JBL 4343 coming soon to Mumbai
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Actually I focused a lot on JBL and so do we all given the title and the product being so dominating. What is also relevant is a that it is being driven by a Denon all in one which costs 15000 and a fun listening it was.
And the Denon is of the type still in production (though it may have changed in many ways).
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So sometimes wonder whether our equipment lust will ever die. Guess not! Hence....
Ending with a quote from Steely Dan (Prem please buy Aja and Gaucho)
“On the counter
By your keys
Was a book of numbers
And your remedies
One of these
Surely will screen out the sorrow
But where are you tomorrow“
And the Denon is of the type still in production (though it may have changed in many ways).
Denon D-M41DAB review
What Hi-Fi? Awards 2023 winner. Bluetooth capability makes this Denon even better than before
So sometimes wonder whether our equipment lust will ever die. Guess not! Hence....
Ending with a quote from Steely Dan (Prem please buy Aja and Gaucho)
“On the counter
By your keys
Was a book of numbers
And your remedies
One of these
Surely will screen out the sorrow
But where are you tomorrow“
Ok this update, and sorry to use this space for it, has nothing to do with Prem’s system but with the learning.
I am sure many who saw the chat googled for Denon. But how many moved their speakers a little, within the constraints of home/living space, to optimise the sound. I did!
There was one point where the sound locked in and I was moving to the music. Getting solid emotional connect as it were. I even took my usual random room treatment (throwing the cork mats on the floor) steps, but just got so happy with the music.
So please try it. You don’t need golden ears if you are really into music - your feet and body will give you the cues for best spot. Then to impress your audio buddies you can use phrases like “slight warmth over neutralish (which auto correct says is not even a proper word) sound” or “image gets locked in”etc and get your rocks off!
Many thanks Prem for taking the trouble. It is like James Brown screaming “have you seen the light” in that iconic scene in the film, The Blues Brothers
Ps. I am sure there are better spots for the speaker in my room, but this is good enough for now.
I am sure many who saw the chat googled for Denon. But how many moved their speakers a little, within the constraints of home/living space, to optimise the sound. I did!
There was one point where the sound locked in and I was moving to the music. Getting solid emotional connect as it were. I even took my usual random room treatment (throwing the cork mats on the floor) steps, but just got so happy with the music.
So please try it. You don’t need golden ears if you are really into music - your feet and body will give you the cues for best spot. Then to impress your audio buddies you can use phrases like “slight warmth over neutralish (which auto correct says is not even a proper word) sound” or “image gets locked in”etc and get your rocks off!
Many thanks Prem for taking the trouble. It is like James Brown screaming “have you seen the light” in that iconic scene in the film, The Blues Brothers
Ps. I am sure there are better spots for the speaker in my room, but this is good enough for now.
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i get what you are trying to convey and correct speaker placement is necessary ( by trial and error if necessary ) but thats true for all speakers.
Room treatment with a mix of absorbers and diffusers goes a long way too..
But if you sit in front of a large speaker at close distance - many of the above factors are taken out of the equation and one can enjoy music in a better way which is what is happening at prems room i suppose.
I guess many of us have experienced ( enjoyed ) - lock in... and nirvana etc... without being verbal about it..or the need for super large speakers in a medium / large room.
The other factor is Prems excellent source and his top notch vinyl collection - hardly anyone mentions that.
Simply buying something like a JBL 4343 without a great source might not get one anywhere.
The source is half the job done - the little Denon amp is OK grade for conventional speakers but seems to work well with Prems 93 dB speakers ( or maybe any sensitive speakers for that matter ) and then the large speakers, great source and a close listening position.. and there we have it - the ingredients for bliss.
I would love to try a small Naim amp and see the outcomes - just for kicks sake.
As long as one gets the seating position right - i guess your nirvana, and the readers nirvana and mine and Prems will be the same.
Or is there a higher nirvana ??
regards
Room treatment with a mix of absorbers and diffusers goes a long way too..
But if you sit in front of a large speaker at close distance - many of the above factors are taken out of the equation and one can enjoy music in a better way which is what is happening at prems room i suppose.
I guess many of us have experienced ( enjoyed ) - lock in... and nirvana etc... without being verbal about it..or the need for super large speakers in a medium / large room.
The other factor is Prems excellent source and his top notch vinyl collection - hardly anyone mentions that.
Simply buying something like a JBL 4343 without a great source might not get one anywhere.
The source is half the job done - the little Denon amp is OK grade for conventional speakers but seems to work well with Prems 93 dB speakers ( or maybe any sensitive speakers for that matter ) and then the large speakers, great source and a close listening position.. and there we have it - the ingredients for bliss.
I would love to try a small Naim amp and see the outcomes - just for kicks sake.
As long as one gets the seating position right - i guess your nirvana, and the readers nirvana and mine and Prems will be the same.
Or is there a higher nirvana ??
regards
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This is a wonderful opportunity to re-visit my last post in this thread.
Not for nothing they say - life is a circle...
The setup is very :-
dynamic - quick response to transients
revealing but not edgy - ears dont bleed
bass - very good - possibly the amp will open up some more - but even at this level an untrained ear will have nothing to complain about
doesnt discriminate between music
One can play Bollywood ( new or old ) and Stevie ray Vaughan or Simon Garfunkel ( what a revelation ) with the same verve - this shows a fantastic source..
The music is well integrated and as a whole - wonderful.
The closest 2nd in Prems setup ( which i have heard ) was the Rethm Saadhana V2 but even that gets surpassed by this by atleast 2-3 country miles ...
Mind you the Saadhana V2 is an amazing speaker in its own right.. ( Hats off )
Lata Mangeshkar on Shraddanjali was awesome !
I look at my post above and must re-iterate all the hard work that is put into the system to make it play at this level.
No pain. No gain - simple.
A small speaker cannot do this magic IMO
Yes - yesterday was nirvana - i had mine and another FM had a great time as well.
Listening to home setups is an eye opening experience and this was no different.
Beautiful..
regards
Not for nothing they say - life is a circle...
The setup is very :-
dynamic - quick response to transients
revealing but not edgy - ears dont bleed
bass - very good - possibly the amp will open up some more - but even at this level an untrained ear will have nothing to complain about
doesnt discriminate between music
One can play Bollywood ( new or old ) and Stevie ray Vaughan or Simon Garfunkel ( what a revelation ) with the same verve - this shows a fantastic source..
The music is well integrated and as a whole - wonderful.
The closest 2nd in Prems setup ( which i have heard ) was the Rethm Saadhana V2 but even that gets surpassed by this by atleast 2-3 country miles ...
Mind you the Saadhana V2 is an amazing speaker in its own right.. ( Hats off )
Lata Mangeshkar on Shraddanjali was awesome !
I look at my post above and must re-iterate all the hard work that is put into the system to make it play at this level.
No pain. No gain - simple.
A small speaker cannot do this magic IMO
Yes - yesterday was nirvana - i had mine and another FM had a great time as well.
Listening to home setups is an eye opening experience and this was no different.
Beautiful..
regards
Thanks Mahesh for a wonderful summary of the evening. It was great having you and Surrealistix over. We should do this more often
Also last week it was great hosting Nikhil and Souravin. And AVM, the week before. Thank you guys for coming over. Enjoyed the evening with you guys
Also last week it was great hosting Nikhil and Souravin. And AVM, the week before. Thank you guys for coming over. Enjoyed the evening with you guys
It is lovely having friends with different music systems.
When I go to Prem’s with his JBL and EMT turntable, one can really rock out. All amplified music sounds awesome. Speedy Gonsalvez for sure. Air guitar big time!
When I go to TSB’s (a reticent person but as with Prem’s, a fab host to friends), his VPI Classic, PBN phono, and Z-monitor speakers, unamplifed music takes a front seat. We listened to Mahler’s 4 th and was an immersive experience. We listened to the LP through and not “tracks”.
Both are passionate about the hobby and both listen to different kinds of music. And their systems reflects this.
Surrealistix’ music system is also grand. Now if he had a record player....
Me, I get high with a little help from my friends. Happy with mine, but this hobby is a bit of a disease!
When I go to Prem’s with his JBL and EMT turntable, one can really rock out. All amplified music sounds awesome. Speedy Gonsalvez for sure. Air guitar big time!
When I go to TSB’s (a reticent person but as with Prem’s, a fab host to friends), his VPI Classic, PBN phono, and Z-monitor speakers, unamplifed music takes a front seat. We listened to Mahler’s 4 th and was an immersive experience. We listened to the LP through and not “tracks”.
Both are passionate about the hobby and both listen to different kinds of music. And their systems reflects this.
Surrealistix’ music system is also grand. Now if he had a record player....
Me, I get high with a little help from my friends. Happy with mine, but this hobby is a bit of a disease!
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This is a wonderful opportunity to re-visit my last post in this thread.
Not for nothing they say - life is a circle...
The setup is very :-
dynamic - quick response to transients
revealing but not edgy - ears dont bleed
bass - very good - possibly the amp will open up some more - but even at this level an untrained ear will have nothing to complain about
doesnt discriminate between music
One can play Bollywood ( new or old ) and Stevie ray Vaughan or Simon Garfunkel ( what a revelation ) with the same verve - this shows a fantastic source..
The music is well integrated and as a whole - wonderful.
The closest 2nd in Prems setup ( which i have heard ) was the Rethm Saadhana V2 but even that gets surpassed by this by atleast 2-3 country miles ...
Mind you the Saadhana V2 is an amazing speaker in its own right.. ( Hats off )
Lata Mangeshkar on Shraddanjali was awesome !
I look at my post above and must re-iterate all the hard work that is put into the system to make it play at this level.
No pain. No gain - simple.
A small speaker cannot do this magic IMO
Yes - yesterday was nirvana - i had mine and another FM had a great time as well.
Listening to home setups is an eye opening experience and this was no different.
Beautiful..
regards
Thanks @mpw. Missed the evening and meeting you all. Since you heard Prem’s rig with the Denon earlier and now with the Quicksilver, could you contrast the two sounds more specifically? Like for example, what change to the sound signature did you notice with the added tube interface? With the new amp was the sound more refined/clearer than before? Especially when listening to fusion/hard rock? How well did you feel the QS matched with the JBLs in terms of power and sound? Of course Prem’s LP collection is stuff of legends and makes the biggest difference to the listening pleasure at his place, but I want to understand how the QS specifically contributes. Can you please elaborate on your experience further?
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Hi
I haven't heard with the Denon so i cant comment.
I also poor at analyzing music and describing it too but i guess i rely on spidey sense to discern.
But i am a sucker for good music and would have fallen for that as well i suppose..
thanks
Quicksilver and Denon are different sounding. Quicksilver is way more layered, with much better separation, and much more texture. Tonal density is also way way higher. It’s more refined and will appeal to most music lovers. Quicksilver, one can say, is a bonafide mid level amp.
Denon is entry level and is better to have a rocking night out. What you heard with the Denon was also not optimal because the Denon was just placed on the ground. I had not used any isolation for it. With the Quicksilver I have taken care of that
Denon is entry level and is better to have a rocking night out. What you heard with the Denon was also not optimal because the Denon was just placed on the ground. I had not used any isolation for it. With the Quicksilver I have taken care of that
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Oh, I am sorry. Your previous post dated 10 Nov in this thread led me to assume that.
Thanks Prem. Texture added to the dynamics of the JBL - that’d be something!
Lets not forget this is a 1970s design. Just goes to show how much we have advanced in 40 years and how marketing has taken over good product design over time. So is the turntable and phono stage. (added after Prem objected to them feeing depressed for being left out)
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So what's the recommended detox after listening to a setup like Prems ?
Some depressant - alcohol)
Some more music - At your own home
Some music shopping therapy
Some hardware changing therapy
Counting coins in the piggy bank
Brighten up and ask Prem when is he planning the next change ..maybe we can snag something ?
Vipassana
Any other
Take your pick and let us know..
Some depressant - alcohol
)Some more music - At your own home
Some music shopping therapy
Some hardware changing therapy
Counting coins in the piggy bank
Brighten up and ask Prem when is he planning the next change ..maybe we can snag something ?
Vipassana
Any other
Take your pick and let us know..
I generally do not listen to my system for 1 week after listening to prems systemSo what's the recommended detox after listening to a setup like Prems ?
Some depressant - alcohol
Some more music - At your own home
Some music shopping therapy
Some hardware changing therapy
Counting coins in the piggy bank
Brighten up and ask Prem when is he planning the next change ..maybe we can snag something ?
Vipassana
Any other
Take your pick and let us know..
. so option 1 works best . Have not really heard the JBLs but this has been true for all his setups I have heard in the past.From what I have seen after hearing prems system over the years, you will not get the same sound even if you get the same components since prem has the ability to setup his system to perfection and he does it all by ear with an ability to hear things which i find difficult to hear even after being told what to hear
I am going to take that upMpw, you missed out on the easiest one. Shift bed and baggage to Prem’s house
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