider upgrading your speaker to something more soothing?

Are you bi-wiring the speakers? Bi-wiring helps smoothing the tweeter response considerably. Make them more relaxed.

No, not bi-wiring them. I need more cables

I had tested other entry level speakers such as Tannoy Mercury m2, B&W DM685, AE Evo1, Monitor Audio PMC702 which i think are equally bright if not way brighter than the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 except for the Cerwin Vega CLS 6 which isn't as crisp as the rest in the upper treble.

What speaker do you suggest that is not bright when playing loud in close range between 2 to 3 meter while still maintaining vocal purity and crisp hi at least in the sense of entry to mid level speaker?

 

[koushik]

What speaker do you suggest that is not bright when playing loud in close range between 2 to 3 meter while still maintaining vocal purity and crisp hi at least in the sense of entry to mid level speaker?

I do not have much idea of recent speakers because I have not taken much audition. Some which may be considered are -
Aviano 2
MA BX2

Another thing is 2-3 meters is not very close distance. How big is your room?

 

[loud]

another thing is 2-3 meters is not very close distance. How big is your room?

h 10'
w 11'
l 14'