Is A CD Player Really Better Than A DVDP For Stereo Music?

[rijuc]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

if using a dvd player as an audio source, best if it has a stereo out rather 5.1 out... it is found in most of the older models... my pioneer 120k has it

 

[captrajesh]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

No, I meant what I said. The Oppo BD93 is a player par excellence, and Oppo has built special circuitry in it for audio.

In spite of that, the SQ was clearly discernable at the HFV meet.

 

[S.P.KRISHNA]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

Today I auditioned the Marantz 6003 used Cd player and brand new Sony DVD player, SR 700HP, which has 192 Khz/24bit Audio DAC on marantz Int.Amp.Speakers were Wharfedale 10.6 & Dali towers and I do not remember the model No. The CD player had beaten the DVD player in all deparatments. Whoever have doubts about the performance of DVD player over CD player, including myself, should shed them. Never a DVD player matches a CD player in audio reproduction.

Regards

 

[avidyarthy]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

Ok, accepted.
Now, need to look around for a Marantz 6003. I have a good collection of MP3 discs as well. Hope the 6003 does not create much fuss with those.

 

[iaudio]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

^No issues with Mp3 discs as yet. Ofcourse, I dont play too many of them, but whenever I have, its played smoothly.

SPKrishna, tried the same thing with a Pioneer dv610 and marantz cd6003 and found the latter far better.

 

[no1lives4ever]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

Today I auditioned the Marantz 6003 used Cd player and brand new Sony DVD player, SR 700HP, which has 192 Khz/24bit Audio DAC on marantz Int.Amp.Speakers were Wharfedale 10.6 & Dali towers and I do not remember the model No. The CD player had beaten the DVD player in all deparatments. Whoever have doubts about the performance of DVD player over CD player, including myself, should shed them. Never a DVD player matches a CD player in audio reproduction.

Regards

The 24/196 Audio DAC on the sony means that the Sony DVD player supports that high a bit rate. But then it need not be the best for playing 16 bit 44.1khz audio streams from CDs.

Now here in your audition, you are comparing a Marantz CD6003, which is a dedicated Audio CD player which has a price of 299, with the Sony DVP SR700HP that has a MRP of Rs.4,290/-

The price difference between the 2 is quite significant to me. And the Sony player definitely does not seem to be one designed for audiophile uses. If I were to use this DVD player for playing Audio CDs, I would definitely use an external DAC. It could be either a dedicated DAC for audio use, an AVR or a AV Processor.

In general, if you are planning to use the RCA audio outputs of a DVD or a BluRay player to play Audio CDs, then look at a model which has analog output circuits designed for audiophile uses. Mostly these are quite a bit more expensive than versions which are designed for use with a AVR or an AV Processor. e.g. Oppo's BDP-95 is the audiophile version of the BDP-93. The BDP-95 has a different design and audio output components to obtain audiophile grade sound outputs from its analog audio outputs. The BDP-95 costs $999, which is roughly double the BDP-93's $499 price.

-- no1lives4ever

 

[prankey]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

I personally prefer AVR's DAC to ACD/DVD player's DAC for a simple reason - avoiding additional CONTAMINATION of Analog audio through the player, losses during preamplication on the player and when that Analog audio is passed through different quality cable to the AVR/Amp. This CERTAINLY would not want that additional analog layer when the digital audio can be passed with mathematical accuracy to the AVR's DAC.

Key is to ensure that the player do not convert 44.1kHz to something like 48kHz, 96kHz or 192kHz which will add harmonic distortion to the digital audio even when you use external DAC. 44.1kHz when upscaled to 88.2kHz or 176.4kHz could be fine (depending on upscaling algorithm) as they are integer multiples of 44.1kHz sample rate of ACDs and typical mp3's.

High end players like Oppo should have better quality sample rate scalers (like near lossless conversion from 44.1kHz to 48kHz or higher) and audiophile grade analog circuits. These features may not be needed if you transfer digital audio to your AVR and if the AVR has a decent DAC.

Gist - You could practically get an audiophile grade setup when transferring digital audio through any cheap ACD/DVD/BR player by considering the above.

 

[sups]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

A noob question. My Oppo 981 universal player is much lighter than a entry level CD player like Marantz 5001. Is the weight difference just because of the build quality, or there is something else to it in terms of electronics?

 

[askii2]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

A toroidal transfermer is heavier than a laminated steel core transformer for the same power. I am sure the Marantz has a toroidal transformer.

CD chassis foundation could make a difference. Steardier chassis will be heavier.

Electronic ICs, resistors, capacitors are quite light, so they shouldn't make a difference.

 

[dillihifi]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

I think the entry level models of Marantz CDP use EI transformers and not the toroidal one. It maybe due to the chassis using a heavier gauge metal. Further, I have found the Oppo's are heavier than the standard DVD players available in the market.

 

[ravi_d]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

A toroidal transfermer is heavier than a laminated steel core transformer for the same power. I am sure the Marantz has a toroidal transformer.

I think the entry level models of Marantz CDP use EI transformers and not the toroidal one.

Yes, except KI Pearl Lite and above all marantz cd players have EI transformers. The PM500X series and PM700X series marantz amps have EI transformers.

 

[manojrc]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

I have had an opportunity to own some of the fantastic CD players

1) Shanling CD T 1000
2) AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 with upsampler
3) Rega Appolo

I compared all these CD players against my $30 Cyberhome DVD player & guess what, I still use my cyberhome DVD player for stereo music !!

Regards,
Manoj

 

[KDM]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

Today I auditioned the Marantz 6003 used Cd player and brand new Sony DVD player, SR 700HP, which has 192 Khz/24bit Audio DAC on marantz Int.Amp.Speakers were Wharfedale 10.6 & Dali towers and I do not remember the model No. The CD player had beaten the DVD player in all deparatments. Whoever have doubts about the performance of DVD player over CD player, including myself, should shed them. Never a DVD player matches a CD player in audio reproduction.

Regards

That's why I do not use my Sony DVD player for dedicated CD listening and now use Yamaha's CDX-496 for Audio CDs

 

[sud98]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

I have had an opportunity to own some of the fantastic CD players

1) Shanling CD T 1000
2) AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 with upsampler
3) Rega Appolo

I compared all these CD players against my $30 Cyberhome DVD player & guess what, I still use my cyberhome DVD player for stereo music !!

Regards,
Manoj

Thats a big statement, but I suppose what makes one happy is whats important.

 

[shershah]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

Thats a big statement, but I suppose what makes one happy is whats important.

could be that the loudspeakers were the weak link in the chain -

i have had occasion to connect marantz sa-15s1 to creative desktop speakers (2.1) - soon thereafter the source was changed to denon dvdp- there was no difference at all - the creative speakers made the same noise with both sources.

i suppose that if the amplification and the loudspeakers are top notch then different sources will make different sounds

with serious regards

 

[square_wave]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

I have had an opportunity to own some of the fantastic CD players

1) Shanling CD T 1000
2) AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 with upsampler
3) Rega Appolo

I compared all these CD players against my $30 Cyberhome DVD player & guess what, I still use my cyberhome DVD player for stereo music !!

Regards,
Manoj

Hey Manoje,

What is the rest of your system in which this test was done ? It would also be nice if you can shed some light on the music used for this test and your conclusions about the test.

Do you have all these cd players with you currently or have you downgraded to the dvd player ?

If what you say is true, since you are in Bangalore, we would love to borrow this wonder machine and do a comparison against some well regarded players. Heck, we can all save some money !

 

[magma]

hmm manoj
do you use a dac and use the cdp or dvdp for digital out only?

 

[iaudio]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

+1 to that! If not there would be a lot of takers for your cdp's lying idle.

 

[captrajesh]

we would love to borrow this wonder machine and do a comparison against some well regarded players. Heck, we can all save some money !

Great idea

 

[S.P.KRISHNA]

Re: ? Is CD Player really make difference over DVD Player for Stereo Listening?? nvas

I have had an opportunity to own some of the fantastic CD players

1) Shanling CD T 1000
2) AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 with upsampler
3) Rega Appolo

I compared all these CD players against my $30 Cyberhome DVD player & guess what, I still use my cyberhome DVD player for stereo music !!

Regards,
Manoj

I do not oppose your views or listening taste .To check the difference for myself, for the past one month, I am carrying with me my brand new sony DVD player which has Audio DAC 192 Khz / 24 bit to various high end Audio / video showrooms and comparing its performance with various CD players on Various Amplifiers, both AVR & Integrated , and Speakers both bookshelves and Towers and I trust my ears in judgement. My DVD could not match to any of these CD Players. I feel the DVD player misses in clarity a good number of musical notes particulary in mid & high frequency. It mess them up. Over all the DVD player performs 70% to that of a CD Player and with an external DAC its performance is 90%.

Regards