Audyssey discussion thread - Room calibration & settings
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Unfortunately my subwoofer position is fixed due to room restrictions. Anyways it is not in the corner, about 3' from corner and it is sealed. (I usually run my subwoofer quite low as it is). I have read in other forums where some other users had same experience and many turned up the level to their subjective satisfaction. I guess I will do the same.
Cheers,
Sid
elangoas
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How many point calibration did you use for your AVR?... Audyssey sets the crossover... I don't think AVR does any setting wrt to crossover...
I think you should leave the crossover to 40Hz...
I used the 8 point calibration.
BTW here is a link to the Audyssey Blog, the moderator is Chris - I think he works at Audyssey and you can read his recommendations. Mainly he states:
1. If you have sub. set all speakers to small regardless of what audyssey does.
2. Set crossover of all speakers to 80hz regardleass of what Audyssey does, if it sets higher than 80hz ok but if it is set lower then he recommends to change it.
3. Set bass to LFE always and LPF setting for LFE should always be 120hz.
Small vs. Large | Audyssey
Cheers,
Sid
PS: Chris is actually Chris Kyriakakis - the founder and CTO of Audyssey.
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I found this in another forum which has a very detailed explanantion on how to use Audyssey Calibration. Pm me if you want the link.
Some important points for me were:
1.It is ok to increase the crossover frequencies of the speakers as set by Audyssey. It is generally not recommended to lower the crossover frequencies below the numbers set by Audyssey. If you do that, Audyssey will not apply correction filters to the frequencies below the numbers that are set by the auto calibration program.
2.It is ok to change a speaker from Large to Small. For the reason mentioned above, you should not change a speaker that has been set to Small and set it to Large. Always remember that if you have a subwoofer, all your speakers become Small by default.
3. Speakers/Subwoofer Distances: Audyssey MultEQ does not measure speaker/subwoofer distances. It actually measures the signal delay. For the main speakers this delay calculation usually results in actual physical distances. But, subwoofers have filters in them that delay the signal more. So, this is equivalent to the subwoofer being further away. It is quite normal to see longer distances reported for the subwoofer. To summarize, the subwoofer distance calculation is more complex than simply using a measuring tape. Subwoofers have filters in them that add delay to the signal and the auto calibration program compensates for that. That is why you should leave the distances as the auto calibration program found them.
Cheers,
Sid
Some important points for me were:
1.It is ok to increase the crossover frequencies of the speakers as set by Audyssey. It is generally not recommended to lower the crossover frequencies below the numbers set by Audyssey. If you do that, Audyssey will not apply correction filters to the frequencies below the numbers that are set by the auto calibration program.
2.It is ok to change a speaker from Large to Small. For the reason mentioned above, you should not change a speaker that has been set to Small and set it to Large. Always remember that if you have a subwoofer, all your speakers become Small by default.
3. Speakers/Subwoofer Distances: Audyssey MultEQ does not measure speaker/subwoofer distances. It actually measures the signal delay. For the main speakers this delay calculation usually results in actual physical distances. But, subwoofers have filters in them that delay the signal more. So, this is equivalent to the subwoofer being further away. It is quite normal to see longer distances reported for the subwoofer. To summarize, the subwoofer distance calculation is more complex than simply using a measuring tape. Subwoofers have filters in them that add delay to the signal and the auto calibration program compensates for that. That is why you should leave the distances as the auto calibration program found them.
Cheers,
Sid
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elangoas
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Thanks for the link Sid... Good one... I have read Chris Answers on Audyssey technologies some time back when setting up my AVR with Muiti EQ XT32....
But few things for clarity.. Not sure if this crossover settings applies to all the version of Audyssey...
My understanding as of now - for Audyssey Xt no issues raising crossover above what audyssey sets it as. In fact Chris is very strong on the point that these settings are done by receiver not by Audyssey. Secondly if I understand Chris right, maximum amount of Audyssey processing (filters) are geared towards subwoofer as integrating it in a room is the hardest task. So he strongly recommends that subwoofer should handle all low frequency info (i.e; below 80hz). I will go by these suggestions for now. I will repeat the Audyssey calibration with careful mike placement, then set all speakers to small, crossover at 80hz, and finally - the reason for my post - sub-levels, I will adjust upwards slightly- subjectively of-course till I am satisfied.
All in all I am satisfied by the settings, I liked the rear channel settings better than manual as the surround effects seem better now.
Cheers,
Sid
I recently replaced my small surround JBL LX10 speakers with a BOSE 201 Series V and added a Front High Speakers using the JBL LX10. Based on your recommendation from the ONKYO owners thread, I recalibrated my NR828 using the Audyssey MutltiEQ , 6 point sampling and calculation. The Audyssey MultiEQ set 60Hz on the fronts, center and Surround and 150Hz on the Front High. I have corrected the 60Hz to 80Hz (THX rating) and the 150Hz to 100Hz for the Front Highs. set the Audyssey Volume to Medium.Tested the Dark Knight and Matrix 1 and 2 - Blu Ray. The Matrix gave a great sense of immersion although the dB was more subdued than the Dark Knight. Is the Matrix a better indicator of the surround system than the Boom factor of a Dark Knight or say the Pacific Rim?
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Ok, I repeated 8 point Auydssey calibration by careful placement of the mic - as recommended by Audyssey. The speakers were again set to large, so I changed all to small and fixed crossover at 80hz. The speaker distances calculated are quite accurate, except of-course the sub. The sub level has been set at -8.5db a 1 db improvement over the first time. However this is not enough for me. So I manually increased it to -1.5db and I feel this a better setting for me. The sub is not intrusive but kicks in just when needed like gunshots etc. The big question - is there any difference when compared to manual setup using a db meter? - I will not say there is huge improvement, but I feel that the surround speakers are more enveloping now, so I am more immersed in the movie than before. I guess that is good enough of an improvement. So all set for now with rcvr. upgrade - next I am contemplating 4k projector. Will wait for some time, need to experiment how good upconverting from 1080p to 4k will be as there is no real 4k content, but that discussion belongs in another thread.
Cheers,
Sid
Cheers,
Sid
elangoas
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I haven't done the setting with SPL meter.. So will refrain commenting on that...
When you say surrounds are better than before, is it because you have engaged Dynamic EQ & Vol engaged on the AVR? or juz stock surround mode...
When you say surrounds are better than before, is it because you have engaged Dynamic EQ & Vol engaged on the AVR? or juz stock surround mode...
elangoas
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I dont have a SUB.. So Audyssey set my fronts to LARGE to default..... DId Audyssey Volume default to "Medium" or did you change it...
Hope you used Dolby Prologic IIz mode to expand 5.1 -> 7.1
No I am using stock surround mode. Reason it is better - at-least my understanding - is that when one uses a Db meter to adjust levels, I feel that though a tripod is used the mic position is not very accurate. I have read suggestions to aim it upwards at an angle, at-ceiling vertically etc. - no real concrete best method - and regardless the mic. of a db meter is mounted to the front of the unit. However with Audyssey, the mic is pointed upwards and designed to be that way rather than some arbitrary inclination of the db meter. So I feel it captures surround speaker info. more accurately as the speakers are mounted higher, and do not fire sound directly like the front & ctr. I guess what I am trying to say that the audyssey mic. mimics the human head and ears better. Consequently a better job is done at balancing surround levels and also the 8 points of measurement improves accuracy whereas with db meter only 1 point is measured. Lastly the mic. supplied with the receiver is calibrated (I am assuming this happens - not sure) so it will be more accurate than a db meter. Hence I may be experiencing the better enveloping effects. I may be wrong in my thinking but logically this seems to make sense to me.
Cheers,
Sid
elangoas
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Hmmm... Ok.. If you have saved the Audyssey settings in your AVR, try engaging both Dynamic EQ & Vol and check if it makes any difference to your movies....
Since i didn't have the required equipments, i placed a small plastic stool on sofa (listenng position) and the calibration mic on top of that without much tilt...Only now i realise that i had placed that calibration mic, a lil lower than my FS tweeter level.. Surrounds were placed higher in height.. Center channel was below the mic.. But i had slightly angled the center speaker towards the listening postion with broken floor tiles
hyeah:
It picked all the speaker distance precisely from the primary listening postion (1) ... I cross checked the reading manually after Audyssey completed 8 point calibration and they were accurate...
Since i didn't have the required equipments, i placed a small plastic stool on sofa (listenng position) and the calibration mic on top of that without much tilt...Only now i realise that i had placed that calibration mic, a lil lower than my FS tweeter level.. Surrounds were placed higher in height.. Center channel was below the mic.. But i had slightly angled the center speaker towards the listening postion with broken floor tiles
hyeah:It picked all the speaker distance precisely from the primary listening postion (1) ... I cross checked the reading manually after Audyssey completed 8 point calibration and they were accurate...
1) Audyssey Volume default was off: I had to set it to medium
2) yes the system auto selects the 7.1 with Dolby ProLOgicIIz
Hi guys need some help on Audyssey set up from your experience, I have bought a new Denon 1100w AVR which has Audyssey Bronze I think, my MA BX2 bookshelves have been Bi-Amped I have a same series (bronze) center and a MA sub, I have not gone in yet for the rear surround as wiring is a hassle in my new apartment may go in for wireless active speakers in the future.
Whenever I try to calibrate my AVR with Audyssey mic it searches for FR, FL, center, sub and then stops will do nothing further than that. In the settings I have no rear surround option selected, what am I doing wrong?
I have set it up manually by feeding in the distances of all the speakers (not happy with the SQ) also the speakers still are not burn in.
Marzi
Whenever I try to calibrate my AVR with Audyssey mic it searches for FR, FL, center, sub and then stops will do nothing further than that. In the settings I have no rear surround option selected, what am I doing wrong?
I have set it up manually by feeding in the distances of all the speakers (not happy with the SQ) also the speakers still are not burn in.
Marzi
elangoas
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Oh.. For me it defaulted to "light" so i saved them as such...
Have you set bi-amp in your AVR for front speakers?
spirovious
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Before running Audyssey,there is option to configure speaker option.Try that and run it again.
I ran calibration over the weekend for my sr6009 with front wides. My typical 5.0 is pioneer AJ speakers and I had kept my yamaha satellite speakers at front wides. My sw is 6' Yamaha.
Post audyssey, it had set 60Hz for my front, center & surround and 110HZ for front wides. I felt the settings worked good for me. I am however now tempted to check how the effect would be if I replace the satellite to BS speakers at front wides, though I didn't get permission from the head of the house
Post audyssey, it had set 60Hz for my front, center & surround and 110HZ for front wides. I felt the settings worked good for me. I am however now tempted to check how the effect would be if I replace the satellite to BS speakers at front wides, though I didn't get permission from the head of the house
rahulsinghania
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I have a denon avr x2000 and Polk audio tsx series assembled jnto a dedicated theatre room. Should I run an auddessey calibration or manual calibration will sound better ?
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