jamo C605/ C607

[mnhegde]

Chill Buddy. No one is bullying around. Harass (Strong Word, Friend)?? The forum members are peace loving people . Calm down and continue with a healthy discussion.

 

[thevortex]

WALK YOU through all the set ups ive had over the last 20+ years.Why should i?1 minute your mr.know it all next minute your mr. nice. if you had nothing to gain you would not have spent all that time saying i was slinging mud when all i said was your assumption was arrogant.1. concert 800 simular set ups:monitor audios rx6 5.1 pack-morduant short mezzo pack-tannoy revolution 6 & ts12 sub etc. 2.concert 600 simular set ups:B+W Theatre 685-tannoy mercury f4 custom-axiom epic master-teufel theatre 200-mission m3i 5.1 etc,etc. Youre asking for which systems are best bang for buck??I wouldnt say there is any 1 0r even 2 which stick out incl jamos! but bear in mind this is a JAMO C605/607 THREAD.By the way what gives you the right to ASSUME what the approach of the forum should be?ITS A PUBLIC FORUM! And this situation is a case of 1 person being NMYTREE just trying to help and then getting scritinised by you!HMPH! AND then me just being new to the forum seemly is enough TO RUFFLE YOUR FEATHERS. I ABSOLUTELY HATE BULLYS so my advice to you is give helpful advise and do not harass NEW or present members.:indifferent14:

Maladjusted - I dont have any assumptions. You are the one who is assuming. Be a part of the forum to understand more instead of shooting off the hip. I have been a part of the forum for a while to understand what it exactly is. And I was trying to help you out. Appears that that was the wrong thing to do.

 

[subhash]

SUBHASH:what an awesome set-up as ive said in the other thread you must be very proud of it.You would have to chisel the smile of my face every morning if i had that set-up,by the way how long did it take you to put it together?

thanks again

how long did i take ? man this hobby kills your pocket, its a never ending story since 10-12 yrs , soon theres going to be a change in the set up with the AVR and projector making way for newer stuff (wud have already changed the AVR but waiting for the Emo UMC-1 as am in the pre order list) and the PJ will make way for a Full HD PJ

 

[maladjusted]

Maladjusted - I dont have any assumptions. You are the one who is assuming. Be a part of the forum to understand more instead of shooting off the hip. I have been a part of the forum for a while to understand what it exactly is. And I was trying to help you out. Appears that that was the wrong thing to do.

OK.you asked which systems i thought were best bang for buck along with jamo c80/c60 and i explained which i thought were.but you did'nt even comment on my examples,just that i dont know what the forum is about.if you call that helping,well thats your opinion.Ive read back on some of your posts and yes you have been helpful,but as ive said the forum is for everybody,not just 1 persons opinions on others.Also you have no right to assume which way topics should be approached.you said you dont have any assumptions but you must have one way or the other!!maybe the next time we cross posts it should be something we both agree on?

 

[maladjusted]

thanks again

how long did i take ? man this hobby kills your pocket, its a never ending story since 10-12 yrs , soon theres going to be a change in the set up with the AVR and projector making way for newer stuff (wud have already changed the AVR but waiting for the Emo UMC-1 as am in the pre order list) and the PJ will make way for a Full HD PJ

Yeah it does kill your pocket.Every time i mention upgrading in my house the question from my wife and/or kids is:They look nice but are they new or ex-display!!your system really rocks,esp with what you have on the way!Anyway the v. best of luck with the whole set-up (room incl.)is it soundproof btw?

 

[maladjusted]

Chill Buddy. No one is bullying around. Harass (Strong Word, Friend)?? The forum members are peace loving people . Calm down and continue with a healthy discussion.

YES i agree harass is a strong word,but being accused of slinging mud at people is'nt a strong accusation,no? (peace)

 

[thevortex]

OK.you asked which systems i thought were best bang for buck along with jamo c80/c60 and i explained which i thought were.but you did'nt even comment on my examples,just that i dont know what the forum is about.if you call that helping,well thats your opinion.Ive read back on some of your posts and yes you have been helpful,but as ive said the forum is for everybody,not just 1 persons opinions on others.Also you have no right to assume which way topics should be approached.you said you dont have any assumptions but you must have one way or the other!!maybe the next time we cross posts it should be something we both agree on?

Well, ,lets hope so, maladjusted.

Regarding the setups you quoted, I had nothing to comment on because you had not mentioned what sort of setup you were looking for, what sort of music you listened to and what you found present/missing in those systems you mentioned. Without that, there would have been no point commenting about the equipment.

Forget the topic. I am only asking you to approach the forum with an open mind.

Imagine if you had come to this forum (or for that matter very many forums out there) with a wonderful impression of Bose as an audio company! The horror of it! Thats how it goes. Us being people will always have favourites. Like I said, if we keep it more focused on the objective part, we can do away with the subjective ones.

 

[maladjusted]

Well, ,lets hope so, maladjusted.

Regarding the setups you quoted, I had nothing to comment on because you had not mentioned what sort of setup you were looking for, what sort of music you listened to and what you found present/missing in those systems you mentioned. Without that, there would have been no point commenting about the equipment.

Forget the topic. I am only asking you to approach the forum with an open mind.

Imagine if you had come to this forum (or for that matter very many forums out there) with a wonderful impression of Bose as an audio company! The horror of it! Thats how it goes. Us being people will always have favourites. Like I said, if we keep it more focused on the objective part, we can do away with the subjective ones.

I suppose so vortex,were like a grumpy gang of politicians in one of the govt. houses expressing our views,I reckon its just human nature playing its part!I'll agree with you there the forum topic should be something we dont expect with our subjections,kinda like having loadsa money but not knowing what were going to buy??but ultimately realising it will be something good(not bose) with help from others!(so peace?)-john

 

[NMyTree]

NMyTree - so help answer the question then. Do you believe the C600 and C800 speakers offer the most bang for the buck at their price range? Because, that more than anything else determines polarization of opinion..

Yes.....Absolutely! I think they are an exceptional bargain for their price.

But I get the feeling that these Jamo speakers are more expensive in your part of the world, than they are here....in the USA. That probably is one of the reasons for the polarization of a few of the opinions, here.

But that doesn't explain or cover the people who simply talk a lot of trash about these speakers and have either little or no experience with them.

There's a distinction between someone offering an opinion based on personal preference/persoanl taste. And someone talking out of their asses and don't really know anything about these speakers.

Personal taste is one thing. Downright lying or talking trash, is another thing.

There's a big difference.

Several of you are quite eager to characterize myself (and maladjusted ) as being overly defensive. Which is truely inaccurate.

I have challenged people's opinions (on this forum and other forums) on the basis of the comments they make about these speakers, which they themselves try to represent as all encompassing, definitve criticisms.

These people speak in definitive absolutes when they describe the "flaws and weaknesses " they percieve with these Jamo speakers. But very few of them have little to any experience with these speakers. So tell me. How can someone have an opinion based on personal taste/preference, when they have no experience with these speakers? Or had only a very brief experience with an entirely different Jamo speaker model?

That's disingenuous.

Furthermore, since you guys have been talking subjectivity.

Why is it okay for someone to speak negatively in definitive terms, without they themselves renminding everyone that it's all subjective.

But when I present my counter-argument of postitives, all of the sudden you people need to remind everyone that it's all subjectivity?

Why is that?

 

[NMyTree]

Power is a major necessity for the 809s as thier sensitivity is quiet low

The Jamo C809 are an 89db Sensitivity (dB, 2.8V/1m).

That's not quite low. It's not very high, but it really is not low. itr's pretty good.

They are a 6 ohm Impedence and drop down to 4 ohm for demanding low bass frequencies. Still, that's not really too bad.

The Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand drop down to 2 ohm. Now, that's bad.


The C809 need quality current and power. That helps them to sing at their best.

Much depends on the size of the room they are in. Larger rooms will require more power. But I have driven the C809 with a 30 watt per channel Dynaco ST70 tube amp rebuild, in a medium-small room. Sounded pretty nice, but I played them at just moderate volume levels. Didn't need more volume in a room that size.

To get the best out of them, in a larger room or any room; you need a high quality power supply...that delivers quality current.

 

[maladjusted]

The Jamo C809 are an 89db Sensitivity (dB, 2.8V/1m).

That's not quite low. It's not very high, but it really is not low. It's okay.

They are a 6 ohm Impedence and drop down to 4 ohm for demanding low bass frequencies. Still, that's not really too bad.

The Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand drop down to 2 ohm. Now, that's bad.


The C809 need quality current and power. That helps them to sing at their best.

Much depends on the size of the room they are in. Larger rooms will require more power. But I have driven the C809 with a 30 watt per channel Dynaco ST70 tube amp rebuild, in a medium-small room. Sounded pretty nice, but I played them at just moderate volume levels. Didn't need more volume in a room that size.

To get the best out of them, in a larger room or any room; you need a high quality power supply...that delivers quality current.

I know what you mean,i was considering a c805hcs (as they seem to be fair value at mo). & c80 or bk sub,but i had a long hard look at my situation ie:current power of av amp,size of my room,acoustics etc.My dealer who also sells about 100 other brands knew i was fond of the c805 jamos.But he suggested i maybe come down a peg or two and consider the c607/605 hcs & sub650 due to my room size and equipment.So i am expecting to collect either c607/605 set with sub650 in next couple of days.I CANT WAIT:yahooS,B my dealer also told me if it comes to the 605s i'd be hard pressed to detect a big difference to 607s due to the sub in the set-up.But he did say the c607 vs c605 on 2 ch alone there would be a distinct difference.

 

[subhash]

The Jamo C809 are an 89db Sensitivity (dB, 2.8V/1m).

That's not quite low. It's not very high, but it really is not low. It's okay.

They are a 6 ohm Impedence and drop down to 4 ohm for demanding low bass frequencies. Still, that's not really too bad.

The Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand drop down to 2 ohm. Now, that's bad.


The C809 need quality current and power. That helps them to sing at their best.

Much depends on the size of the room they are in. Larger rooms will require more power. But I have driven the C809 with a 30 watt per channel Dynaco ST70 tube amp rebuild, in a medium-small room. Sounded pretty nice, but I played them at just moderate volume levels. Didn't need more volume in a room that size.

To get the best out of them, in a larger room or any room; you need a high quality power supply...that delivers quality current.

thats absolutely true with the 809s , my kind of listening levels are pretty high, i drive them to its extreme limits ,what i experienced with these are, the more u push them the better they perform . more the power fed even better is the performance ,the 150 watt powered hybrid vincent pre/power drives them extremely well,in my wish list shortly are the mono blocks by vincent ,the SP998s

 

[NMyTree]

Chill Buddy. No one is bullying around. Harass (Strong Word, Friend)?? The forum members are peace loving people . Calm down and continue with a healthy discussion.

You know what? This whole thing is getting silly, now.

This whole thread has one main theme running through it.....

1) The people (like reighofchoas and soundofmusic) who make negative, all encompassing stereotyping comments based on minimal hands-on experience with these speakers; continue to portray their statements as definitve truths.

2) The people who are making positive comments based on extensive hands-on experience with these speakers; are being dismissed as merely a byproduct of subjectivity.

Don't take my word for it. Go back to page one and start reading from the beginning of this thread. It's all right there.

Every time someone comes in and makes a postive comment or counter argument for these Jamo speakers, we have a new wave of people comng in to remind everyone that it's all subjective opinion.

But no one rushed in to dismiss reighnofchoas (and other's) negative comments, which portrayed all of Jamo's speaker series lines and models, in the same negative manner. No one came rushing in to deliver the "Subjectivity" alert to reighofchaos, did they?

And you guys are getting on maladjusted for getting a little annoyed, here?

Look at how this thread started.....


This guy is the guy who started the thread. Look at what his very post asks (21st May 2008, 06:23 AM ). Notice he doesn't have any opinions or experience, so he 's asking for input.

would like to know if anybody's had any experience with these speakers. the new conceret line up frm jamo, all made in PRC. would like to discuss this with fellow users. thnks

Second post......five days later: Yogi has some questions because he's not sure yet.....

I did audition C607 and am not sure if I should buy. Still sort of confused. I am happy with it's looks, excellent mid tones and the specs (except for its sensitivity - 89db)

-Keshav

Suddenly, only five days later, Auro, has some interesting opinions...only five days later.....

well im using a marantz PM7001 as amp and loudness is definitely no trouble. but it doesnt really get to the heart of recordings, know what i mean? bass is also very heavy. mids perhaps just ok defined. if u're predominantly a music listener i suggest you go for a good stereo amp rather than some multichannel nonsense.

Soundofmusic comes in with all of his wisdom and generously directs everyone to other brands. Other brands Soundofmusic sells.....

Auro

When you have amplifiers like the PM 7001 , get something which is better then the jamos. the older jamo's were good but not their latest versions.
Please do check the monitor audio , mission , Dali , Energy as these speakers dont need a lot of power and will be a good match for the Marantz.

regards

Reignofchaos with his brilliant stereotype of Jamo speakers, of course, allegedly based on a brief audition of the C607 and C803.......

I kinda agree with soundofmusic here... the newer jamos are mostly mass market speakers. Not that great.

Auro suddenly knows a lot....in seven whole days he's auditioned all of the Jamo speaker series and models ......

very true..and so i realise. also, i reckon they're priced way above their weight here in india. if i had to go mass market, mightaswell have gone for a sony/philips all in one for less than 15k instead!

Reignofchaos comes in to talk out of his ass some more..........

The older D series and the higher end of the E series (E7//E8) were nice musical speakers though not the last word in detail. The current ones are pretty crappy in just about everything. I have an older E855 but I'd not buy any of the newer ones.

Wow! Auro, who knew nothing about Jamo speakers just seven days prior to this. Seven days later knows everything and he's had One Year's Experience with these speakers?

yeh, they are nice to look at though. form over substance, my conclusion from a year's exp with the speakers.

Look at the way this thread started. It's absurd. Funny NOT one person came in to remind Reignofchaos of the "Subjectivity" factor.

And notice no one even wondered what the hell Auro was talking about.

 

[maladjusted]

thats absolutely true with the 809s , my kind of listening levels are pretty high, i drive them to its extreme limits ,what i experienced with these are, the more u push them the better they perform . more the power fed even better is the performance ,the 150 watt powered hybrid vincent pre/power drives them extremely well,in my wish list shortly are the mono blocks by vincent ,the SP998s

SORRY subhash/nmytree i didnt mean to cut in on your debate-

 

[NMyTree]

thats absolutely true with the 809s , my kind of listening levels are pretty high, i drive them to its extreme limits ,what i experienced with these are, the more u push them the better they perform . more the power fed even better is the performance ,the 150 watt powered hybrid vincent pre/power drives them extremely well,in my wish list shortly are the mono blocks by vincent ,the SP998s

Correct.

Try them with the McIntosh MC252 or the Van Alstine Fet Valve Ultra 550hyeah:hyeah:

Absolutely beautiful music!

 

[marsilians]

Sorry been away for a while on office related stuff and catching up, so my questions may be naive.

...
The Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grand drop down to 2 ohm. Now, that's bad.

why is this bad?

...

The C809 need quality current and power. That helps them to sing at their best.

So in essence you are confirming the fact that any brand of speakers will do well with sufficient power to sound better irrespective of it dips down to 4 or 2 or 1 ohm unless you are intending to drive these with AVRs. So what is the point you are trying to make then?

I wil not get into the pro/con of the Jamo's. thx

 

[maladjusted]

Sorry been away for a while on office related stuff and catching up, so my questions may be naive.



why is this bad?




So in essence you are confirming the fact that any brand of speakers will do well with sufficient power to sound better irrespective of it dips down to 4 or 2 or 1 ohm unless you are intending to drive these with AVRs. So what is the point you are trying to make then?

I wil not get into the pro/con of the Jamo's. thx

UH-OH,here we go again,you say you wont get drawn into pro/con of the jamos,but is'nt this a jamo thread?Actually there seems to be to many captains on this ship.....again NMYTREE seems to be trying to help then more scrutiny from the 20,000 post boys!

 

[NMyTree]

i have noted the points you have made - and i agree.

apart from all that -

this excerpt from the Rockport Technologies site-

"Because our composite cabinets are so stiff, massive , and non-resonant, they essentially function as an inertial reference
the result is a cabinet so inert it has no discernible contribution to the sound at any frequency and at any volume, and allows the drive elements to display the greatest possible dynamic characteristics"

it stands to reason that the way a particular line/make of loudspeakers is "voiced" is not the result of any particular intent of the designer - more to do with cost constraints.

The anat reference, the wilson alexandrias, the rockport altair - these are all spoken of as the best - what do they share in common? - their designers have paid inordinate attention to the construction of their respective inert cabinets.

hearsay, of course, but there is reason for belief that massive inert cabinets pave the way for a better (uncolored) sound.
.

Well, a lot of designers and manufactors say......a lot of things.

Even if the wilson alexandrias's cabinets are completely inert, they are still going to "bastard the sound" in other areas of the design. Same for Rockport Technologies.

Have you ever actually heard Wilson Audio speakers?

Wilson Alexandrias are 700 lbs for each cabinet and they sell for almost $150,000 a pair!! They ship the pair and the shipping weight is 2,300 lbs.

You know much it costs just to ship these speakers?

Are you kidding me? You can't use these speakers as an example. This is an over the top, lunatic fringe speaker.

Who can afford these things? Who has the practical space for such speakers?


Speakers of that weight would buckle just about 99% of our floors. Our floors would completely be destroyed. Most of us wouldn't be able to have those speakers in our houses, even if someone gave them to us for free.


As for Suri, I think we all know what Suri's game is. He's of no relevance.

 

[NMyTree]

Sorry been away for a while on office related stuff and catching up, so my questions may be naive.

hy is this bad?

So in essence you are confirming the fact that any brand of speakers will do well with sufficient power to sound better irrespective of it dips down to 4 or 2 or 1 ohm unless you are intending to drive these with AVRs. So what is the point you are trying to make then?

I wil not get into the pro/con of the Jamo's. thx

Did you read the whole thread?

When you quoted my post, did you read the post which I was responding to?

Give it a try, then maybe you'll understand the context of my post.

 

[NMyTree]

UH-OH,here we go again,you say you wont get drawn into pro/con of the jamos,but is'nt this a jamo thread?Actually there seems to be to many captains on this ship.....again NMYTREE seems to be trying to help then more scrutiny from the 20,000 post boys!

Yeah, that's weird. I mean, I've explained my points extensively and thoroughly through out this thread.

And this guy suddenly feels the need to jump in and ask me what my point is, in his first post of this thread?

Odd.

The answers to his "questions" are all over this thread.

I guess no one takes the time to read in chronological order, anymore. So they can actually have an idea of the way things developed and the sequence of discussion.