... a little more catching up
Can you really measure everything we hear? You feel so. I feel no
Dogs? Bats? There really is nothing special about
human hearing except the ability to talk about it!
And, whoa, do we
talk about it! :lol:
subjective parameters. - if you think all these are just audiopool hyperbole, that really does not effect sound quality - then kindly ignore this post - it does not really matter either way.
Not sure about others but when I hear, I try to experience all of the above along with stuff like pace, rythm, timing (PRAT).
Not
just audiophool hyperbole, no, but certainly most of these things are subjective reactions. If the age of electronics had not happened, we might be talking about listening to the same orchestra in different halls ... and maybe, some people might be claiming that there are differences so subtle that they can't be measured!
Bring on the best measuring instruments! Let's hear what they hear.
Guess what ... that is how you are hearing your music in the first place: it was
recorded. That means
measured. If you can measure [record] it in the studio or concert hall, then you can measure the other end of the chain too.
The ultimate hifi would convince us, if we close our eyes, that we are listening to live musicians. One can measure one... but not the other. It doesn't add up.
Microphones, and even
digital equipment was sensitive and accurate enough to measure/record
every nuance of the music, but isn't sensitive enough to measure what we hear in the home. It doesn't add up.
And... hitting the topic... almost certainly no fancy power cables were used in the recording!
As I understand some of the more accomplished speaker/equipment designers voice their speakers/equipment subjectively after all objective testing is complete hearing for some of the above mentioned parameters. So these/guys-gals are nuts!
Tangental argument which doesn't apply to the question. It doesn't say that
the result of what they do is not measurable.
Companies like Wilson audio/ krell/ Mark levinson etc. are just cheating people convincing them that they are hearing stuff that can't be measured and making them pay 10's of thousands of dollars.
I'd love to have some of names in my living room. We all shop for different reasons. The colour of the cabinet is a major consideration to hifi shoppers (no, really! Ask the marketing department! Note the trends, from black to silver, and back to black). Sound quality is in there somewhere.
... its as much an ego trip as it is for pure enjoyment. Even the mere term "audiophile" gives people a high and they think they have unprecedented opinion options for others.
Quite.
taking it one step further (and adding to what hifiashok said) - why we do rate tea, liquor/wine, etc on the basis of taste - why do we rely on the so called experts - why cant companies just look at chemical compositions of the so called best liquor and emulate it in a cheap fashion? Surely there must be equipment capable of breaking down the exact composition. Wouldn't it be much simpler to just look at the composition and go - hmmm...this is what I would like to have today
why only power cables - does everyone agree that ICs make a difference? what about speaker cables? what about CD transports - forget the theory in all this - can you hear it or not?
And what about girls, then? hair colour and style? figure? And what's
that got to do with sound? Nothing... of course.
this is the summation of such arguments:
Humans do and feel stuff that I cannot explain, therefore it is reasonable to suppose that sound reproduction is unmeasurable. Look at it that way, and ask yourself if the logic works?
Sorry this is an untidy attempt at catching up, with many thoughts out of order, and most quotes unattributed. It's a measurable effect of Cyclone Thane, which did not do us any real harm, but cost me a night's sleep.