Kind of validates that subjectivists hear music more with their eyes rather than their ears and also research shows that people prefer neutral sound in blind tests.Here is a recent chatter about the same topic
Kind of validates that subjectivists hear music more with their eyes rather than their ears and also research shows that people prefer neutral sound in blind tests.Here is a recent chatter about the same topic
It's not as simple as that. At least not in my experience. More often than not, People tend to prefer what sounds natural to them. And natural and neutral are not one and the same thing.Kind of validates that subjectivists hear music more with their eyes rather than their ears and also research shows that people prefer neutral sound in blind tests.
Yes. That conclusion is valid within the limitations of that experiment. Again, these are statistics-based conclusions and therefore have its own scope. Therefore we shouldn't over interpret it. What all senses people employ in enjoying music is there own choice. Eyes, ears, whatever else.Kind of validates that subjectivists hear music more with their eyes rather than their ears and also research shows that people prefer neutral sound in blind tests.
Let me work on that...Your writing skills are quite good. Can you write a subjectivist version?
I guess it’s not possible conclude anything if we think the conclusion from an experiments confirms to that experiment and not true in real world. Everything like crash tests, medical studies are all not useful if the results were true only to the experiment and not useful in real world.That conclusion is valid within the limitations of that experiment. conclusions and we will miss out on it.
I think I have said all that i wanted to say about this subject of objectivity and subjectivity in my posts in this thread. It is just my viewpoint from my personal experience and what i have learnt from the experience of others who have been working in this field since before i was born. You can choose to take it or leave it and move on based on your preferences.I guess it’s not possible conclude anything if we think the conclusion from an experiments confirms to that experiment and not true in real world. Everything like crash tests, medical studies are all not useful if the results were true only to the experiment and not useful in real world.
I would like to add to that our subjective experiences remain mostly the same overall although they might improve continue to evolve individually. ie even for the next generation the overall subjective experience limit will not change much . It will of course be limited by or change due to our own evolution as humans.
not all of us may hear the above 20khz sicne perhaps those signals itself are rare but it is a measurable phenomenon and may have been studied and measured in various ways ( perhaps for tinnitus, not again not sure of this area..) i have heard it what i think is that , by a simple on and off of a supertweeter, personally not a fan but yes you can discern it ergo it exists
This horse is so dead due to constant flogging Since this forum can't seem to agree on anything, it's best we let this "sleeping dog" lie.Raghu,
Are you gently reminding me this horse is dead and just to enjoy the music?
Could you elaborate on the bold part? Not sure I understood this
You need to see things from a broader perspective.The Objectivist Audiophile Screenplay:
ACT 1
Friend:
"Hey, where did your speakers go?
Objectivist Audiophile:
"I sold them!"
Friend:
Sold them?! Why?
Objectivist Audiophile:
"Yeah... Well, (fiddles with db meter) since I've documented that everything measures correctly I can finally stop listening. So I sold them."
Friend:
(Turns head towards large stack of uber expensive Hifi gear with no speakers ) What about the rest of your equipment?
Objectivist Audiophile:
Yeah, I'm really pleased with it, it's perfect."
Friend:
Have you ever considered a different hobby?
Objectivist Audiophile:
No. Why?
End ACT 1
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You need to see things from a broader perspective.
Do you mean that objectively?You need to see things from a broader perspective.
The Subjectivist Audiophile Screenplay:Your writing skills are quite good. Can you write a subjectivist version?
Now , can you do one with both?The Subjectivist Audiophile Screenplay:
ACT 1
Friend:
" Woooooh... dude what is going on? (Looks at large pile of wire and speaker parts) Didn't you just buy these speakers?"
Subjectivist Audiophile
"Yeah! But I'm going to make them better so I tore them apart."
Friend:
"You were just telling me how there was over five years in the R&D and they designed them utilizing the latest high speed computational fluid dynamic modeling in a virtual anechoic chamber with 3D printing because the guys brother works at DARPA?"
Subjectivist Audiophile
"Yep."
Friend:
"~And you're going to make them.... better?"
Subjectivist Audiophile:
"Yeah, see I'm replacing all these OEM teflon capacitors with the latest HoneyCombPaperMonkeyWaxFoil capacitors by DuumDORF."
Friend:
" DuumDORF?" "But all these look to be the SAME Values as the original caps?"
Subjectivist Audiophile:
"Yeah BUT the monkeywax SOUNDS BETTER!"
Friend:
"But.... (Rolls Eyes) there're the SAME VALUES."
Subjectivist Audiophile:
"Sounds better...."
Friend:
"Remind me of Ohms Law again?"
Subjectivist Audiophile:
Who?
Friend:
"I though so...."
END ACT I
Sir, Sorry to butt in in an ideological/philosophical thread, but would love to understand something from you. (of course, others are also free to answer this question, but I do want to hear Vineeth sir's answer)Room treatment just alters it to some extent. The only way to hear what the recording engineer intended is if you have the exact same hearing capabilities as that person and if you exactly recreate his settings in your place. Otherwise the reverberant field changes and your are not hearing what he heard anymore.
Sir, this makes eminent sense.Not even a single time I said, anyone is wrong in using a non flat speaker. I myself don’t have one at home as I bought it before I knew about all these things. I cannot afford to change it right now, but I seriously wish I knew all this sometime back.I have a soft corner for slightly few dbs. bumped up upper bass.
All I said is measuemts can tell how a device sounds, it’s left for us to choose what we like after seeing it.
I used to listen and give merit to this guy. But with my evolving knowledge about audio in particular (mind you I didn’t say music) I came to understand reviewers like him and how much he sells BS to sell ….or advertise the gadgets he reviews. I still feel much of the debate and confusion is happening with the interchanging concepts of audio(objective) and music(subjective).Just to liven things up (or another attempt to resuscitate the dead horse)…