The Objective DAC is Here!

Me too. Anyway, after a new amplifier, another electronic toy might brake the marriage, even if the bank can stand it :o

is that a good thing or a bad thing? :D

:lol:

Either way, I'm waiting for availability of the desktop-amp/DAC combination :cool:

There's certainly no way I'd risk being beaten about the head with the droolworthy Phonotor, much as I'd like to play with its crossfeed settings. One big, heavy piece of kit!

One of the DAC threads made me aware of Audio-gd. I found this. I'd use the balanced output of my sound card. The aim is to better the built-in headphone amp on that sound card: the Echo Audiofire2.
 
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Future objective audio devices that I am interested in.
I am interested in the "Wire" headphone amplifier. If people are interested some from the forum may try with getting PCBs made from PCB power for a group buy. Here is the link:
"The Wire" Ultra-High Performance Headphone Amplifier - PCB's - diyAudio

How about the CTH? It's supposed to play well with the HD650s:

the CTH (Compact Tube Hybrid) Rev A thread...

CLOSED Group buy for CTH (Compact Tube Hybrid) PCB

Cavalli Compact Tube Hybrid (CTH) Tube & Tweak thread.
 
I already have the EHHA from cavalli audio which is a step up from the CTH. I love it and wont trade it even for a beta 22. The wire are extremely good performance on paper and is potable that is why I was interested. Here is my EHHA:

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I meant the opamp chips on my other DACs will impart a coloration leading to a sound signature of their own.

On the contrary there are none on the ODAC thereby making it more transparent.
 
It is adaptive USB not asynchronous. However audibly there was no difference when compared to the one that has asynchronous USB.

There is no SPDIF input possible as of now. All these questions have be answered on the designers blog.

This is how stereophile lauds asynchronous USB "To achieve the maximum resolution, a D/A converter must use a high-precision clock circuit running at a fixed frequency to control the timing of the conversion of each digital sample to an analog voltage. By contrast, almost all USB DACs operate in what's called adaptive USB mode, which means having to use a variable-frequency clock rather than a fixed-frequency master clock. For various reasons, a computer cannot maintain perfect timing of the data packets it sends a DAC via USB. Most adaptive USB DACs are based on one of Burr-Brown's PCM270x family of chips. The BB chip typically changes the master-clock frequency to match the average sampling frequency of the data it receiveshence the "adaptive." The drawback to this, says Ayre (and which John Atkinson's measurements of other USB DACs seem to confirm), is that adaptive USB DACs tend to have high levels of jitter. Also, the BB receiver chip maxes out at a resolution of 16 bits and a 48kHz sample rate."

However, the main benifit from the same is low jitter which the ODAC has even on adaptive USB. here is the evidence:

"NEW JITTER FINDINGS: I did quite a bit more research on jitter during the ODACs development. Im also using a new dScope method that shows the same spectrum as before but now the symmetrical jitter components are marked (with a white X) and summed to obtain a total numerical value (previously the dScope was just showing the total residual noise floor). Having the single number (-103.3 dB below) made it easier to optimize the ODAC for the lowest jitter. The objective evidence conservatively indicates if you keep all related components below -110 dB, and the total below -100 dB, the jitter will be entirely inaudible. Jitter creates dissonant distortion products in the audible band. Its reasonable to assume if the audible effects of jitter are kept at or below the inaudible noise floor, they too will be inaudible. So the same levels of 100 dB and 110 dB that apply to noise also apply to jitter contributions. This is also consistent with various professional reviewers and their anecdotal opinions on jitter performance as well as my blind testing against the Benchmark DAC1 which has even lower jitter.

ODAC JITTER: The ODAC passes the conservative criteria with several dB to spare even on the worst-case J-Test signal. And the spread at the base of the signal (very low frequency jitter) is extremely minimal being entirely below 130 dB. Its also worth noting the jitter here looks subjectively worse because the noise floor is much lower than most of my jitter measurements which are done with a 16 bit test signal. A 16 bit noise floors masks most of the spikes seen below. The ODAC also has negligible inter-channel phase error and essentially perfect pitch accuracy:"

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More interestingly someone is selling dac boards with the same chip ES9023 on ebay which is spdif and usb input capable with i2s signal input from external devices but unfortunately he does not sell it in India.
 
The tenor is a USB interface chip which allows the transfer of 24/96 stream over USB.

The audiogd DAC link that you have posted had the burr brown chip which are known to have relatively warm and laidback presentation. I have made a DAC based on the BB 1978 chip which has the typical burr brown sound. Hope this clears all doubts.

Regarding the performance of chinese DAC kits. Designs as well as components used are usually suspect except from well known vendors:

Check this out and compare it to the ODAC.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/212915-weiliang-dac5-wm8741-tenor-te7022.html

However here is one seller that I know is good:

http://www.hifivision.com/computer-audio/25033-tenor-te7022-24bit-96-dac.html
 
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More interestingly someone is selling dac boards with the same chip ...
Maybe I learnt this from NwAVguy himself, but, apparently, same-chip may not mean that much at all, and the assembled DAC, with all its components, may not perform to the published spec of the dac chip.

True, its easy to say that kind of stuff when selling something --- but, financially at least, NwAVguy is not selling anything, not even his own designs.
 
Today I continued testing the laptop, ODAC, EHHA and HD650 chain with 24/96 material from HD tracks. Albums by Diana Krell, Eagles, Air Supply, Dire Straights.

Softwares used was the latest version of foobar 2000 with WASAPI set at 24 bits output will buffer at 1000 ms with the DAC as the default audio device in windows set at 24 bits.

The result was night and day especially in the midrange where you could easily hear the vocal nuances of the singers. The tonality and timbre of instruments was so natural. One could easily make out the riffs of the bass guitar from other instruments, some thing that used to get washed out in the thumps of the bigger drums. Similarly the higher end gets smoother. The most testing tracks are the ones in which there a number of crescendos and all of them were reproduced authentically.

The only bad thing that I noticed in some 24 bit tracks other than those from HDtracks site was that you could hear the noise floor which could not be discerned at 16 bits. This means that 24 bit files will only be enjoyable if they are mastered properly with a very low noise floor. In addition, these differences were relatively less on the cheap but decent speaker rig pass B1, MyRef and wharf 10.1 pointing towards upgraditis.

Overall 24 bit music was audibly better than 16 bit music and the effects of dynamic range we easily perceptable. The other caveat is the unavailibility of HD tracks from Indian singers. Even the regular CDs these days are poorly mastered. I had purchased Sangam album by Nusrat and javed akhter a while back from flipkart and it sounded like an mp3. I believe the remastering was done improperly will loss of dynamic range.

More info about high end recordings can be seen here

Dynamic-Range Issues in the Modern Digital Audio Environment
 
CONNECTING THE USB POWERED ODAC TO iDEVICES.

The problem with devices like iPad is that they do not directly connect to those DACs which are USB powered. An error message is what you get if you directly connect the ipad to the camera connection kit (CCK) of the iPad.

The FiiO E7 has an inbuilt battery so if you turn off the USB charging function it works with IPad with CCK.

So how to run the ipad with ODAC. Just add a good quality powered USB hub (the Belkin 4 port in my case costs Rs 850). Connect the hub input to CCK and output to ODAC and Voila! you have sound.

Problem number two is that you cannot transfer 24/96 files from your laptop to the iPad. An error message saying that the device is unable to play pops up. The maximum quality AIFF/ALAC files that you can transfer are 24/48.

Solution: Just download the following applications:

1. AceMusic Will play most video, music as well as pictures. Give 24/96 support as well as the ubiquitous FLAC file support. It also solves the problem of playing 1080p videos mkv/mp4 on the ipad. PRICE FREE

2. Capriccio This is another great player with 24/96 flac support, with ablum artwork, FTP server, wifi transfer support. Another good this is that this application can also play the files on the default music player of the ipad so you dont have to keep multiple copies. It also provides a basic graphic equalizer for those who need coloured sound.
PRICE $0.99

Here are some pictures of the ODAC from JDS labs:

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Got my ODAC last week (brought from epiphany acoustics UK and carried via a friend), had one friend visit my home last weekend as well, will try to post feedback soon.

Some pics below, using with Evergreen interconnect (3.5 to 2 RCA) bought from Amazon.com
 

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ODAC vs CDp comparison ? any one

24 bit tracks via my dac dint gave any great output [may be cheap setup , or not matched].. but for normal tracks the ODAC can be magic .
 
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ODAC vs CDp comparison ? any one

24 bit tracks via my dac dint gave any great output [may be cheap setup , or not matched].. but for normal tracks the ODAC can be magic .

On a quick comparison with caiman, preferred the low freqs in odac (tight and deep), but it has a slight sparkle in the highs (waiting for a proper burn in) and also slight digital in sound
 
Guys, need one help. I have connected ODAC to usb of my htpc and the other output to the RCA input named DVD of my AVR (still gathering funds for stereo amp). I have installed foobar on my htpc and made it custom shell in one of the logins. Now whenever I select the foobar user login, foobar starts (and has ODAC selected as audio device) instead of windows explorer. But the problem is my HTPCs HDMI out is connected to HDMI input 1 (named BD) of AVR which is sent to TV from AVR. Problem is if I select the DVD (ODAC) source of AVR the screen of TV goes blank and I have no option left to control foobar from TV screen (since I can see nothing). Only option there is to control foobar from the android phone of my wife which she hardly allows me to do. Will Zone 1 / 2 feature of AVR help?
 
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