CAT 7 - Ethernet Cable - Revelation Audio Labs - USA -

[panditji]

Again, the points mentioned above are all subjective, based on perception and are relative....So it's the same everywhere....

Bhagwan, as regards the Patek Phillipe or similar brands, they basically tell time very accurately with some diamonds shining nicely but still cannot make me punctual or avoid traffic jams incase I am getting late....At those prices, I can hire an ISB graduate whose only job is to tell me the time 24 hours a day.....In fact at those prices, they should be adding a couple of years also to my life...

Again as I said, it is all relative....

 

[denom]

This is something I found which I think is very applicable to the context of this thread & of the OP:

I have a basic understanding of computer technology, but still choose to buy this product

I have a basic understanding of networking technology and still choose to buy this product

I am at least vaguely aware of the significance of network cable types, and what "catn" means, but still choose to buy this product

I understand that the seller is not obliged to provide anything that produces any result whatsoever, even in my imagination and that

The seller is simply providing me with an opportunity to exercise my right to spend my money according to my choice

Well, I can add more but this much should suffice. Yes, Bhagwan is doing this hard work only for his own 'Benefit', that much we all should realise & he is even posting the same again & again clearly mentioning this. But the very nature of this test which he is conducting is so hotly debated on, making it 'beneficial' directly or indirectly to all of us FM's
So, the doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani matter still remains, well cloudy :lol:

Ab tak haath mein result nahi aaya aur phir bhi public khareed ne ki baat kar rahi hai - what does that say??? :sad:

Well, am still in 'amusing myself mode'

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Sir,
O/T - Sorry [I apologies to myself]
P.P. [Patek.com] has 100 % right to charge what it does - 100 % logical - when we meet, I will make you understand why ?
I have not been to the new [relatively] Leela Coffee Shop - is it that EXP ? Rs. 1/- K for a coffee ? [maybe more - it in ND & Chanakyapuri]...

Sure! Recently I turned down a meet from another forum at a coffee shop where the prices were in Rs.hundreds, let alone thousands. On the other hand, if I go to posh hotel, I know that I have to pay "posh" prices. Actually, I enjoy posh hotels --- but I've also been known, when staying in one, to go and drink chai on the street, as much for the flavour as for the price!

Bhagwan, there is an underlying message in many of my posts about PCs. I can explain it again like this... The boundary between audiophile and audiophool is ill-defined and will continue to be a topic for controversy as long as there are people like us who like to talk and discuss hifi, but, if we liken it to the boundary between two countries, then PCs are not even on the same continent and, simply, do not allow of the same kind of thinking. There are down-to-earth factors such as quiet cooling and power supplies (electrical and physical), and, in the hifi context it is certainly valid to spend our thoughts, time (and cash: one of the most expensive things in my PC is the CPU cooler!) on these. What is not appropriate is to think if a networking flylead might "suit" a PC or not. A NIC is a NIC; a flylead is a flylead, and so on.

There are many who are much more hardline than I am on these things, who would readily extend that even further. As a pro engineer friend of mine once said to me, "Thank god the pro audio world is not like this."

I guess, fashion/ lifestyle works totally different. Its not the cost of leather or coffee beans or glass, they have a 'premium' attached to it. It is believed to add 'pride' for the customers using them.

In hifi world, audiophiles don't respect premium as much as quality and VFM. Just my opinion. They won't buy if they don't hear a difference. But yes, as long as there are buyers, we cannot go after sellers. Even if we 'prove' them to be unethical, some of their own customers will jump for their support since they believe in them.

I agree about the economics. I even agree about the hearing. I even agree that quality and value for money might be the concious aim, but I do not think that "audiophiles" take nearly enough account of the unconcious. We should try to know why we hear some things, and it is not at all necessarily because of pure sound. When professionals admit and study this, why not "audiophiles?" Why do they so often run to to rubbish such ideas, even when they are voiced by designers/engineers of the very equipment they value so highly? Why do people who may not even be engineers make, for instance, such a fuss about the composition of a cable when they won't even look at the composition of the mind?

Such ideas tend to be unpopular here. Perhaps it's unfair and wrong, but I'd say that this forum is more on the subjective than the objective side of the line. The paradox is that I only became interested in these things since I joined!

 

[grubyhalo]

...regards the Patek Phillipe or similar brands, they basically tell time very accurately with some diamonds shining nicely but still cannot make me punctual or avoid traffic jams incase I am getting late...

I could be totally wrong as I have never owned a Swiss watch in my life and am not sure if I want to, either. However, I have been a great fan of a lot of the mechanical classics, especially the skeletonized ones and the 'complications'. From my very limited understanding you essentially pay for the following:

1. Hand-made mechanical precision
2. Perpetual mechanism
3. Complications (Functions)
4. Swiss Labour costs

You either buy it if you appreciate any or all of the above or if you want to make a 'statement' wearing a 'Swiss watch'. That does not preclude a lot of precious metals and stones being added to certain models but there is a very good chance that a Patek with no gold or diamonds will end up way being expensive than one with all the bling. End of the day, a Rolex is NOT a Patek.

P.S: Apologies if this is terribly OT, I could not resist

 

[bhagwan]

This is something I found which I think is very applicable to the context of this thread
Yes, Bhagwan is doing this hard work only for his own 'Benefit', that much we all should realise & he is even posting the same again & again clearly mentioning this. But the very nature of this test which he is conducting is so hotly debated on, making it 'beneficial' directly or indirectly to all of us FM's

Red is 100 % Correct;

Purple is 100 % Incorrect;

I do not know of any FM that has a 2 computer J Play Mini 5.1 set up - so where will this Cat Cable be used to transmit ? Please do shed some light...
If you think that this CAT Cable will be used between a Router / Switch & a PC - that is not the case, it will be used to connect the 2 machines [Computer]
so that 1 plays the music & the other 'hibernates' in Ultra Mode - J Play Mini V5.1 - That is where the difference in the cable is to be tested.

 

[bhagwan]

a Rolex is NOT a Patek.
P.S: Apologies if this is terribly OT, I could not resist

Sir,
Super Statement;
No Apologies; I love it.
Thank God for this - Rolex / Patek.
L.U.Chopard [current favorite] / Blancpain / ALS [German] / V.C. etc.
I too am 'dreaming & drifting'
Let us get back to 'CAT Cables' !
hyeah:

 

[denom]

post #65

Would like to respond but am afraid that inspite of putting in effort of replying, the post may be delteted as have seen a couple of them go to their maker ASAP, even Mods are not spared

So either I keep quiet or I talk/meet you in person :lol:

 

[Soundstage]

Sirs,

In all the heat and excitement generated by the CAT cables, I have a simple question.

Do we also need specialised MOUSE cables for the PCs in question?

:

Cheers!

ps

Wireless Mice would be a strict no-no for us Audiophiles!

 

[bhagwan]

So either I keep quiet or I talk/meet you in person :lol:

Sir,
Please do make a point; kindly pen your thoughts.
So long as it is relevant & pertains to Audio & Cables / Audio Performance etc. You are most welcome to write - I will surely try and answer it as courteous as I know how / have been taught to do so by my peers;
With regards CAT Cables - the moot question is what I am using & where I am using it ?
Most people may not have understood my stance in full & hence all this misunderstanding.
If a CAT Cable is used between a Router & a Computer to transfer data - the audio performance does not come into play at all. It is pure TCPIP Protocol.

Kindly ask a question - if I can answer it - within the scope of knowledge that I possess - rest assured you will hear from me - I promise..

Thank You. Stay Well & Prosper !

 

[bhagwan]

Sirs,

In all the heat and excitement generated by the CAT cables, I have a simple question.

Do we also need specialised MOUSE cables for the PCs in question?

:

Cheers!

ps

Wireless Mice would be a strict no-no for us Audiophiles!

Respected Sir,
Yes, I do understand your apprehension & hence the satire;
I 100 % accept your stance.
However, kindly try to look at it from my point of view - at the cost of repeating myself - I shall pen a few words.
The CAT Cable is to be used to connect 2 Computers.
No Router.
I have a 2 Computer J Play Mini V5.1 set up @ home & while 1 machine plays - the other machine 'hibernates'
This CAT Cable is to be used between those 2 machines.
Therefore this test; to try and see if a CAT Cable has any effect on the sound from the machine.
Once I do the test, I will catalog it & and shall try and put the results on the table.
I am not so sure if any / many other FM's use this V5.1 from J Play - but at least we will know if CAT Cables affect the final sound or not;;

To get back to your Mice - No the Cable that connects the Mice to the USB Port will NOT Affect the final sound quality that the PC is to produce.

Wireless Mice would be a strict no-no for us Audiophiles!
http://www.hifivision.com/audio-vid...e-revelation-audio-labs-usa-7.html#post516521

BTW - my Video Server is controlled by a 'wireless' mouse - since it sits on the ceiling & rather difficult to reach it 'physically' i.e. So I use a wireless logitech mouse to start J River & XBMC on it.

 

[Soundstage]

Sir,

I am reading you loud and clear from the start of this thread and appreciate your passion.

My post was entirely in jest to lighten the atmosphere and in no way meant to belittle your efforts, and I am sorry you did not recognise it as such.

I do hope you are able to arrive at a satisfactory conclusion at the end of your experiment.

Cheers

Respected Sir,
Yes, I do understand your apprehension & hence the satire;
I 100 % accept your stance.
However, kindly try to look at it from my point of view - at the cost of repeating myself - I shall pen a few words.
The CAT Cable is to be used to connect 2 Computers.
No Router.
I have a 2 Computer J Play Mini V5.1 set up @ home & while 1 machine plays - the other machine 'hibernates'
This CAT Cable is to be used between those 2 machines.
Therefore this test; to try and see if a CAT Cable has any effect on the sound from the machine.
Once I do the test, I will catalog it & and shall try and put the results on the table.
I am not so sure if any / many other FM's use this V5.1 from J Play - but at least we will know if CAT Cables affect the final sound or not;;

To get back to your Mice - No the Cable that connects the Mice to the USB Port will NOT Affect the final sound quality that the PC is to produce.

 

[denom]

Sir,
Please do make a point; kindly pen your thoughts.
So long as it is relevant & pertains to Audio & Cables / Audio Performance etc. You are most welcome to write - I will surely try and answer it as courteous as I know how / have been taught to do so by my peers;
With regards CAT Cables - the moot question is what I am using & where I am using it ?
Most people may not have understood my stance in full & hence all this misunderstanding.
If a CAT Cable is used between a Router & a Computer to transfer data - the audio performance does not come into play at all. It is pure TCPIP Protocol.

Kindly ask a question - if I can answer it - within the scope of knowledge that I possess - rest assured you will hear from me - I promise..

Thank You. Stay Well & Prosper !

Bhagwanji,
Pls do not call me sir, I am younger than you & also in other terms(read that as financially)

I can pen my thoughts only after I actually 'hear'. When can I do so??? Only after it happens. Am sure it will be relevant to the topic, rest assured

Yes, no one is doubting your courteousness, after all your family background deserves the credit for that :clapping:

Rest assured, ALL are aware of the 'purpose' & implementation of the snakes.
So pls banish the thought of being mis-understood.
I have no questions as of now, because the proof of the pudding is well, you know the answer.

I too wish you the very best & do pass on the 'prosper' part as that is always needed!!!

 

[panditji]

Denom buddy, could'nt help but it seems you have something against Bhagwan looking at your posts...now we all know Mazher has a penchant for buying exotic hifi equipment but I hope you have nothing against that.....

Don't get personal buddy unless you've been wronged...I apologize if I misunderstood your posts but I could not resist...I hope I am wrong...

 

[denom]

Denom buddy, could'nt help but it seems you have something against Bhagwan looking at your posts...now we all know Mazher has a penchant for buying exotic hifi equipment but I hope you have nothing against that.....

Don't get personal buddy unless you've been wronged...I apologize if I misunderstood your posts but I could not resist...I hope I am wrong...

:lol:hyeah:

Sorry to put a spanner in the works panditji, but have nothing against my 'friend' bhagwan. You may ask him yourself via PM route if you do not believe me.

Also, have nothing against him buying whatever he does, why would I????

It may seem strange to you & others who think this way (as per your post) but then you all have not seen the 'light at the end of the tunnel'

For all you know bhagwan & I are partners in crime having a drink at the end of the day & laughing at your post hyeah:

 

[panditji]

If thats the case, then I stand corrected....Apologies but I meant no offence...

:lol:hyeah:

Sorry to put a spanner in the works panditji, but have nothing against my 'friend' bhagwan. You may ask him yourself via PM route if you do not believe me.

Also, have nothing against him buying whatever he does, why would I????

It may seem strange to you & others who think this way (as per your post) but then you all have not seen the 'light at the end of the tunnel'

For all you know bhagwan & I are partners in crime having a drink at the end of the day & laughing at your post hyeah:

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

The CAT Cable is to be used to connect 2 Computers.
No Router.

That doesn't make any difference.

Except... That I was once hauled over the coals by a network purist for having said something like, "These days you can actually use any cable to connect two PCs because most, if not all, of the PC NIC chips are self-sensing. "Oh No!" According to him: the right ethernet cable to connect two PCs is a crossover cable. So, if that guy was here, he'd simply say that you had paid a lot of money for the wrong cable :sad:

I, as a pure network pragamatist, say not to worry about that. but I guess that he was technically right.

 

[bhagwan]

:lol:hyeah:

For all you know bhagwan & I are partners in crime having a drink at the end of the day & laughing at your post hyeah:

Not me - Sir, I assure you;

I do not laugh @ any post - take my word on that...

All said, I do not have any axe to grind with any FM.
If things get 'difficult' I just walk away..:sad:

 

[keith_correa]

Now this thread is taking a weird direction/dimension. Please pass the popcorn.

 

[ranjeetrain]

could'nt help but it seems you have something against Bhagwan looking at your posts...now we all know Mazher has a penchant for buying exotic hifi equipment but I hope you have nothing against that.....

Don't get personal buddy unless you've been wronged...

I agree with that.

Making a point is fine. In my first post in this thread I clearly stated that any cable in existence today will far exceed the performance requirement of this setup. And that's why I feel there should be no noticeable improvement.

I also am against things costing ridiculous money (Denon also had a USD 500 Ethernet cable, and it became a butt of all sort of jokes worldwide). But in this thread "Bhagwan" is almost being attacked for this experiment he is doing "for his own benefit", "off his own money", "off his own time", and without "any commercial benefit". OP is merely sharing his experiment; he hasn't passed any judgement, nor is he endorsing anything.

Only valid reason for criticism can be if someone is trying to "sell snake oil". If someone believes in snake-oil, wants to buy snake oil, fully aware that it's snake oil, then be it. Who are people to mock someone for the choices they make in their personal life?

This can be misread, but it seems like people would criticize someone for even wearing a Rolex. I know the popular arguments that are given when Rolex is mentioned in the context of hifi. But everyone knows that the a Rolex makes it's owner pride. And may be that's where the satisfaction lies, that's what motivates someone to buy it. Every product is targeted at a specific set of consumers. At the end of the day, if the product makes it's buyers happy, then others shouldn't be overly critical about it.

It's an experiment. Let's let it be. With so much noise about the thread, even if there were to be any tiny winy bit of sonic difference, it won't be audible anymore :lol:

 

[Hiten]

I also am against things costing ridiculous moneyz

We are all in the same game, just different levels. Dealing with the same hell, just different devils. -anon.

In the beginning all we wanted was good sounding music.
Regards.