HSU VTF 2 Mk3 or SVS PC12-NSD

[jitubisht]

Hey,

What would you choose if you had:
1. 20*14 ft dedicated room
2. Dali Ikon 6, Dali Ikon 1 and Dali Vokal 2
3. Denon 3310 CI

The woofer would be used for movies only, have got a seperate setup for music for which on ikon 6 will be used.

Thanks in advance

 

[vinredd]

Can you please tell the quoted price for SVS PC12-NSD?

 

[jitubisht]

Hello,

Its around 60K INR.

 

[audiodelic]

SVS cylindrical subs are well regarded, its a design advantage..... i think it would be better than the hsu. Wait for others to confirm this though.

 

[sidvee]

My opinion for movies - SVS is better, though for music only applications I would prefer HSU. To my ears it appears HSU blends better with main speakers for music whereas for movies SVS seems to have more slam. Just my opinion - no flames please. I have the SVS Pc12+ and used to have HSU.
Cheers
Sid

 

[audiodelic]

Since sidvee is heard both its a realistic opinion from a guy who knows his audio. Might as well go for the hsu to have best of both worlds.

 

[sidvee]

Since sidvee is heard both its a realistic opinion from a guy who knows his audio. Might as well go for the hsu to have best of both worlds.

Yes I'd have to agree with audiodelic, this approach makes sense.
Cheers
Sid

 

[doors666]

my 2 cents -
havent heard either one of them, but when i was planning to go for a sub, after all my research, I had decided to for a svs pc-12 nsd and I was comparing it to VTF3 MK3, not vtf2mk3.

BTW, PC12 NSD (the new one with dsp) has 400w of power, the vtf2 has only 250w of power.

In the end, I decided to make my own sub though:lol:

 

[frankmehta]

Guys, this is EXACTLY the dilemma I was in, when it came to choosing the 'ideal' subwoofer for my system.
It all boiled down to HOW much bass you want while watching movies. My VTF 2 MK3 is turned down almost to 1/3rd of it's capacity for it not to shake up the entire house, the window panes and the people around it. And mind you, it's not a small room. 300+ square feet is the size. It's power while watching movies might be surpassed by the 400w amp inside the SVS, but the question is, WHERE are you going to use the sub at insane levels like those?
Also, I was going to go in for bookshelves first, but people say it's very difficult to match a speaker with a subwoofer and have them perform in tandem. I am 10% close to getting that 'almost' perfect sounding amalgamation with my HSU subwoofer with my Dali Ikon 6 floorstanders, though I keep the subwoofer off most of the time while listening to music since the bass from the Dalis is enough, and SWEET. The sub adds a couple of DB to the midbass and the 'low' lows which is needed when I want to listen to some house music. But yes, the Dalis perform very well alone.
I have read on a lot of forums that HSU subs are musical. Expected a lot from this sub. And it has delivered very well. Haven't yet reached crazy SPL levels on this baby since the subwoofer is placed on a smooth polished floor and the spikes are not getting enough grip to dig into, which is causing the sub to SHIFT madly (almost like it's got wheels, LOL) at high volume levels.
Will be getting a carpet to place the subwoofer soon. I expect the performance to go up by a large margin once the spikes are dug into a thick carpet and the 'slapping' sound alongwith free movement of the subwoofer will go away.

 

[doors666]

Guys, this is EXACTLY the dilemma I was in, when it came to choosing the 'ideal' subwoofer for my system.
It all boiled down to HOW much bass you want while watching movies. My VTF 2 MK3 is turned down almost to 1/3rd of it's capacity for it not to shake up the entire house, the window panes and the people around it. And mind you, it's not a small room. 300+ square feet is the size. It's power while watching movies might be surpassed by the 400w amp inside the SVS, but the question is, WHERE are you going to use the sub at insane levels like those?
Also, I was going to go in for bookshelves first, but people say it's very difficult to match a speaker with a subwoofer and have them perform in tandem. I am 10% close to getting that 'almost' perfect sounding amalgamation with my HSU subwoofer with my Dali Ikon 6 floorstanders, though I keep the subwoofer off most of the time while listening to music since the bass from the Dalis is enough, and SWEET. The sub adds a couple of DB to the midbass and the 'low' lows which is needed when I want to listen to some house music. But yes, the Dalis perform very well alone.
I have read on a lot of forums that HSU subs are musical. Expected a lot from this sub. And it has delivered very well. Haven't yet reached crazy SPL levels on this baby since the subwoofer is placed on a smooth polished floor and the spikes are not getting enough grip to dig into, which is causing the sub to SHIFT madly (almost like it's got wheels, LOL) at high volume levels.
Will be getting a carpet to place the subwoofer soon. I expect the performance to go up by a large margin once the spikes are dug into a thick carpet and the 'slapping' sound alongwith free movement of the subwoofer will go away.

for the sub, the area doesnt matter, the volume of the room does. assuming about 10 ft of ceiling, thats about 3000 cuft of room, which is medium size. mine has a open kitchen and dining attached and the volume goes to more than 6000 cuft and you need the wattage in that case. the sub needs to move a lot of air for the same sound effect.

anyway, dont run the sub at very high volumes as the headroom shrinks. most of these small subs have boost in the amp for lower frequencies, causing the headroom to shrink even further.

vtf2 is 250 watts, assuming you dont go more than 12 o'clock, thats 125w at 4 ohms. thats not too much by any standard. almost equivalent to 60-65w at 8 ohms. now some of my fundas might not be fully correct, but i think ballpark its the same.

till you get a carpet, you can probably use one or two door mats or a folded durree or a blanket.

 

[jitubisht]

Thanks guys. Appreciate all the suggestions!
Well, I had my eyes on HSU for a long time.. but Audire is expecting an SVS shipment too this month and its tempting.. those cylinders look gorgeous! I am in love with it. But purely on performance.. (from what I have read online too) there is not much to decide between these two when it comes to sonic performance. I am likely to go for SVS.. unless some other (revealing) suggestion comes along.. looks wise, i am sold on SVS, its the performance where I need suggestions since (sadly) neither can be auditioned

 

[marsilians]

Hey,

What would you choose if you had:
1. 20*14 ft dedicated room
2. Dali Ikon 6, Dali Ikon 1 and Dali Vokal 2
3. Denon 3310 CI

The woofer would be used for movies only, have got a seperate setup for music for which on ikon 6 will be used.

Thanks in advance

Biggest advantage of cylindrical subs is placement. You can place it anywhere you want unlike cube designs. YOu could also lay it down if you wished.

However, the look of the sub is ugly. If you can hide it behind a sofa or something, you shoudl be good to go.

At the time, I bought a PB12-NSD, I heard the cylindrical subs. I have since sold them to save money on a new sub.

 

[jitubisht]

Thanks mate

At the time, I bought a PB12-NSD, I heard the cylindrical subs. I have since sold them to save money on a new sub.

A little confused, do you mean you owned PB12-NSD after hearing the cylindrical subs? and that you found pb12 to be better than the pc12?

If we keep the loooks and the ease of placement aside, would you say there is anything to lose sonically?

 

[vinredd]

Hi Jitubisht,

If you are considering 60k sub then VTF3 MK3 will be more comparable to this SVS, and I am in same quandary. If more slam means high SPL then the question is can we sacrifice some slam over fast response needed for music? anyway good luck with your search, and let us know how it goes.

 

[doors666]

Hi Jitubisht,

If you are considering 60k sub then VTF3 MK3 will be more comparable to this SVS, and I am in same quandary. If more slam means high SPL then the question is can we sacrifice some slam over fast response needed for music? anyway good luck with your search, and let us know how it goes.

plug the port with foam. it becomes sealed. less spl, faster response.

 

[square_wave]

This is the one to get

Rythmik Audio • 15" servo subwoofer F15

 

[doors666]

This is the one to get

Rythmik Audio • 15" servo subwoofer F15

if you can do diy, the same driver and amp are available from them. design is also there on the site. the sub due to the cabinet is also very expensive to ship. so save yourself a bucket load of cash by just getting the parts and getting a carpenter to make the box.

 

[square_wave]

if you can do diy, the same driver and amp are available from them. design is also there on the site. the sub due to the cabinet is also very expensive to ship. so save yourself a bucket load of cash by just getting the parts and getting a carpenter to make the box.

I agree. A sub is the easiest to DIY.

 

[vinredd]

plug the port with foam. it becomes sealed. less spl, faster response.

hey, I may be wrong, can you please elaborate. I did not get you, if you were being sarcastic then the joke is on you .

 

[doors666]

hey, I may be wrong, can you please elaborate. I did not get you, if you were being sarcastic then the joke is on you .

no dude, I am not being sarcastic. this is a known fact. many manufacturers even provide you with foam for this purpose. search on google. You are basically closing the port and the sub acts like a sealed sub. check out the pros and cons of sealed subs over ported subs on the net. you can find threads on hifivision also regarding this.